Shamima Begum cannot return to UK, Supreme Court rules

[EasyNow]

Opinions? I hope she suffers every day. I hope she dies a dogs death. And I hope that mongrel kid of hers is never allowed into UK. We can do without a future terrorist. Everytime I see some far right scumbag using her ugly face to complain about Muslims I want to spit in her face.

Now let her enojoy living in her pristine ummah and Islamic paradise under Islamic state. Anyway she should be glad she is not living in kuffar UK full of white devils.

And just to confirm this ugly diseased cow is BANGLADESHI. Not Pakistani.

Let's not get all racist about this. She is what she is, but guess what, she was recruited by a PAKISTANI named Tooba Gondal.


On a separate note, this whole episode brings forth an uncomfortable truth.

We are all on this forum because we have divided loyalties. Every British Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Indian professes their love for their motherland, often over and above the UK. So what is wrong with the British govt calling out those who leave Britain to fight for another nation? For any nationalist the UK decision is morally justified - just look at the nationalists on this very thread.

The ones whining here are nothing but hypocrites. Shamima is better than them because she put her money where her mouth is - and she will pay the price. That is fair play.

But those outraged by this decision, want the right to divide their loyalties to the extreme but at the same time be protected by the British legal system. It's moral cowardice of the most disgusting kind.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The ones whining here are nothing but hypocrites. Shamima is better than them because she put her money where her mouth is - and she will pay the price. That is fair play.

That is a great point. She has to be respected in that she placed her belief in faith before Britain. In that sense while I don't agree but she is honest to her beliefs.

This raises the interesting question that you alluded to. The tension between being British citizen and having loyalty to external entity or political/religious movement. Personally I am secularist thus I don't have issue with Muslims being bombed to stone age by the British state. Insofar as that goes I will support Britain even if I may not agree with the policy which is no differant to many Britons. For instance I was against the Iraq war not because they were Muslim, that did not even factor in my calculation. I would have felt same had they been Hindus.

Britain could bomb the hell out of Syria, Bangladesh, Saudia Arabia, UAE, India and it would make squat differance to me although I would be celebrating in case of India and would probably grin with Bangladesh or have a chuckle at UAE as Burj comes crashing down.

But. The only time I would have problems is if UK went to war against Pakistan. As a nationalist as secularist that would put me in the same place as Shamim and I would have to with regret leave Britain.

 

[EasyNow]

So where is this stateless person suppose to go?

She was born as the Queens subject like every other Brit, be it Sajid Woodgate or Oliver Bhatti.

Many states have disappeared in history, she will have to claim refuge like a million others over the years.

 

[EasyNow]

That is a great point. She has to be respected in that she placed her belief in faith before Britain. In that sense while I don't agree but she is honest to her beliefs.

This raises the interesting question that you alluded to. The tension between being British citizen and having loyalty to external entity or political/religious movement. Personally I am secularist thus I don't have issue with Muslims being bombed to stone age by the British state. Insofar as that goes I will support Britain even if I may not agree with the policy which is no differant to many Britons. For instance I was against the Iraq war not because they were Muslim, that did not even factor in my calculation. I would have felt same had they been Hindus.

Britain could bomb the hell out of Syria, Bangladesh, Saudia Arabia, UAE, India and it would make squat differance to me although I would be celebrating in case of India and would probably grin with Bangladesh or have a chuckle at UAE as Burj comes crashing down.

But. The only time I would have problems is if UK went to war against Pakistan. As a nationalist as secularist that would put me in the same place as Shamim and I would have to with regret leave Britain.

I couldn't have put it better. In all honesty, I would deeply assess why Britain went to war with BD because I am grateful to Britain and I have a certain amount of trust in it. But if I side actively with BD, go to war on behalf of BD - not just with words - i would expect that Britain has the right to deprive me of its protection. That is fair play.

(Edited for clarity)

 

[Indus Pakistan]

i would expect that Britain has the right to deprive me of its protection. That is fair play.

100%. You can't be a citizen of a state and be disloyal to it. If you do I think it is only proper that the state takes action although if you were true to your beliefs you would leave voluntarily.

Vote with your feet as the saying goes.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Shamima is a victim of her own parents and environment, she's just a product of her environment. That 15 year old kid back then didn't know what she doing.

She should be sentenced to labour in Iraq or Syria, picking up bricks in war torn cities. After about 40.000 bricks she can undergo rehabilitation. Dumb bitch!

Her husband should be sent to space though.

 

[Constantin84]

Rules are changed for Minorities it is not a new event , it has happened in past across history
The moral high ground has to be maintained

For every war , 1 side needs to be "Morally" on a path which takes them to heaven and other party of course is collaborator with evil , the Devil and of course all the evil stuff. The thing is


For me the people who dropped a Bomb on a building or Hospital are equally guilty then the folks on horses or Toyota Trucks, Let us call it the way it was , it was a War to build strategic bases and carve out some positions

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Normally after every war , when the dust settles , Soldiers and people , sit down and scratch their head , ok we just went thru a traumatic experience, what exactly did we did we do ?

