Sheikh Rasheed confirms/hints about buying J-10 Jets

[Philip the Arab]

But its not a air superiority jet as you say like f15/su27 but a multi role jet and its main mission is to attack ground targets and its complementary to Chinese j11 series of jets

Main role for ground attack is JH-7A bud. It is better then JF-17 at air superiority.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Main role for ground attack is JH-7A bud. It is better then JF-17 at air superiority.

JH-7A main mission is NAVAL strike mission, yeah definitely but only in combat radius/payloads, and upcoming JF-17 block-3 uses lots of technology from J-10C

 

[Philip the Arab]

JH-7A main mission is NAVAL strike mission, yeah definitely but only in combat radius/payloads, and upcoming JF-17 block-3 uses lots of technology from J-10C

PAF getting refueling planes?

 

[Ultima Thule]

PAF getting refueling planes?

No but we have 4 IL-78 multi role tanker and transport plane

 

[khansaheeb]

J10 General characteristics

• Crew: 1[30]
  
  
• Length: 16.43 m (53 ft 11 in)
  
  
• Wingspan: 9.75 m (32 ft 0 in)
  
  
• Height: 5.43 m (17 ft 10 in)
  
  
• Wing area: 33 m2 (360 sq ft)
  
  
• Empty weight: 9,750 kg (21,495 lb) [56]
  
  
• Gross weight: 12,400 kg (27,337 lb)
  
  
• Max takeoff weight: 19,277 kg (42,499 lb) [30][56]
  
  
• Powerplant: 1 × Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN afterburning turbofan engines, 79.43 kN (17,860 lbf) thrust (or WS-10A) dry, 125 kN (28,000 lbf) with afterburner
  

Performance

• Range: 3,200 km (2,000 mi, 1,700 nmi) [57][56]
  
  
• Combat range: 1,250 km (780 mi, 670 nmi) [57][56]
  
  
• Maximum speed: Mach 2.2[57][58]
  
  
• Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,000 ft) [56]
  
  
• g limits: +9 –3[56]
  
  
• Wing loading: 381 kg/m2 (78 lb/sq ft)
  
  
• Thrust/weight: 1.15 (with Saturn AL-31FN3); 1.16 (with WS-10A)
  
  
  
• Instantaneous Turn Rate: 31+ degrees per second
  
  
• Roll Rate: 300+ degrees per second
  

Armament

• Guns: 1× Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23
  
  
• Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 2× under-intake and 3× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 7,000 kg (15,400 lb) external fuel and ordnance[29],
  
  
• Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods
  
  
• Missiles:
  
  

• Air-to-air missiles:
  PL-8
  PL-9
  PL-10
  PL-11
  PL-12
  PL-15
  
  
• Air-to-surface missiles:
  PJ-9
  YJ-9K
  

• Bombs:
  Laser-guided bombs: (LT-2)
  Glide bombs: (LS-6, GB3, GB2A, GB3A)
  Satellite-guided bombs: (FT-1)
  Unguided bombs: 250 kg, 500 kg
  
  
• Others:
  

• Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time
  

Avionics

• Type 1473H pulse-doppler fire control radar
  
  
• Externally mounted avionics pods:
  

• Type Hongguang-I infra-red search and track pod
  
  
• BM/KG300G self-protection jamming pod
  
  
• KZ900 electronic reconnaissance pod
  
  
• Blue Sky navigation/attack pod
  
  
• FILAT (Forward-looking Infra-red Laser Attack Targeting) pod
  

Specifications (JF-17 Block 2)

External image

Data from Pakistan Aeronautical Complex marketing brochure[192] and official website[193]

General characteristics

• Crew: 1 (single-seat) or 2 (dual-seat)
  
  
• Length: 14.93 m (49 ft 0 in)
  
  
• Wingspan: 9.48 m (31 ft 1 in)
  
  
• Height: 4.72 m (15 ft 6 in)
  
  
• Wing area: 24.43 m2 (263.0 sq ft)
  
  
• Empty weight: 6,600 kg (14,551 lb)
  
  
• Max takeoff weight: 12,700 kg (27,999 lb) [194]
  
