Solution to the slums problem

[jupiter2007]

another thing i found is that on the top of these dome is a small glass dome, it provides all the natural light during the day time which will reduce the need to turn on the lights saving on electricity.



Agreed,

It’s more of a off the grid living. These dome house can be build by using foam cement type material or can be prefabricate panels with sun window and solar panels.

 

[Darth Vader]

Better solution build newer cities further away from main hubs
It will provide cheap and long term Labour to Gov
So gov can pay these people and cut some of the money from the pay 1 stone 2 birds
Pakistan needs major shift majority of people are stuck top much and Main hubs are becoming really congested

 

[Imad.Khan]

I would to hear the views of people with background in civil engineering or architects. Any of them on this forum?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I would to hear the views of people with background in civil engineering or architects. Any of them on this forum?

I think we don't have to re-invent the wheel. The issue here is mass public housing. The most effective method is using concrete [inputs are easily available in Pakistan] to build medium rise apartment blocks. This is what all countries, North America, Western Europe, Communist block, China etc have used to good effect.

The government can allot land, draw the plans, then contract out the construction. As the project should aim for millions of units it would bring in economies of scale. All inputs including labour are available in Pakistan. Pre-fabs can be built fast and assembled on site. This way, row after row can be laid on a grid pattern with adequate space given for roads.

 

[Imad.Khan]

I think we don't have to re-invent the wheel. The issue here is mass public housing. The most effective method is using concrete [inputs are easily available in Pakistan] to build medium rise apartment blocks. This is what all countries, North America, Western Europe, Communist block, China etc have used to good effect.

The government can allot land, draw the plans, then contract out the construction. As the project should aim for millions of units it would bring in economies of scale. All inputs including labour are available in Pakistan. Pre-fabs can be built fast and assembled on site. This way, row after row can be laid on a grid pattern with adequate space given for roads.

Karachi is already full of these and overtime they get really crowded and again end up being an eyesore, but you are right this might be the easiest solution to provide cheap housing to a large population quickly.

Recently i watched an old Indian movie Nayak, and it has a scene where Anil Kapoor is the CM and he goes to one of those Katchi Abadis and asked that why these people are still here when they were allotted apartments by the govt. He was told that these people rent them out instead of living in them. I am wondering if that will happen in Pakistan as well.

Also i can't find much info about the PM's affordable housing scheme. Does anyone know what is the target population of that scheme?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Karachi is already full of these and overtime they get really crowded and again end up being an eyesore, but you are right this might be the easiest solution to provide cheap housing to a large population quickly.

Imad, you got to understand no solution is a magic. No place on earth and I include UK which has a strong public housing sector as all district councils are required to house people who can't afford housing on the private sector could cope with what happened to Karachi. If you let in 10 million people in from India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Myanmar no council in UK including London could handle it. They could try building 100 storey Burj Khalifas and even that would not solve the problem. Because as soon as you house 1 million another 1 million migrate in. It's like trying to fill a leaking pot. You can't. You pour more in, more leaks out. So using Karachi as a example is wrong. That city has big, big problems and housing is just one of them but they all link in with each other.

He was told that these people rent them out instead of living in them. I am wondering if that will happen in Pakistan as well.

That depends. It's all a question of supply/demand. If the supply of housing is sufficient demand will be supressed to the point where it would not be rewarding to rent it out versus the risk of being caught. But if the supply is limited and your flat is like gold dust then sure you migt be tempted to do it.

In our part of the world the best example is just across the border in places like Tajikistan, Uzbekistan. The Soviets launched huge public housing projects and if you look at cities like Dushanbe which is only 200 odd miles from Peshawar you can see the differances. These blocks used cheap pre-fabs mass produced and then assemble them on site. Prefab is the way out.

Then illegal migration control. Family planning. Problem sorted. But easier said then done.

 

[Imran Khan]

kick them out and demolish slum area simple

 

[jupiter2007]

It’s important to build satellite cities close to major metropolitan area. For example building a satellite city close to Karachi, Lahore, Faisalabad with good transportation system in between so workers can travel back and forth.

 

[Clutch]

Need a bras to cover those things...

 

[Imad.Khan]

kick them out and demolish slum area simple

Kick them out to where? they will just start new slums somewhere else. These are poor people, our people. We need to find a permanent solution.

 

[Imran Khan]

Kick them out to where? they will just start new slums somewhere else. These are poor people, our people. We need to find a permanent solution.

out of city . gov already made them homes but they did not move please search it sir . they said its far away .

