Army said no to Gujral’s order to vacate Siachen

[Tshering22]

Bhagwan ko pyaree hogaye
On topic
Gujral was a idiot
He even ended RAWs covert operation wing in PK(correct me If I am wrong)

You're right. The joker was a combination of Gandhi + Kejri + MMS.

Didn't complete one term, would always talk of donating Indian lands, was useless in administration and silent as the Puppet.

 

[ejaz007]

Pakistan may not have planned (I doubt) or have the capability but they always harbored the INTENT to do so. No doubt about that. Even now if - and it is a BIG if - they get Kashmir they will have designs over rest of India and then the world (Islamic Jihad/Khilafat /.....)

Can you please justify your statement. Any proof in support of this statement.

Pakistan "issued" permission to foreign tourist without Indian consent when that area was not demarcated. And RAW found out, PA was procuring the high altitude gears from one company in London, which incidentally, was the only company supplying sophisticated equipments. This sowed a doubt in IA, and we see the results.
Had Pakistan not tried kargil, Siachen might have be demilitarised now, with tourist from both countries enjoying the benefit. Its really tough to imagine the life of Indian soldiers there. Its a hell.

Pakistan had been issuing permits to foreign tourists since 1957. India never raised objection. What was different in 1984. Your logic is flawed and without any basis.

Pakistan ordered military gear after Indian invasion. It is now proven that Indians had been training in Siberia since 1979 for this type of mission. Stop fabricating facts and distorting history.

 

[Secularpakistani]

Who is this dehati aurat ?

 

[jarves]

1. India is not at all a pure democracy and civilian rule as portrayed (especially by some idiots here in Pakistan)

Will you care to explain what do you mean by "pure Deomocracy" here??

2. Indian Military establishment is still in the driving seat when comes to foreign policy matters.

"Still" in the driving seat?? Military was never in the driving seat in deciding our foreign policy.Will you care to explain that why do you think that? The only thing one can deduce from this is that Military was taken into account for deciding what should be done,which is a good thing.Unlike in the past where army was ignored and the we paid the the price also

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Can you please justify your statement. Any proof in support of this statement.



Pakistan had been issuing permits to foreign tourists since 1957. India never raised objection. What was different in 1984. Your logic is flawed and without any basis.

Pakistan ordered military gear after Indian invasion. It is now proven that Indians had been training in Siberia since 1979 for this type of mission. Stop fabricating facts and distorting history.

I dont care even if Pakistan issued permits since 47. The area was not demarcated and it was only during late 70's that equipments for high altitude became standardized and started a rush of inflows.
I am pretty sure, if the diplomats had discussed on joint tourism it would have been a great success story.

 

[ejaz007]

I dont care even if Pakistan issued permits since 47. The area was not demarcated and it was only during late 70's that equipments for high altitude became standardized and started a rush of inflows.
I am pretty sure, if the diplomats had discussed on joint tourism it would have been a great success story.

So what you are saying is that if an area is not demarcated or diplomats do not discuss a situation then armed attack is justified. One can invade a territory on the basis that since it is not demarcated and diplomats have not discussed the situation invasion is justified.

We shall keep this logic in mind.

Then its is big mystery that even without the necessary training , planning or the essential arctic survival gear(all of which takes months to procure, plan and train..your troops arrived on the spot within one week of Indian troops.

That too without any prior intelligence about Indian plans.

Who told you we arrived within one week after Indian invasion.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Pakistan never planned to send army in Siachen. We neither had the necessary training nor planned any adventure their. It was only after India sent in army that Pakistan responded. General has only said Indian side of the story which is not entirely true.

Please Read Mushi's book. There is a funny prologue to Operation Meghdoot.

Hint keywords to help you search: kit, London, dealer, pre-empted

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

So what you are saying is that if an area is not demarcated or diplomats do not discuss a situation then armed attack is justified. One can invade a territory on the basis that since it is not demarcated and diplomats have not discussed the situation invasion is justified.