• One Soldier goes , well ok I dropped a bomb on a Wedding
• Then another goes , well ok I was in a helicopter and well I shot at something killed 7-8 people with no guns by error
• Then another goes well ok you know I was just shooting a bunch of rounds for fun to kill some time and ended up killing some one
• Others just simply drive a SUV in another country and then drive over someone else's citizen

Than another Guy comes up and tells these folks don't worry all your Sins are gone because I said so , and then he hands them a prescription meds for Mental Illness

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Yes Moral ground crimes are of course a privilege , these are well documented in history no wonder when war ends many people are left with Brain Disorders because they can't justify stuff what happened



But of course , the Underage person what was it 15-16 year old , will take full brunt of responsibility , it is the reality of life and it is a privilege

Stop playing the race card,a white guy has had his citizenship removed to because his father is Canadian.

Jihadi Jack: IS recruit Jack Letts loses UK citizenship - BBC News

The UK is accused of "off-loading" its responsibilities for the move against the man dubbed Jihadi Jack.

www.google.com

 

[Trango Towers]

She was brainwashed in one of the no go areas of the UK.

Why are Pakistanis not demanding combing operations in UK?

So now you are not Pakistani?
Interesting.


There is a much bigger issue at hand.

1. She was born in the UK and had no other passport or ID.
2. Has no affiliation with Bangladesh her parents country and has not even visited.
3. If she was white British her passport would NOT be revoked.
4. Leaving her stateless in against Geneva convention and human rights.
5. All non white British people including Sajid Javed and now Pretti Patel (home sec. Firmer and current) are not equally British no matter how much they try to be white

 

[El Sidd]

So now you are not Pakistani

You need to prove these things you say to someone i assume be it your own self in the mirror.

There is a much bigger issue at hand.

1. She was born in the UK and had no other passport or ID.
2. Has no affiliation with Bangladesh her parents country and has not even visited.
3. If she was white British her passport would NOT be revoked.
4. Leaving her stateless in against Geneva convention and human rights.
5. All no white British people including Sajid Jared and now Pretti Patel are not equally British no matter how much they try to be white

I have raised these points as well. Apparently no one is interested because

A) Muslim lives don't matter
B) People are scared

 

[Constantin84]

So now you are not Pakistani?
Interesting.


There is a much bigger issue at hand.

1. She was born in the UK and had no other passport or ID.
2. Has no affiliation with Bangladesh her parents country and has not even visited.
3. If she was white British her passport would NOT be revoked.
4. Leaving her stateless in against Geneva convention and human rights.
5. All non white British people including Sajid Javed and now Pretti Patel (home sec. Firmer and current) are not equally British no matter how much they try to be white

White British has citizenship revoked

Jihadi Jack: IS recruit Jack Letts loses UK citizenship - BBC News

The UK is accused of "off-loading" its responsibilities for the move against the man dubbed Jihadi Jack.

www.google.com

 

[cloud4000]

I find it shocking that the UK can simply revoke the citizenship of UK-born Shemima Begum, making her stateless. What a dangerous precedent. Personally, I think the UK government should reconsider for the following reasons:

1. She was a minor when she left
2. Was she involved in actual fighting: does she have blood on her hands?
3. Is sympathizing with ISIS a crime in itself? Is she being persecuted for a thought crime?

If she did violate UK laws, shouldn't she be extradited and prosecuted in a court of law?

Personally, I find such people repulsive, but she's not the issue here. It's a matter of principle and rule of law. Does a country have a right to revoke the citizenship of one of its citizens?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I hope she NEVER has her british citizenship reinstated. It will set the precedence that if you commit terrorism or go against the british state then your citizenship will be revoked. It will send a strong message to some misguided UK based Muslims who are thinking of partaking in terrorist activities. It will ACTUALLY decrease terrorism in the UK and help lower Islamaphobia.






In my opinion this is the GREATEST song EVER......................................................:

Love this too........................:

Ah ... you have good choice in music. I was exposed to these songs when I first went to Pakistan in 1980s. Even then Islamabad was stunning. I spent fair few days cruising and playing these songs in a Toyota Corolla E70 model 1984 along the mostly empty wide khayabans or racing with other boys from Shah Faisel mosque to zero point.
I got to see Vital Signs event in college in Islamabad. Another great singer I liked was Ali Shekhi. Alamgir was another great singer.Then there was this Christian sisters combo.

 

[The Maverick]

This is a REAL WAKE UP CALL to all those who enjoy the civilised and relatively safe lifestyle of residing in the west AND then claim they need to go and fight the VERY HAND that feeds them ...

She made her bed
And if it was my choice ALL terrorists who go against ,my country of birth should be dealt with same.

millions of migrants from asia & africa risl their lives and all they have financially to get to UK and europe

AND THIS IDIOT born to UK decided to becme terrorists AND now wants to come Home