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Should the US continue support to Israel?

Should the US continue support to Israel?


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Is digging dirt that expensive? :unsure: You believe such numbers?! :unsure:

Where did 100m come from when their trade is stopped / controlled by Israel?

Hamas is very well funded by donations from around the Middle East.
 
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The relationship is fueled by 2 factors which are independent of any brotherly love

a) Corporation's desire to maintain control over resources , and having a base in region helps maintain
Some level of influence over region. Majority of the corporations are run by folks who hold soft spot for
Israel due to religious love for second coming of Jesus.

b) The western Media , fails to show full spectrum of damage to Americans. With out these share of data
the public opinion is minipulated with positive images of Israel and Negative data on victims.

c) The individual presidents who are deicision makers are influenced by the political donations they attain for their
Campaigns , and this money ensures that only select folks are brought in higher echelon of government who
will support 2 entities

1) Corporations - who want policies that don't introduce taxes, and ensure access to cheap labor and resources
2) Jesus Lovers - who feel that unconditional support to Israel will bring back Jesus

Many conservatives (Jesus-hadies) , tend to also run powerful corporations which further complicates the scenarios.


The third force in the mix are of course the Zionist , who do run campaigns and maintain a suitable budget to ensure public sees the positive propaganda on Israel in their local subway trains or commute


Most of the capital firms in USA have heavy Jewish element , and so do the Media companies
and the media also promotes entities who display Israel in good light

  • Campaign includes images of young girls wearing Israeli Military Uniform
  • Young Israelis having a great time on beaches in very , American style images
  • Funding , press writers to write specific articles that show up in news right after , Israeli force commit a blunder or war crime. Example of such writeup comes in shape of
    writing stuff about Holocaust , out of blue. Instead of reporting on war crimes. These writeups are written on front page, on the same date Israeli Army either kills a child or women or commits mass murder by destroying civilian hospital

Meanwhile , Palestinian resistance movement civilians are normally called "Terrorist" or referred by a political party affiliation , and that party is portrayed as the trouble maker for merely asking for an independent state where they can have their own armies and navies

The general public once it reaches an age where they do independent research , don't identify with Israel - because they have nothing in common with zionist, unless of course if the polls were done in a specific city where high concentration exists of specific group


In 2005, a push was made to stop Israeli Settlements in Israel, however those push ideas were shoved aside after suddenly , US economy went down , 2006 due to financial problems in stock market. I mean who would have pulled their money out of the financial sector. This was a prime example of how , when Global financial companies pull out their assets from US Banks could effect US economy

Instead 800 billion was taken as grant from US tax payers:o:

Reference:
2005 , Push was made to stop Settlement in Israel , by 2006 economy went toilet
President Bush Warns Israel Against Building New Settlements in the West Bank | PBS NewsHour

May be it was coincidence




There is nothing in common between Israel and American

  • Americans , are laid back easy going , Zionist Israelis are mostly hardliners who would shoot a child.
  • Americans donate to world wide causes, Israeli Zionist are recipient of aid money they
    from US and mostly charities who sent billions to its expansion efforts.Not to mention Zionist are known to blow up United Nation run schools and hospitals
  • Americans would help build hospitals and treat folks free, Zionist will make the ambulance wait 8 hours at checkpoints even if women is in labor
  • US/ Americans open their country to legally come and go for any visitor , Zionist have rules to single out people based on religion and have illegal fencing.
  • Americans are still heavily inclined by Christianity , and Zionist are mostly hardliners who control the Jesus second coming as tool to control Christians
  • Americans would go to start a war perhaps to help out , but Zionist would sink an American Navy Boat , and then say sorry and get away with things or they would kill an activist by running a bulldozer over her.

There is nothing in common but the media , and newspapers would make you feel other way



The only reason why USA supports Israel , is indirect influence from Corporations , which have heavy influence on Presidential Campaigns. They donate Millions as a group , and they only donate if a Political President Campaigner has agreed to two promises

a) They will continue support of Israel
b) They will not tax corporation or force them to bring their assets from overseas to USA

By the time the 2-3 candidates are presented before the American public they only get candidates who will continue the same policies already imposed by Corporations. Does not matter who the American people will choose as their leader the outcome will always be in control of Corporations that run America

So the argument that American people support Israel's war crimes is not fully correct , but instead the real argument is , that Israel is supported by the Policies approved by US corporations, which are implemented by their representatives Chosen and funded by them.