We shall keep this logic in mind.



Who told you we arrived within one week after Indian invasion.

PA definitely had this logic in mind when they invaded Kargil.

 

[proud_indian]

Pakistan ordered military gear after Indian invasion. It is now proven that Indians had been training in Siberia since 1979 for this type of mission. Stop fabricating facts and distorting history.

Can you please justify your statement. Any proof in support of this statement.



Pakistan had been issuing permits to foreign tourists since 1957. India never raised objection. What was different in 1984. Your logic is flawed and without any basis.

Pakistan ordered military gear after Indian invasion. It is now proven that Indians had been training in Siberia since 1979 for this type of mission. Stop fabricating facts and distorting history.

see what your own general is saying on the topic in your own show

watch from 7:00 minute onwards

 

[nair]

Bhagwan ko pyaree hogaye
On topic
Gujral was a idiot
He even ended RAWs covert operation wing in PK(correct me If I am wrong)

Not only that he even exposed them .....

 

[k_arura]

Can you please justify your statement. Any proof in support of this statement.



Pakistan had been issuing permits to foreign tourists since 1957. India never raised objection. What was different in 1984. Your logic is flawed and without any basis.

Pakistan ordered military gear after Indian invasion. It is now proven that Indians had been training in Siberia since 1979 for this type of mission. Stop fabricating facts and distorting history.

Read up (can google) what Musharraf said when asked if the issues between India-Pak will stand "resolved" if Kashmir was resolved. His answer NO. Judging by how much the army controls Pakistan and even how easy it is to rile up Paks against India at the drop of a hat, y'all can easily manufacture anything to create hate against India. This mindset is rooted in history and until and unless you get rid of it, IMHO India should NEVER "give" anything to Pak as they can easily turn it into a "win" against India something that has eluded them for their whole lifetime starting 1947. I think Indians will NEVER do such a stupid thing as to resolve anything that provides Pak an excuse to declare "victory."

 

[maxpayne]

Pakistan "issued" permission to foreign tourist without Indian consent when that area was not demarcated. And RAW found out, PA was procuring the high altitude gears from one company in London, which incidentally, was the only company supplying sophisticated equipments. This sowed a doubt in IA, and we see the results.
Had Pakistan not tried kargil, Siachen might have be demilitarised now, with tourist from both countries enjoying the benefit. Its really tough to imagine the life of Indian soldiers there. Its a hell.

Before Pak action, India was sending its troop in every summers. Pak responded by send its own troops before you. So telme who started first?

 

[Pakistanisage]

and the Indian Trolls talk about Pakistani Army defying our Civilian Government and how their Army always stays subservient to their Civilian Rule....

 

[jarves]

and the Indian Trolls talk about Pakistani Army defying our Civilian Government and how their Army always stays subservient to their Civilian Rule....

Not true,This news only conforms that Military was taken into account and there was a nice coordination bw Civilian and military leadership and we got a perfect result also.

 

[ejaz007]

Not true,This news only conforms that Military was taken into account and there was a nice coordination bw Civilian and military leadership and we got a perfect result also.

Still your army defied an elected prime minister who wanted to settle a useless military adventure.

Isn't it strange that when your army defies an elected government it was coordination and when our army defies they control every thing.

Read up (can google) what Musharraf said when asked if the issues between India-Pak will stand "resolved" if Kashmir was resolved. His answer NO. Judging by how much the army controls Pakistan and even how easy it is to rile up Paks against India at the drop of a hat, y'all can easily manufacture anything to create hate against India. This mindset is rooted in history and until and unless you get rid of it, IMHO India should NEVER "give" anything to Pak as they can easily turn it into a "win" against India something that has eluded them for their whole lifetime starting 1947. I think Indians will NEVER do such a stupid thing as to resolve anything that provides Pak an excuse to declare "victory."

So you accept whatever Musharaf says. He also says Pakistan won Kargil war. So then it is settled we won the Kargil war.