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Siachen tragedy could trigger demilitarisation

Should Siachen to be demilitarized .

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 36.1%
  • No

    Votes: 37 60.7%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 2 3.3%

  • Total voters
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The latest tragedy in Siachen could be an excuse for an all-out effort by both India and Pakistan to demilitarise the inhospitable glacier. File photo
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‘Intense Army deployment should be replaced with verifiable technological solutions’
The latest tragedy in Siachen could be an excuse for an all-out effort by both India and Pakistan to demilitarise the inhospitable glacier where India and Pakistan have sacrificed hundreds of soldiers over the last three decades.

In fact, some in the military establishment believe the death of 10 soldiers of Madras Regiment could be a trigger for New Delhi to convince Islamabad to go back to the negotiation tables, where a roadmap for demilitarising Siachen is already available.

One senior Army officer pointed out that the Pakistan too has a compelling reason to consider the demilitarisation of the glacier, where over 2,000 soldiers of both nations have died since 1984. He pointed out that after 140 Pakistani soldiers were killed in an avalanche in April 2012, the then Pakistan Army Chief, General Parvez Kayani, issued a statement favouring demilitarisation of the region. “The intense military deployment should be replaced with technological solutions that are verifiable,” the senior officer said. It is an opinion echoed in private by many within the security establishment, given the harsh realities of the glacier and the growing challenges of frequent avalanches.

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“We have often come so close to finding a solution to the troop deployment, but somehow we never clinched it,” he added.

In June 1989, both sides announced that “there was agreement by both sides to work towards a comprehensive settlement, based on redeployment of forces to reduce the chance of conflict, avoidance of the use of force and the determination of future positions on the ground so as to conform with the Simla Agreement and to ensure durable peace in the Siachen area.”

Endorsed by Prime Ministers Benazir Bhutto and Rajiv Gandhi in Islamabad, the declaration has been the basic spirit of the bilateral approach towards the Siachen conflict. But no government has shown the political courage to clinch the deal.

In 1992, the two sides held discussions that narrowed down differences. Since then, India has had an almost consistent set of proposals. The contours of the Indian proposal include delineation of the Line of Control north of NJ 9842, redeployment of troops on both sides to agreed positions after demarcating their existing positions, a zone of disengagement and a monitoring mechanism to maintain the peace.

Over the years, Pakistan has suggested that troops on both sides should withdraw to a point south of NJ 9842, to the pre-1972 Simla Agreement positions. However, it has been reluctant to authenticate ground positions.

Many reports have suggested that in 1992 the two sides had agreed on the Indian points but a final agreement was not signed.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in 2005 suggested that the world’s highest battlefield be converted into a “peace mountain” without the redrawing of boundaries. For the Narendra Modi government, in its effort to bring a new vigour to its engagement with Pakistan, demilitarisation of Siachen could be one of the low-hanging fruits to pluck. Otherwise, more soldiers will be killed by avalanches as the world battles rising temperatures and glaciers become more unpredictable.

Tragedy could trigger demilitarisation - The Hindu
 
If both countries can agree, so be it. But it seems highly unlikely.
India on its own can monitor that area entirely using its huge array of satellites. If need be, troops can be inserted as and when there are indications.
 
If both countries can agree, so be it. But it seems highly unlikely.
India on its own can monitor that area entirely using its huge array of satellites. If need be, troops can be inserted as and when there are indications.
Pakistan already offered ceasefire on Siachen now ball is in Indian court what they decide, just over ego issue we put finest soldiers in a hell.
 
The trouble is that lack of trust between nations will never allow de-militarization to happen.
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The battle field is atrociously costly to maintain and in human terms, is probably the bloodiest post maintained by our armed forces.
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Just hope one day there won't be a need to post men in that hell.
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@Abingdonboy I remember you posted a tragic tale of an army patrol personnel dying while getting trapped inside a snowy crevice. Its that story getting repeated again & its bloody painful to see.

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If both countries can agree, so be it. But it seems highly unlikely.
India on its own can monitor that area entirely using its huge array of satellites. If need be, troops can be inserted as and when there are indications.

Indian Chief of the Army staff Gen VK Singh has said that General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani's remarks on Siachen's demilitarisation could not be taken seriously.


Source: India rejects Siachen demilitarisation

Pakistan offered ceasefire India rejected. Pakistan always first to offer peace initiatives.


You cannot ask India or even think that India should take Pakistan's word after what happened in Kargil.
 
Indian Chief of the Army staff Gen VK Singh has said that General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani's remarks on Siachen's demilitarisation could not be taken seriously.


Source: India rejects Siachen demilitarisation

Pakistan offered ceasefire India rejected. Pakistan always first to offer peace initiatives.

Lol do you even believe this stuff you spout? You were occupying vacated kargil heights when our PM was in Lahore offering peace initiatives.

Besides Pakistan loses nothing by agreeig to vacate Siachen, because they are NOT in Siachen.

What happened in Kargill is the same what happened in Siachen.

You are a very poor liar. Kargil was violation of LOC while India was initiating peace moves. Siachen was no violation of any treaty but India simply preempting Pakistans moves to take on Siachen. We just reached there days before you did, that makes you the loser, not a victim. Not to forget siachen provocations were started by pakistan through unilateral expeditions. As always pakistan started something they could not finish.
 
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Lol do you even believe this stuff you spout? You were occupying vacated kargil heights when our PM was in Lahore offering peace initiatives.

Besides Pakistan loses nothing by agreeig to vacate Siachen, because they are NOT in Siachen.



You are a very poor liar. Kargil was violation of LOC while India was initiating peace moves. Siachen was no violation of any treaty but India simply preempting Pakistans moves to take on Siachen. We just reached there days before you did, that makes you the loser, not a victim.
Cocked up stories, India launched attack on Siachen to bargain Kashmir but failed miserably as soon as they reach there pakistan launched counter attack and stopped them since the situation is same. just because of ill mentality of Indian policy makers many people are dying in Kashmir and Siachen even all over India.

And welcome to my ignore list, keep bark me not gona listen you any more.
 
Try to convince any Indian on that point ...........................

See ? :tsk: ............... @MaarKhoor
Sorry to see most of the Indian members rabid by extreme right wing Hinduvta ideologies and war mongering media. Even they don't feel for the soldiers and their families. believe me if Modi and Hinduvta policies remain few more years India will be worse then Afghanistan. Just because of the oppressive attitude many Indian joining ISIS.
 

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