So who still thinks Israel is the root of Middle East problems?

[Juice]

Temporarily reclaim??????? Saladin's victory and defeat of the crusaders meant another 700 years or so of muslim rule..

Over the last millenium and half the muslims have ruled the holy land for over a thousand years




The same question, if it took over 100 years to take back Jerusalem against the crusaders, why should we give up against israel after 64

When we form almost a quater of its population
Surround it on all fronts
Increasing world muslim population
The eventual rise of the muslim world in the future


Why give up against a colonial occupation

I agree....why should the original holders of the land give in to Muslim colonialism? We have long memories too. (and weapons, Industrialism, strategy, smarts, etc.)

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Then why cry now? Go and take it. But no - you will keep w**king off here.

Temporarily reclaim??????? Saladin's victory and defeat of the crusaders meant another 700 years or so of muslim rule..

Over the last millenium and half the muslims have ruled the holy land for over a thousand years




The same question, if it took over 100 years to take back Jerusalem against the crusaders, why should we give up against israel after 64

When we form almost a quater of its population
Surround it on all fronts
Increasing world muslim population
The eventual rise of the muslim world in the future


Why give up against a colonial occupation

 

[The SiLent crY]

This post is dangerous. Seriously.

Apart from what the Europeans and Americans have done in the last 2 centuries , Just look at your country's history , It will give you the answer .

 

[freshmint]

Uneducation and lack of foresight has the Muslim population in a retarded state. That would be the root cause of all the problems the world over.

Fully agreed. Lack of foresight and uneducation.

If the Arabs are not even willing to concede such a hopelessly tiny piece of land to Jews which now forms Israel, then why should the outside world accept Arab sovereignty over such a vast piece of land which now runs from Iran to North Africa???

The Arabs should be confined to a million square kilometers around their holiest cities of Mecca and Medina and the rest of Middle East land should be handed over to Jews, Christians, atheists, etc. as it rightly belonged to them before the rise of Arab brand of noninclusive religion.

Even Arab suzerainty over a million square kilometers with so much oil under it would ensure their rapid growth and progress because now the Arabs are separated by a long distance from each other over such a vast piece of land but a much limited space WILL ENCOURAGE INTER-TRIBE TRAVEL and hence in turn encourage ACCEPTANCE OF OTHER TRIBES AND EVENTUAL ACCEPTANCE OF OTHER CULTURES AND BELIEFS.

 

[Azizam]

god u r so polite!!
im not blind , i dont consider murderers as muslims....
i dont consider aq,taliban, and takfiris muslims....
is that so hard to absorb??

oh but unfortunately they don't consider you (shias) as Muslims. messed up situation hahahaha

 

[Oldman1]

Apart from what the Europeans and Americans have done in the last 2 centuries , Just look at your country's history , It will give you the answer .

You want another Hitler to create another Israel in the ME to spite the Iranians?

 

[hussain0216]

I agree....why should the original holders of the land give in to Muslim colonialism? We have long memories too. (and weapons, Industrialism, strategy, smarts, etc.)

Original holders???????? thats the problem mate... Netanyahu, ariel sharon these people are not middle eastern. its a disgrace to call these people middle eastern..... Just like I am not a european even being born in Europe.


The Palestinians did nothing to these jews, that all these white jews after being slaughtered by white europeans should treat the Palestinians with such cruelty

It is a colonial state and its inhabitants are not dead and not gone, they want their homes back

 

[Wright]

There is no such thing,,, Islam is a way of life, a code of existence, you cant change the will of God.. This is why islam will always be true, and why other ideologies are fake because men keep changing them

Strength comes and goes to socieites.

No society remains powerfull forever you go through low and high points


The Muslim world is going through massive change and that brings chaos with old orders trying to keep power against the change, eg assad and Egyptian military

No but ones which are adaptable end up better off. Case in point: China, Korea, Japan vs the muslim world. If Islam stresses rigidity over all things, im afraid it wont go too well with change.

 

[haman10]

oh but unfortunately they don't consider you (shias) as Muslims. messed up situation hahahaha

why should i worry about what terrorists thinks about me??
what taliban thinks ??

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Yes...like killed 10 million of Jews? Or 1 crore Muslims?

Apart from what the Europeans and Americans have done in the last 2 centuries , Just look at your country's history , It will give you the answer .

 

[hussain0216]

No but ones which are adaptable end up better off. Case in point: China, Korea, Japan vs the muslim world.

Agree, but it takes time...

Like I said look at the time lines of the muslim world from being under the colonial thumb to now.. The development/change is actually quick

Even if it takes another 300 years for the muslim world to go through significant war and change, it will still be historically speaking a reasonably small amount of time.

 

[Juice]

Terrorist JEW USA use killed 1,5 millions iraqis, 120 000 libyans, 100 000 syrians (war by proxy)...

-Fabius the JEW french foreign affair said that Assad doesn't deserve to be on Earth

Hollande the JEW french president said that Assad must go

Bernard Henri Lévy, responsible for Libya war, calls to attack Syria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-rT2UajjBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBR29bw9GBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5MRJYA4qrQ

-Shimon Perez calls the arab league to attack Syria

********.com - Historic Speech, Israel Is with the Terrorists in Syria - Shimon Perez

-Gert Rosenthal, the JEWS chief of UN security Council, is sieging Syria in Turkey

Syrie: présence dissuasive turque à la frontière - YouTube

If the Jews are so all-powerful and magic....why do you resist?

 

[Developereo]

I acknowledge that the land known as Palestine WAS Jewish in the day.

Depends which 'day' you are talking about.

The Hebrews were one of many tribes in that region and were primarily in Hebron. The other areas were conquered by the Hebrews, just as they were conquered in turn by others.

If you keep going further back, nothing really belongs to anyone 'by rights' since everyone moved there from Africa.

The issue with Israel is that, after WW2 and the end of colonialism, the political entities in ex-colonial lands were formed around people physically living on the land at the time.

The only exception in the world was Israel.

 

[Juice]

@Developereo
I never would deny that. I personaly don't think the establishment of Israel was legal. As an American I am well aware %99 percent of the worlds nations are on land that belonged to some-one else once. If we tried to reverse time we would all end up in an African valley. But Israel is there...as Pakistan is where it is, Britain is where it is, Russia is where it is, Israel is where it is. Revanchism is a dead-end street. We need to deal with reality as it is now. If I talked to an Indian....I'm sure he would tell me you Muslims in the area were invaders....since Islam originated in Arabia...he would be right . We are all were we are now....time to stop dreaming of old lands...and deal with where we are.

 

[freshmint]

Agree, but it takes time...

Like I said look at the time lines of the muslim world from being under the colonial thumb to now.. The development/change is actually quick

Even if it takes another 300 years for the muslim world to go through significant war and change, it will still be historically speaking a reasonably small amount of time.

No, historically speaking 300 years for Muslims to build momentum (by cunningly deceitful means like multiplying manifold in tolerant non-Muslim countries or in Muslim lands surrounding non-Muslim lands) is not a reasonably SMALL amount of time since the world is galloping very fast only since the last 125-150 years with most inventions to wage mass wars only coming in just the last 100-125 years like nuclear weapons and ICBMs which can cause annihilation of any religion/civilization forever in just one day instead of decades and centuries witnessed in the past 5000 years of human civilization.