  
• Fuel capacity: 2,329 kg (5,135 lb) internal fuel; 1 x 800 kg (1,764 lb) centre-line drop tank; 2 x 800 kg (1,764 lb) or 1,100 kg (2,425 lb) under-wing drop tanks
  
  
• Payload: 4,325 kg (9,535 lb) external stores
  
  
• Powerplant: 1 × Klimov RD-93 afterburning turbofan with digital electronic engine control (DEEC), 49.4 kN (11,100 lbf) thrust [195] dry, 85.3 kN (19,200 lbf) with afterburner
  

Performance

• Maximum speed: 1,980 km/h (1,230 mph, 1,070 kn)
  
  
• Maximum speed: Mach 1.6
  
  
• Stall speed: 180 km/h (110 mph, 97 kn)
  
  
• Never exceed speed: 2,000 km/h (1,200 mph, 1,100 kn)
  
  
• Combat range: 652 km (405 mi, 352 nmi)
  
  
• Ferry range: 2,500 km (1,600 mi, 1,300 nmi) with 3 external drop tanks
  
  
• Service ceiling: 15,920 m (52,230 ft)
  
  
• g limits: +8/-3 (limited by flight control system)
  
  
• Rate of climb: 300 m/s (59,000 ft/min)
  
  
• Thrust/weight: 0.95,[196] 1.10 with WS-13 engine
  

Armament

• Guns: 1 × 23 mm GSh-23-2 twin-barrel cannon or 1 × 30 mm GSh-30-2 twin-barrel cannon
  
  
• Hardpoints: 7 (2 × wing-tip, 4 × under-wing, 1 × under-fuselage) with capacity for dual ejector racks on each under-wing hardpoint
  
  
• Missiles:
  
  
• 
  

• Air-to-air missiles:
  

• PL-5EII (within visual range missile)
  
  
• PL-9C (WVR missile)
  
  
• AIM-9L/M Sidewinder (Short-range)
  
  
• PL-8 (Short-range)
  
  
• PL-15 ( Very Long range Beyond Visual range missile)
  
  
• SD-10A (PL-12 export version) (beyond visual range missile) [200]
  

• Air-to-surface missiles:
  

• CM-102 (anti-radiation missile) [200]
  
  
• MAR-1 (anti-radiation missile)
  
  
• Ra'ad (Nuclear Stealth Cruise missile)
  
  
• Ra'ad MK-2 (Nuclear Stealth Cruise missile)
  

• 
  

• Anti-ship missiles:
  

• C-802AK (anti-ship missile) [200][201]
  
  
• Exocet (anti-ship missile)
  
  
• C-803 (sea skimming anti-ship missile)
  
  
• CM-400AKG (anti-ship missile) [201]
  

• Bombs:
  
  
• 
  

• Unguided bombs:
  

• Mk-82 (General-purpose bomb)
  
  
• Mk-83 (General-purpose bomb)
  
  
• Mk-84 (General-purpose bomb)
  
  
• Matra Durandal (Anti-runway bomb)
  
  
• Rockeye Mk-20 (Anti-armour cluster bomb)
  

• Guided bombs:
  

• GBU-10 (Laser-guided bomb)
  
  
• GBU-12 (Laser-guided bomb)
  
  
• GBU-16 (Laser-guided bomb)
  
  
• LT-2 (Precision-guided bomb)
  
  
• H-4[disambiguation needed] (SOW) Stand of weapon (Precision-guided glide bomb)
  
  
• H-2[disambiguation needed] (SOW) Stand of weapon (Precision-guided glide bomb)
  
  
• Takbir (GPS/INS guided glide bomb)
  
  
• LS-6 (GPS/INS guided bomb) [197]
  

• Others:
  

• Range Extension Kit (GPS/INS guided bomb) [198]
  
  
• GDJ-II19 dual ejector rack [199]
  
  
• Countermeasures (Flares, Chaff) [195]
  
  
• Up to 3 external drop tanks (1 x 800 kg (1,764 lb) centre-line drop tank; 2 x 800 kg (1,764 lb) or 1,100 kg (2,425 lb) under-wing drop tanks) for extended range/loitering time [196]
  

