So how good is Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter? Analysis from RUSI think-tank’s Justin Bronk

[Safriz]

In same article
https://hushkit.net/2016/07/24/figh...fighter-aircraft-programmes-around-the-world/

Tejas- joke or hope?

Tejas, national pride over practicality?

Joke. Thirty years of development to produce an aircraft with short range, poor payload, and severe quality control issues throughout the manufacturing process leading to badly fitting structural components, slow delivery rates and high costs due to remanufacturing and alterations requirements. India would have done much better to have just bought a licence to manufacture Gripen C/D.

Boorhi ghorii laal lagaam

 

[war&peace]

Can you point me to that discussion? Because I can show you that current SU-30 MKIs can be very easily managed by Thunder + AEWACs.

Oh dear that's really an uphill task but I will try to find those threads. It was quite a long time ago..may be @MastanKhan can help us in this regard.

F16 Block 60 has AESA radar. I think you wanted to Say block 52.

Term 'improved version' is misleading

Point*. There will be one more HP.

Perhaps @Zarvan wanted to say about the F-16V which were being offered to Pakistan but without AESA radar.

 

[Trango Towers]

Think what if JF17 cross 400 units with minimum block3 standard?

Block 3 will be a nightmare for our neighbour

 

[Joe Shearer]

So how good is Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter? Analysis from RUSI think-tank’s Justin Bronk

Created in China, perhaps based on an Russian idea, the JF-17 is solely in service with the Pakistan Air Force. Comparable in thrust and weight levels to the Swedish Gripen, the JF-17 is an intriguing design, but how effective is it? We asked Justin Bronk, from the Royal United Services Institute for his opinion.

“The JF-17 as an airframe is certainly competitive with the F-16, being slightly aerodynamically cleaner, with a lower wing loading but a less efficient engine than the F-16s latest F110-GE-129/132 engine options. In terms of pilot interface, sensor suite and weapon flexibility, the JF-17 is roughly at a par with 1990s-vintage F-16 Block 40/42 and could be close to the USAF-standard Block 50/52, although without the conformal fuel tanks, JHMCS helmet sighting system and radar upgrades which distinguish the later Block 50/52+ and AESA which equips the UAE’s Block 60/61s.”

How would you rate the JF-17 in terms of within-visual range (WVR) and beyond-visual range (BVR) fighter capabilities?

“WVR, equipped with the MAA-1 Piranha missile, the small and agile JF-17 will be a dangerous but not exactly world-beating opponent for existing fourth generation fighters. It is limited to +8/-3g and the current block 1 and 2 fighters do not yet have a helmet mounted sight system as standard (this is promised for block 3). The JF-17 also doesn’t have a greater than 1:1 thrust to weight ratio so would be at a significant disadvantage in terms of energy management against opponents such as the F-15C, Typhoon or Su-35. BVR, the KLJ-7 radar is significantly out-ranged by the F-16’s AN/APG-68 and completely outclassed by the Rafale’s AESA array, Typhoon’s CAPTOR-M and the Su-35’s monstrously powerful Irbis-E. The JF-17s small wing area and lightweight also limit its missile-carrying capacity which further disadvantages it in BVR engagements. However, it is worth remembering that the JF-17 is not really intended to take on Typhoons, Rafales, F-15s or Su-35s. It is meant to be a cheap and cheerful light multirole fighter and configured accordingly.”

For the full article go here

Note: Please don't go for full article and Indian not gone a like that

https://hushkit.net/2018/01/25/so-h...-analysis-from-rusi-think-tanks-justin-bronk/

Yes, please don't. The millions of Indian members of PDF may be disappointed. There may be coronary situations, and retirements from the material world to the Himalayas. This is a serious threat to mental peace.

 

[BRAVO_]

its look like block III would fly with RD-33MK, same engine is installed in Mig 29K, Mig 29KUB and Mig 35. and my assumptions are based upon the PAF statement which they express with Janes back in November 2015 that it was committed to sticking with RD-93 and they wanna bring the MRO facility to Kamra on the other hand i am not expecting any major changes in design because such major changes could actually make JF-17 entirely a new aircraft which is less likely to happened, on its avionic side we can expect some drastic changes, but we should not forget the purpose of JF-17 it was designed to replace our aging fleet of F-7s and rest of of its league and in that role it is a good option.

