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Yaar do you guys, Stalk all Indians coming to India. I mean every Pakistani on this forum claims that he has met UP Muslims, Gujrat Muslims, hell they might say they have met Andaman and Nicobar Muslims. :lol:

And they tell you guys entire story ? Why don't you guys go to Cinema hall and watch Pakistani movies to raise your dying movie industry ? :lol:

I think they just tell you these stories so that you can feel happy and help them around. Remember Indian Muslims have learned few things from Evil Baniyas. :D

They make fool out of you guys. :rofl:

@haviZsultan Because we are sick of you guys always talking same old sh!t and saying old rhetoric over and over again.

You start threads and tell your experiences on Indian Muslims, why don't you start a thread on Pakistani Hindus and other minorities and what they face in Pakistan.

You all try to be happy, go lucky and mature but if any thread is made on Pakistani minorities, temple destruction in Pakistan etc., it gets closed or deleted.

There are too many urdu speaking here so meeting them is not a problem.

Rest of your post is off topic.

Even top bollywood actors agree muslims face persecution in india.

Okay fine, you started the trend and haviZsultan perfected it ;)

Denying it won't give you anything my dear. :)
 
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True Democracy ? You guys had 4 decades of Military dictatorship.

And why people Hate Pakistan and Islam ? Lets see what points you can give ?

if u want to know democracy concept in islam then read history when Muslims ruled the world n the concept Ammer came in.

Pakistan right now on its current state is NOT A TRUE MUSLIM Country off course we accept that. But we r striving n struggling hard to make it but the Gorras r the biggest hurdle in that because actually it was them who made Pakistan un democratically by breaking the union of India and yr curse in this regard on us and Brits is justified.

Read the Book My Molana Azad...India wins freedom and another book named the Great Game by yr ex minister in 50s.
U will know how Brits brainwashed Muslims of SA n made a Country named Pak just to destroy the Communist block after WW2.

It took us some 65 years to realize this TRUTH!!!!!.

my usual trolling aside when i even talk in a serious manner i also accept the facts n truth. After all im also a parralikha Admi n i have also Eyes, Ears and Brain to realize truth.
 
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Denying it won't give you anything my dear. :)

I know.. If you really think there were such a hatred among Muslims in India and Muslims were tortured, show me how many muslims take refuge in any other country?

Show me mass exodus of Muslims from India to neighbouring muslim countrys?
 
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There are too many urdu speaking here so meeting them is not a problem.
Rest of your post is off topic.
Even top bollywood actors agree muslims face persecution in india.
Denying it won't give you anything my dear. :)
:lol: I post Pew Survey of over 1450 Pakistani Muslims where majority don't think Shias are Muslim and you guys say the sample is small.

But here you quote Indian actors. Lets see what Indian Muslims in Bollywood say about Pakistan.

Shahrukh Khan Slams Pakistan | Indian Soldiers Killed @ LOC - YouTube

Javed Akhtar's Warning To Pakistan - YouTube


This is what Javed Akhtar says about Pakistan and Two Nation Theory.

J Akhtar: Pakistan & Two-Nation Theory -1 - YouTube
 
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I know.. If you really think there were such a hatred among Muslims in India and Muslims were tortured, show me how many muslims take refuge in any other country?

Show me mass exodus of Muslims from India to neighbouring muslim countrys?

90% left in 1947.

What more?

:lol: I post Pew Survey of over 1450 Pakistani Muslims where majority don't think Shias are Muslim and you guys say the sample is small.

Obviously its too small and it depends on the area also.

But here you quote Indian actors. Lets see what Indian Muslims in Bollywood say about Pakistan.

Shahrukh Khan Slams Pakistan | Indian Soldiers Killed @ LOC - YouTube

Javed Akhtar's Warning To Pakistan - YouTube


This is what Javed Akhtar says about Pakistan and Two Nation Theory.

J Akhtar: Pakistan & Two-Nation Theory -1 - YouTube

Just see the OP to understand what they say about india. :lol:
 
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90% left in 1947.What more?
And 10 % left in India grew to size of 150 million whereas 90 % migrated to Pakistan are 180 million. :rofl:

See, who got more care to have more life expectancy, longer life and more kids. :D

This means.....If you know what I mean ? ;)
 
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I criticize Indian policy so that makes me a bad choice for Junior TT. :lol:

I can qoute any statistic you want. You might like to meet me and say the same because there is no debate anyone can have with me. I have reports and information to back every point. I have since a young age opened a newspaper and only been reading it +4+ years of research about various topics concerning Pakistan.