 

[CriticalThought]

Without education, they will soon turn into a slum. But completely flabbergasts me is that OP is based on a whimsical notion of improving the optics. A continuation of superficial concept of progress that is found on this forum, it is a reflection of shallow thinking and propensity for turnkey solutions to problems that have accumulated for seventy years.

 

[PakSword]

So i came across this article from The Nation.

https://nation.com.pk/18-Aug-2016/the-regularization-of-katchi-abaadis-pakistan-s-need-of-the-hour

Couple the above article with the governments anti-encroachment drive, i started thinking what would be a good solution. What can be done, so that the people have a place to live and the area doesn't look like a eyesore either. Something that would be cheap, easy to build & maintain and hopefully environmentally friendly. Searching the web and i came across multiple solutions, from using recycled plastic bricks to using homes made of MDF. But then i came across a video and thought this might be the perfect solution.

Imagine if these

Looked like these

These are Expanded polystyrene dome houses, a Japanese innovation. They are cheap and quick to build and are also environmentally friendly.

http://www.i-domehouse.com/index.html

So the solution would be to allocate land for all the katchi abbadis, build the infrastructure like roads, sanitation and underground utilities (electric, gas, etc) and then build these dome houses and then allocate one to each family. After this ban the creation of all katchi abadis and encroachments.

What do you guys think? if you have an alternate solution please share.

@The Accountant @PakSword @Indus Pakistan @Proudpakistaniguy @Zarvan @Zibago @Verve @Imran Khan @Horus @Dubious @koolio @BHarwana @war&peace

This is an excellent idea. However, in Pakistan, we need to provide them with education first. We need to teach our children about ethics, cleanliness, environment and hygiene from the early years. There should be dedicated subjects in schools on these topics.

If government provides these houses now, in just one year (and maybe I am giving too much allowance), we will see these houses ruined as well, with paan stains on the houses, no greenery, garbage everywhere, etc etc..

The houses they have built for themselves in kachchi abadis are not cheap as well. So we shouldn't think that they are really very poor. A small structure anywhere needs money in five figures.. and they had this money to begin with. Plus, I have seen some houses from inside, they have all the appliances in their homes.. such as chinese LCDs, deep freezers etc..

They can finance their own new houses, however, to teach them how to maintain the area is the most important first step.. What do you think?

 

[Imad.Khan]

out of city . gov already made them homes but they did not move please search it sir . they said its far away .

I wasn't aware of that, can you tell which city was this done?

This is an excellent idea. However, in Pakistan, we need to provide them with education first. We need to teach our children about ethics, cleanliness, environment and hygiene from the early years. There should be dedicated subjects in schools on these topics.

If government provides these houses now, in just one year (and maybe I am giving too much allowance), we will see these houses ruined as well, with paan stains on the houses, no greenery, garbage everywhere, etc etc..

The houses they have built for themselves in kachchi abadis are not cheap as well. So we shouldn't think that they are really very poor. A small structure anywhere needs money in five figures.. and they had this money to begin with. Plus, I have seen some houses from inside, they have all the appliances in their homes.. such as chinese LCDs, deep freezers etc..

They can finance their own new houses, however, to teach them how to maintain the area is the most important first step.. What do you think?

I agree education is essential and the subjects you mentioned should be mandatory at an early stage. On saying that there is another reason that we see rubbish everywhere and thats because we also lack basic waste management systems but that is a topic i will leave for another day.

 

[CriticalThought]

This is an excellent idea. However, in Pakistan, we need to provide them with education first. We need to teach our children about ethics, cleanliness, environment and hygiene from the early years. There should be dedicated subjects in schools on these topics.

If government provides these houses now, in just one year (and maybe I am giving too much allowance), we will see these houses ruined as well, with paan stains on the houses, no greenery, garbage everywhere, etc etc..

The houses they have built for themselves in kachchi abadis are not cheap as well. So we shouldn't think that they are really very poor. A small structure anywhere needs money in five figures.. and they had this money to begin with. Plus, I have seen some houses from inside, they have all the appliances in their homes.. such as chinese LCDs, deep freezers etc..

They can finance their own new houses, however, to teach them how to maintain the area is the most important first step.. What do you think?

I have seen the rot in multiple building projects how cleanliness deteriorates over time. Building committees are headed by people with connections. Most of the collected funds are used for buying water tankers. The concept of enforcing cleanliness is alien and would incite animosity from people.