 

[PakEye]

Moron comparing jft with rafael, su35 etc.
Jft belongs to the light weight fighter and being compared with heavies. Lull the bashira type of comparison.

read last paragraph for your answer
However, it is worth remembering that the JF-17 is not really intended to take on Typhoons, Rafales, F-15s or Su-35s. It is meant to be a cheap and cheerful light multirole fighter and configured accordingly.”

 

[Dalit]

Frankly, it is not a bad analysis. Some of the points are quite accurate, but they are being addressed in the latest block. The 3rd block is a quantum leap from the initial variants. Some of the comparison with heavy air superiority fighters is over the top. It is common knowledge that when the 1st and 2nd block of JF-17 is compared with heavy air superiority fighters the latter always has an edge in certain areas. Although this gap will vastly reduce once the latest block is produced and inducted. After all, the latest block will have a significant radar and other upgrades.

Apart from the analysis, we have to remember why the JF-17 was conceived and its intended role within Pak air force. It is meant to be relatively cheap, reliable, upgradable and easy to fly and maintain. The JF-17 ticks all these boxes.

PAF will also acquire or develop a heavy air superiority fighter and this will likely be a 5th gen aircraft. In the grand scheme of things, the JF-17 has its own role to fulfil which mustn't be underestimated nor downplayed. Above all, the JF-17 provides Pakistan with a sanction proof fighter. Almost every nut and bolt is produced by our engineers with the help of dear ally China. This is something to cherish because this opens the door to something much bigger. Nothing can replace home grown expertise and skills. Our domestic aviation industry has benefitted massively from the joint venture with our ally China. This blessing cannot be expressed in numerical values. It is priceless and we are bound to reap the benefits for decades to come.

 

[war&peace]

what exactly Pakistan got to counter SU-30 MKI and Rafale ?

JF17 any block can handle them. There was a good Q&A about PAF's capabilities especially JF17 and some experts answered the questions here on PDF. You should search and read that. Su30 is bigger in size but it is not missile or bomb proof if JF17 sees it first and shoots a missile at it, it will get hit, get flames and burst like anything else. The only difference is that SU30 can carry a bigger payload which is not an advantage in dog fight. And if BVR fight is concerned, it depends on RCS and better radar, if block III can see SU30 MKI with a much bigger RCS or our AW&C helps, then all pilot has to do is to lock it and press the button.
Su30MKi has an advantage in deep strikes but JF17s can very well defend it.
For deep strikes and maritime aviation, I think PAF should go for something like SU35 or JH7 etc..

 

[YeBeWarned]

A well written critic .. this article makes me more curious and excited about block 3 ..

 

[denel]

A well written critic .. this article makes me more curious and excited about block 3 ..

Aligned; fairly good written. Until we get the first prototype out it is left to guess work but if what is being said, it will be a good jump in terms of functionality.

 

[My-Analogous]

its look like block III would fly with RD-33MK, same engine is installed in Mig 29K, Mig 29KUB and Mig 35. and my assumptions are based upon the PAF statement which they express with Janes back in November 2015 that it was committed to sticking with RD-93 and they wanna bring the MRO facility to Kamra on the other hand i am not expecting any major changes in design because such major changes could actually make JF-17 entirely a new aircraft which is less likely to happened, on its avionic side we can expect some drastic changes, but we should not forget the purpose of JF-17 it was designed to replace our aging fleet of F-7s and rest of of its league and in that role it is a good option.