I'm still waiting for you to prove what you said about my posts. Prove it, disown it or always be known as a cowardly liar who shoots & then scoots.
 
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Islamic Countries r preachers of true democracy but need to take yr chashma off of yr Hate Pakistan and Islam to understand that.

and about yr last part............sure it does n so does blind patriotism of Bharat Matta.

true democracy.? then why do the Pakistan hindus run to india.

and why do sunnis kill shias on your country.

plz don't say rubbish just to undermine my country.
 
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:lol: I post Pew Survey of over 1450 Pakistani Muslims where majority don't think Shias are Muslim and you guys say the sample is small.

Dude if you ever visit youtube or other forums you will be amazed by the extent of venom Pakistan Sunnis keep against Pakistanis Shias.
 
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Why India Is Not A Secular State

India is seen as a shining example of a secular state but in reality the Indian state actually privileges Hinduism over other religions and religious communities. The Indian state is in fact the defender of the dharma for at least five reasons.
OMAR KHALIDI

The world community has rightly regarded Pakistan and Bangladesh as examples of theocratic states practicing policies of harsh discrimination against Hindus and other minorities. Sri Lanka’s Singhala-centric policies have generated gross discrimination against its Tamil citizens. Beyond India’s South Asian neighbourhood, numerous Islamic states such as Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia follow unjust policies toward minorities of all kinds that are an affront to civilized values everywhere and at all times. India in contrast is seen as a shining example of a secular state.

With the Republic Day just gone by, it is time to ask: But is India really a secular state?

I do not think so.

Political secularism may be defined as the separation of religious activities from those of the state, customarily referred to as "the separation of church and state" in the west. Secularism in theory then would mean that religion and state cannot occupy the same space. The state in its governmental capacity does not promote any religion or religious group, nor does it intervene in religious affairs. It cannot even be involved in interpretation or "reform" of any religion much less favour one over any other. This model of secularism may be characterized as maximum separation between state and religion except on manifest grounds of morality, health, and public order. Theoretical formulation, interpretation, and implementation of secularism have varied in several countries. In Indian context, the votaries of Hindutva equate it with appeasement of minorities, thus "pseudo-secularism." Apologists of Indian secularism call it "religious equi-distance, not non-involvement," meaning that Indian state is neutral between religions and religious communities.

I demonstrate that in practice, Indian state actually privileges Hinduism over other religions and religious communities. The Indian state is in fact the defender of the dharma for the following five reasons.

1: Constitutional Discrimination

Article 25 (2) of the constitution calls for providing "social welfare and reform and throwing open of Hindu religious institutions of public character to all classes and sections of Hindus." India’s constitution does not define who or what is a Hindu, but it defines followers of Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism as Hindus for purposes of Hindu temple entry. Article 25 (2) (b) (Explanation II) states: "the reference to Hindus shall be construed as including a reference to persons professing the Sikh, Jaina or Buddhist religion…"

Isn’t this the concern of Brahmin establishment to allow or disallow whoever they deem fit to enter a temple? Why should a secular state be concerned with the social welfare of only one religion? The motive of the constitution writers was obvious: to prevent the conversion of Dalits to Christianity or Islam, to "reform" Hinduism to make it palatable to the former untouchables.

The Hindu Marriage Act of 1955 applies to

(a) any person who is a Hindu by religion in any of its forms and developments, including a Virashaiva, a Lingayat or follower of the Brahmo, Prarthana or Arya Samaj;

(b) to any person who is a Buddhist, Jain or Sikh by religion, and

(c) to any person domiciled in the territories who is not a Muslim, Christian, Parsi or Jew by religion.

In other words, legally there is no such thing as a Buddhist, Jain, or Sikh marriage, which is another attempt to deny other religions a distinctive identity and absorb them in the Hindu fold. The Office of the Registrar General that conducts the decennial census enumerates anyone who is not a Christian, Muslim or Parsi as Hindu, most particularly in tribal areas, in pursuance of a policy of Hindu by default to inflate the religious majority.

Article 290A of the Constitution, which was added in 1956, provides for Kerala state funds to be paid for the upkeep of Hindu temples and shrines in the territories of former princely state of Tranvancore. What state but a denominational one would spend government funds to promote a particular religion?

