Situation Desperate but not critical...

[fatman17]

@fatman17;
Please do be mindful of the fact that the "frenemies" were of your own (country's) choosing over a nearly six decade period. So there is (if one is honest enough) very little to crib about.

Another thought just crosses my mind; What is the 'tipping point' really? When 'desperate' turns into 'critical'? Did the policy-makers (both in and out of Uniform) pay any thought to that?

i'aint cribbing just realistic....the tipping point will be when the IFI's stop funding.

 

[VCheng]

Agreed. And that's something military can so nothing about.

Well, if the military lets proper businesses thrive instead of its own, and it lets go of its stranglehold on power and processes, may be the economy can breathe again. May be?

 

[Battle Axe]

Well, if the military lets proper businesses thrive instead of its own, and it lets go of its stranglehold on power and processes, may be the economy can breathe again. May be?

Are you implying that the military deliberately inhibits business growth here in order to let's it's own enterprises thrive.

In that case, I'll strongly disagree, the military prays for a thriving economy so that it can get good salaries, advanced weaponry and our military spending which is one of the lowest in terms of per soldier can increase to healthy levels.

Trust me, Army loves our industry!

 

[araz]

Well, if the military lets proper businesses thrive instead of its own, and it lets go of its stranglehold on power and processes, may be the economy can breathe again. May be?

An unusual response if I may say so. What have you based this on. It is an interesting proposition and I wonder if you could elaborate bit more so we can do a bit of dissection together.
Araz

 

[VCheng]

Are you implying that the military deliberately inhibits business growth here in order to let's it's own enterprises thrive.

In that case, I'll strongly disagree, the military prays for a thriving economy so that it can get good salaries, advanced weaponry and our military spending which is one of the lowest in terms of per soldier can increase to healthy levels.

Trust me, Army loves our industry!

The evidence clearly shows that businesses run by the military are detrimental to fair commercial activities, contributing to an overall poor economy.

An unusual response if I may say so. What have you based this on. It is an interesting proposition and I wonder if you could elaborate bit more so we can do a bit of dissection together.
Araz

As I said above: "The evidence clearly shows that businesses run by the military are detrimental to fair commercial activities, contributing to an overall poor economy."

 

[Battle Axe]

The evidence clearly shows that businesses run by the military are detrimental to fair commercial activities, contributing to an overall poor economy.




As I said above: "The evidence clearly shows that businesses run by the military are detrimental to fair commercial activities, contributing to an overall poor economy."

I wish to see the evidence.

 

[VCheng]

I wish to see the evidence.

Had that wish been real, it would have already been fulfilled. Only those who are able to seek find the answers.

For example:

Pakistani army's '$20bn' business

 

[Battle Axe]

Had that wish been real, it would have already been fulfilled. Only those who are able to seek find the answers.

See, they have the foundations but it's a fair market. The foundation is a civil entity in itself and competes in an open economy.

 

[fatman17]

See, they have the foundations but it's a fair market. The foundation is a civil entity in itself and competes in an open economy.

....and pays full taxes...unlike some civilian trading houses who 'avoid' paying taxes.

 

[VCheng]

See, they have the foundations but it's a fair market. The foundation is a civil entity in itself and competes in an open economy.

Yes, so go the claims.

....and pays full taxes...unlike some civilian trading houses who 'avoid' paying taxes.

Yes, that is true. But military being in big business is still the fact.

 

[Battle Axe]

Yes, so go the claims.



Yes, that is true. But military being in big business is still the fact.

So is the truth. It's Geo that speculates, you shouldn't.

 

[VCheng]

So is the truth. It's Geo that speculates, you shouldn't.

There is no speculation: Pakistan's military runs big businesses worth billions upon billions of dollars.

 

[Slayer786]

If zardart and nawaz are so bad, than why do people vote for them? It is very strange. after people vote for them then theycriticize them and call them corrupt and bad for Pakistan.
But i guess bad democracy is still preferred over any military takeover.

 

[notorious_eagle]

There is no speculation: Pakistan's military runs big businesses worth billions upon billions of dollars.

Indeed they do. Ideally, they would like to exit all commercial activities and focus solely on their professional fighting duties. But that is not the case because the Civilian Government has proved utterly incompetent to provide them with adequate funding. Due to this, the Army was forced to enter the private industry to provide welfare to its serving and retired soldiers. Army run institutions compete against other private entities in the open market, you can't blame them to be more efficient in their line of work.

 

[Battle Axe]

Indeed they do. Ideally, they would like to exit all commercial activities and focus solely on their professional fighting duties. But that is not the case because the Civilian Government has proved utterly incompetent to provide them with adequate funding. Due to this, the Army was forced to enter the private industry to provide welfare to its serving and retired soldiers. Army run institutions compete against other private entities in the open market, you can't blame them to be more efficient in their line of work.

There is no speculation: Pakistan's military runs big businesses worth billions upon billions of dollars.

And then these foundations are for welfare of soldiers and officers who lay down their lives, get injured or as we all know retire early and need employment. My father retired as a colonel on completion of service a day before his 45th bd and I, being the eldest had barely passed my O levels then.