Do anyone know about RD5000B?
http://www.deagel.com/Propulsion-Systems/RD-5000B_a002229001.aspx
only info available is for RD5000
The Skat is powered by a single Klimov RD-5000–a non-afterburner derivative of the RD-33 powering the MiG-29 fighter–with thrust of 11,000 pounds. Its maximum takeoff weight is about ten metric tons; zero-level speed in excess of 430 knots; max speed of Mach 0.80; 40,000-foot ceiling; and range up to 2,500 miles. The weapons load is 2,000 kg (4,400 pounds), carried internally in two bays; a typical load would be two Kh-31P/A anti-radiation/anti-ship missiles or KAB500 series guided bombs. The Skat’s wingspan is 11.5m (38 feet); fuselage length, 10.25m (34 feet); and height 2.7m, (nine feet).
https://walterfarah.wordpress.com/tag/klimov-rd-5000/
Sorry for off topic

 

[YeBeWarned]

Aligned; fairly good written. Until we get the first prototype out it is left to guess work but if what is being said, it will be a good jump in terms of functionality.

exactly , so far many speculations and rumors has fogged the PDF, but if we go by the members who actually have sources well placed than we can have calculated guess what JF block 3 will be packing .

 

[denel]

exactly , so far many speculations and rumors has fogged the PDF, but if we go by the members who actually have sources well placed than we can have calculated guess what JF block 3 will be packing .

Yes indeed. We look forward to it; at least from RSA side, we are now clear of the b* transplated Gupta indians who are being sought for that tried to hijack every enterprise including Denel via Denel Asia; that was the start of their end. We are back to normal and no fears on technologies being shared going forward. Every indian with them is being sought; 7 in holding cells, 3 masterminds have fled. Btw - off topic - there is a bounty on them. If any one can locate ZS-OAK the bombardier plane they financed off Canadian govt; it is missing as well with transponder off.

http://www.heraldlive.co.za/news/2018/02/17/bounty-guptas-heads-raised/
https://www.sapeople.com/2018/02/17/r1-4-million-reward-offered-capture-guptas-run/
http://allafrica.com/view/group/main/main/id/00058969.html

Passing this info off to all PDF members sleuths to help us catch Guptas.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Yes indeed. We look forward to it; at least from RSA side, we are now clear of the b* transplated Gupta indians who are being sought for that tried to hijack every enterprise including Denel via Denel Asia; that was the start of their end. We are back to normal and no fears on technologies being shared going forward. Every indian with them is being sought; 7 in holding cells, 3 masterminds have fled. Btw - off topic - there is a bounty on them. If any one can locate ZS-OAK the bombardier plane they financed off Canadian govt; it is missing as well with transponder off.

http://www.heraldlive.co.za/news/2018/02/17/bounty-guptas-heads-raised/
https://www.sapeople.com/2018/02/17/r1-4-million-reward-offered-capture-guptas-run/
http://allafrica.com/view/group/main/main/id/00058969.html

Passing this info off to all PDF members sleuths to help us catch Guptas.

All the best for South African people .. getting rid of a Stupid and corrupt leader , Also some members do emphasis on we should follow up S.A Electronic's for JF .
@Bilal Khan (Quwa) is there anything we can look for JF from South Africa ? apart from A-Darter

 

[Ultima Thule]

Do anyone know about RD5000B?
http://www.deagel.com/Propulsion-Systems/RD-5000B_a002229001.aspx
only info available is for RD5000
The Skat is powered by a single Klimov RD-5000–a non-afterburner derivative of the RD-33 powering the MiG-29 fighter–with thrust of 11,000 pounds. Its maximum takeoff weight is about ten metric tons; zero-level speed in excess of 430 knots; max speed of Mach 0.80; 40,000-foot ceiling; and range up to 2,500 miles. The weapons load is 2,000 kg (4,400 pounds), carried internally in two bays; a typical load would be two Kh-31P/A anti-radiation/anti-ship missiles or KAB500 series guided bombs. The Skat’s wingspan is 11.5m (38 feet); fuselage length, 10.25m (34 feet); and height 2.7m, (nine feet).
https://walterfarah.wordpress.com/tag/klimov-rd-5000/
Sorry for off topic

why you pasted this articlesir do you accepting that this engine is for JF-17 BLK-3, what a purpose of this article @My-Analogous