[As an aside, a forest has been destroyed in arguing for a uniform civil code as opposed to Muslim Personal Law and the issue of Haj subsidy. But perhaps I can save those issues for a full discussion at a different time]

2: Legislative Discrimination

Although freedom of religion is granted under the constitution’s Article 25 (1), a Congress government of Madhya Pradesh pioneered anti-conversion legislation during the heyday of Nehru in 1954. Since then as many as 7 state legislatures (Arunachal, Chhattisgarh, Gujarat, Himachal, Orissa, Rajasthan and Tripura) have passed laws severely restricting conversion from Hinduism to other religions while facilitating conversion to Hinduism.

In 1982, when a few hundred Dalits embraced Islam in Meenakshipuram, the central government took measures to curb conversions. No less than Indira Gandhi characterized conversions as a threat to national security.

Christian missions and churches have been under attack since decades, often with state complicity as demonstrated in August-September 2008 in Orissa and Karnataka.

Hundreds of mosques are in illegal possession nationwide including in New Delhi, where scores are occupied by the central government.

It was a Congress government that first locked up the Babari Mosque in 1949 by court order effectively converting it into a Hindu temple. What began under Nehru was successfully completed by Narasimha Rao in 1992 through the Mosque’s destruction under the very nose of army, paramilitary and police. It is ironic that the Indian state is ready to deploy army to flush out Sikh insurgents from Golden Temple and Muslim rebels from Charar-i Sharif, but not protect Babari Mosque from the Hindu mobs’ jack hammers.

The states of Gujarat and UP spent government funds to rebuild the Somanatha Temple around the same time when Babari Mosque was locked up. It was President Rajendra Prasad who inaugurated the rebuilt temple in 1951 amidst official fanfare.

3: Employment Discrimination

Article 16 (2) of the constitution prohibits discrimination in public employment on religious grounds. Yet there are numerous examples of outright discrimination. Per Presidential orders of 1950 and 1956 the beneficiaries of Scheduled Castes’ reservation can only be Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists but not Christians and Muslims. If an SC changes religion after obtaining employment or admission to school, he or she must forfeit job and withdraw from school as has happened in numerous instances. But if the SC reverts to Hinduism, he or she can resume his/her status as an SC as courts have ruled.

Discrimination in Army

Right after 1947, Kashmir’s predominantly Hindu army was absorbed in the national army; whereas Hyderabad’s largely Muslim army was disbanded, rendering nearly 20,000 jobless. The Indian army’s infantry regiments are still based on religion (Sikh regiments), or ethnicity (Gorkha) or caste (Rajput) or region (Garhwal) in which members of other faiths, ethnicities, and regions are barred.

While a bearded Sikh may become chief of the army staff as did Gen. J.J. Singh, a Muslim may not sport beard in any of the armed forces. Only Jhatka is served in army messes and langers forcing Muslims to become vegetarian. A Hanuman temple greets visitors upon entering virtually every cantonment in the nation, hinting non-Hindus that they don’t belong there. In their public addresses to the soldiers and officers, at least two army chiefs—Generals B.C. Joshi and Shankar Roy Chowdhury—have used references to Hindu scriptures to the exclusion of the Quran and the Bible.

4: Cultural Discrimination

There are numerous examples where Hindu culture is conflated with Indian culture. The ban on cow slaughter deprived thousands of butchers their livelihood even as it stole millions of poor their only source of inexpensive protein. Cow may be sacred to the upper castes, but not so to the Christians, Dalits, and Muslims. Food taboos of some higher castes do not end at beef. Beyond beef, eggs may not be sold publicly by court order as it offends some caste sensibilities. Nor can school children bring food of their choice if it offends Hindus.

Official functions of the government whether at the central or state levels often commence with Hindu ceremonies of lighting lamps, breaking coconuts, and recitation of slokas. There is no disapproval to the fact that functions of central and state ministries of education begin with Sarasvati vandana .

In September 1993, Air India took delivery of a Boeing 747 in Seattle, Washington where the Ramakrishna Mission performed a puja invoking Lord Ganesha. Ministers lay foundation stones of government buildings preceded by bhoomi puja ceremony as if the state belongs only to Hindus. In Vishakhapatnam, I witnessed a ship launch amid saffron-robed, ashen faced sadhus singing bhajans, a function nearly mistaken as a Hindu festival.

In a trip to the United States in 1984, AP Chief Minister N.T. Ramarao found nothing objectionable in spending government funds for distributing medallions with Sri Venkateshwara’s image among potential investors in his state.