Avionics

• KLJ-7 A Airborne Pulse Doppler Fire-Control Radar [202] ( Range-200 km for 3m2 RCS aircraft)
  
  
• Northrop Grumman ALR-67 Rader Warning Recever (RWR)
  
  
• S740 Airborne Missile Approach Warning System (MAWS)
  
  
• Indra ALQ-500P Electronic Countermeasure (ECM)
  
  
• Link-17 Tactical Data Link
  
  
• MIL-STD-1760 data-bus
  
  
• 
  

• Externally mounted avionics pods:
  

• Aselsan ASELPOD Advanced Targeting Pod Electro-Optical Reconnaissance, Surveillance, and Targeting System [203]
  
  
• KG300G Airborne Self-Protection Jamming Pod [197]
  
  
• KG600 Airborne Self-Protection Jamming Pod
  
  
• Forward-looking IRST pod
  
  
• WMD-7 Day/Night targeting pod
  
  
• KZ900 Electronic reconnaissance pod.
  
  
• Blue Sky[disambiguation needed] navigation pod.( For Low altitude navigational and attack)
  

 

[Amaa'n]

J-10 has enough capability to counter most of IAF like Mig-21, Tejas, Mig-29 and even Su-30 if comms can be jammed again and AWACS used correctly.

J10c is more or less similar to F16 and fall in medium category. It is MMRCA

 

[Signalian]

From Time 19:00

Bhai, what is the PAF CAS saying ? since i know that this minister SR is not defense minister neither associated with PAF.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Bhai, what is the PAF CAS saying ? since i know that this minister SR is not defense minister neither associated with PAF.

But PAF badly needs stopgap jet until project AZM will matured

 

[Amaa'n]

F-16V and J-10B/C is not as powerful like F-15/Su-27 in every terms, they have less rate of climb/ less radar ranges/less weapon carrying capabilities/ less capable to carrying electronics as compare to HEAVIES

as of now, Heavies are not required by PAF, doesn't fit in our current doctrine. we prefer the multirole a/c , develop tactics to intercept the heavies.....as you are aware, PAF has been sparing with plaaf J11s with F16 & JFT extensively to develop tactics for handling Heavies like SU30....Feb27 told us how fruitful all those sparring sessions were...
based on the brief history and knowledge i have, i will say PAF will continue to develop JFT BLk3, IF they felt the need by next year that they require another platform, they will buy off the shelf J10s and have the go through local assembly line for few tweaks to suit our needs....

Bhai, what is the PAF CAS saying ? since i know that this minister SR is not defense minister neither associated with PAF.

he said to Alan Warnes "IF" we felt we will try to "Balance"

 

[Genghis khan1]

Only going to believe when it actually happen.

I don't have trust on any politician.[/

He isn’t any politician, he is a pindi boy. He knows thing or two in the quarters of pindi.

 

[Ultima Thule]

He isn’t any politician, he is a pindi boy. He knows thing or two in the quarters of pindi.

NA he acting like a guru and predicting things like a Prophets Naozubillah

 

[Genghis khan1]

NA he acting like a guru and predicting things like a Prophets Naozubillah

I didn’t listen to the whole interview but as far as J-10s are concerned, he most probably knew something. At the end procurement will come down to urgency and Finincial feasibility.

 

[PakAlp]

Pakistan will not go for another 4th generation fighter jet. We already have upgraded f16s and f16blocks 52s, Jf17 block 1,2 and latest jf17 block 3 next year, we also have heavily upgraded Mirage rose which will stay with us till 2035. Why would we spend billions in to another platform than spend all that money in to more f16s or jf17 block 3s and also in to 5th generation.

The downside is Chinese j31 fighter has been delayed till 2035. The Turkish tfx has the big question till 2030. But you never know J20 might be available to buy in the near future.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I didn’t listen to the whole interview but as far as J-10s are concerned, he most probably knew something. At the end procurement will come down to urgency and Finincial feasibility.

i don't thinks he knows anything but he is famous for predicting useless future political events and acts like guru

 

[El Sidd]

He is the minister and you should believe him.

Like when he said the fire on that train was due to gas cylinders or other times where he refused legal responsibility in his own ministry?

He has a report to submit in Supreme Court so he better start working.