This is why we have a situation where for decades US polices have stayed same with respect to Israel


A fascinating , point , was it not Clinton who tried to broker peace between Israel and Yasser Arafat ? Immediately after , a scandal broke out ??? against him :P

Well said. Like always. :)

No, it does not. Medical supplies are allowed.

Stop embarrassing yourself, any supplies of any kind are extremely limited. Money transfers to pay civil employees are blocked. This isn't just about Gaza as well. Medical supplies are limited there.

Only medicine company in Gaza targeted by Israel | Maan News Agency
 
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Well , there would be no need of digging tunnle of the Palestinians were treated like humans and given airport and water shores and shipping yard

Palestinians will be victims in the ordeal and that is official Pakistani stance and will always be that stance

If Israel had treated Palestinians humanely and granted seperate state and stated away from interference in their affairs things would have been different

The real question is

DO HUMANS , dig tunnels ??? Internationally why ... oh yah cuz they have airports , taxis , boats , and trains.

So I think the real problem has always been denial of Basic Human Rights to Palestinian and therefore they will always be viewed as victims , and innocent party even if they dig any tunnle because they have been denied the right to live their lives normally like humans

Summary:
  • Why are Palestinians digging tunnels - because there is Economic Blockade by Israel
  • Why are Palestinians are digging tunnels - because border with Egypt is sealed
  • Why are Palestinians living in rubble - because their homes were bombarded
  • Why are there no hospitals - because Israel keeps destroying hospitals with F16 raids
  • Why are there no ship yards - because Israel does not allows aid flotillas to dock
  • Why are Palestinians Jobless - because Israel keeps demolishing their infrastructure
  • Why can't they grow crops - because Israel keeps demolishing their olive trees

Unless their is social Justice for Palestinians

  • Independent state
  • Independent authority to rule and govern their cities
  • 100% independence different borders
They will always be the Innocent and considered a victim


They are freedom seekers nothing more - international community has failed them and thus has no moral right to brand them as anything more then what they are freedom seekers
 
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Depends,if it means supporting israel's right to exist-yes.If it means more settlements and mass bombings-no.Basically there are 2 reasons palestine can't get enough world sympathy
One,palestinian resistance is using violent means which delegitimizes it,especially those jihadi slogans from the mullahs don't help.
Two palestinian struggle is viewed by many people as a struggle with islamic forces,with israel at the forefront.And sad reality is much of the non-muslim world population atm do not like or are wary of islam.So they give israel tacit support.
So what palestinians need is a non-violent non-religious movement,a humanitarian struggle with out religious undertones,otherwise they often get bracketed with jihadis.
 
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Depends,if it means supporting israel's right to exist-yes.If it means more settlements and mass bombings-no.

Material support/political cover we give them from the UN resolutions/investigations.
 
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Stop embarrassing yourself, any supplies of any kind are extremely limited. Money transfers to pay civil employees are blocked. This isn't just about Gaza as well. Medical supplies are limited there.

Stop embarrassing yourself. These blockades were needed only temporarily to stop rockets attacks. If only you would stop using any allowed supplies to smuggle in rocketry components, then it would be never be blocked.
 
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If Israel had treated Palestinians humanely and granted seperate state and stated away from interference in their affairs things would have been different

It was the British that offered Palestinians their own state and they rejected it. Israel came into being and the Palestinians chose to go to war, and lost. Even now, if the Palestinians accept the partition and give up their declarations of war, a two state solution that gives them their own state is possible under the auspices of the UN.
 
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Stop embarrassing yourself. These blockades were needed only temporarily to stop rockets attacks. If only you would stop using any allowed supplies to smuggle in rocketry components, then it would be never be blocked.

No, you stop embarrassing yourself. The blockade/occupation has existed in occuipped territories for decades.
 
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No, you stop embarrassing yourself. The blockade/occupation has existed in occuipped territories for decades.

Because the Palestinians continue to attack Israel for all those decades too.
 
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