A large stone image of a reclining Vishnu located at the entrance to the IGP’s headquarters in Bangalore is more fitting for a temple than a secular state’s police building. Almost every police thana in West Bengal has a Kali temple, none has a mosque in a state with nearly 30 percent Muslim population. Muslim police trainees in Andhra Pradesh,

School children in Gujarat, Maharashtra and numerous other states have been forced to perform Surya namaskar against their will. Government school texts in Hindi and regional languages assume all pupils to be Hindu as the contents are soaked with idioms, phrases, signs, symbols, and icons of Hinduism to the exclusion of material from other religions and cultures. Textbooks of history and social studies are replete with gross distortions of Indian history of all eras, ancient, medieval and modern, in which Muslims and Christians are invariably the villains, traitors and foreigners.

Until the advent of television in the 1980s, All India Radio was the main source of information and entertainment to middle classes. The government-controlled AIR began its programs with Vande Mataram, Mangala dhwani, Vandana, and Hindu lyrics. Rarely did AIR broadcast anything pertaining to Christian or Muslim cultures. Like the AIR, during its heyday, seldom does Door Darshan show any serials of Muslim or Christian character. When it broadcasted serials of historical or literary figures—Tipu Sultan, Ghalib—they were caricatured into modern stock characters stripped of their distinctive cultural identity.

5: Religious Pogroms

Finally no modern, secular democracy other than India experienced multiple, state-sponsored pogroms—that of Sikhs in 1984 and of Muslims in 2002. In both instances, the highest in the Executive branch of the government justified the pogroms: Rajiv Gandhi when his mother was murdered; and Narendra Modi when the train burned in Godhra.

For all these five reasons, India is not a secular state. It is in fact the defender of Hindu dharma.

Hyderabad-born, MIT-based Omar Khalidi is the author of Muslims in Indian Economy and Khaki and Ethnic Violence in India.


Why India Is Not A Secular State | Omar Khalidi
 
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90% left in 1947.

What more?



Obviously its too small and it depends on the area also.



Just see the OP to understand what they say about india. :lol:

90%.please improve your GK.
 
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Dude if you ever visit youtube or other forums you will be amazed by the extent of venom Pakistan Sunnis keep against Pakistanis Shias.

Mr. Low cast nomo shudra, you shouldnt worry about Shias in Pakistan. We know your Dalit caste are discriminated in India

Shias in Pakistan are doing MUCH better than Dalits in India or Muslim in India. Shia get more representation than Sunnis in Army & govt. Compare that with India where a 2% Sikh population has more influence in the govt & Army than 15% Muslims, and a 2% Sikh population has been elected PM, but a 15% Muslim pop. is yet to be elected as PM.
 
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Why Shahrukh had this problem? Why Salmaan, Amir do not have this problem. Was this something to do with what SRK said regarding IPL and Pakistan?

It doesn't matter until and unless SRK seeks Asylum in the land of the pure on account of "Religious Persecution" in India. Let him do that then we will talk. Till then only Pakistani Hindus seeking Asylum in India and oh well Adnan Sami also ... tells a different story of the "Land of the Looooooooosers" !!!
 
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And 10 % left in India grew to size of 150 million whereas 90 % migrated to Pakistan are 180 million. :rofl:

See, who got more care to have more life expectancy, longer life and more kids. :D

This means.....If you know what I mean ? ;)

Explained you a 1000 times Pakistan plus Bangladesh plus urdu speaking in Pakistan.

90%.please improve your GK.

Explained you a 1000 times Pakistan plus Bangladesh plus urdu speaking in Pakistan.
 
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Why India Is Not A Secular StateHyderabad-born, MIT-based Omar Khalidi is the author of Muslims in Indian Economy and Khaki and Ethnic Violence in India.[/B]

Why India Is Not A Secular State | Omar Khalidi
Yup, there is why 3 Chief Justice of Supreme Court are Muslim, Vice President in Muslim, Prime Minister is Sikh, biggest movie stars are Three Khans, Leader of Ruling Congress party is Christian. :lol:

Can you tell me 5 people from minorities in Pakistan who have these type of Highest posts ?

Whenever you talk of nation of size of 1.2 billion people, 1/7 of total population, keep this number always in account.

Explained you a 1000 times Pakistan plus Bangladesh plus urdu speaking in Pakistan.
Explained you a 1000 times Pakistan plus Bangladesh plus urdu speaking in Pakistan.
OK add BD population too. Lets take all Asian and South Asian Muslims including Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Indonesia, Burma and Malaysia. equal to 600 million. (which is way high number as assumption considering there are total 1.5 billion Muslims).

Still look at Number of Muslims in India is 1/4 th of total Population of Muslims in all these country.

Now add up Muslims killed in last 10 years in India and these countries. Lets talk of major Events. Ignore American and NATO killings. Shall we ?
 
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