Shabqadar: 87 killed, dozen injured in twin explosions

[Capt.Popeye]

I don't care what will happen. I want these bast@rds from US and NATO to leave Afghanistan. IF they don't leave kill the, slaughter them. They deserve anything but being alive. They are the ones responsible for all these deaths. All the deaths are because of these mofos. Kill them. That's it.

Then in that case, there is nothing to be done; just sit back and enjoy the show in the "killing fields".
While all the while praying fervently that the next guy to be killed is not you or someone near and dear to you.
While this kind of threads keep appearing on PDF.
And people say RIP.

 

[Perceptron]

You're mistaken, it was the US that dragged Pakistan into this whole Islamists war & extremism.

Instead of acting as a terrorist apologist and blaming the US for the WOT, the need of the hour is for Pakistanis is to embrace this WoT whole-heartedly and fight the war that's been their doing in part. You can spin yarns till the cows come home, but by then you won't have a side to choose and the jihadis will start moving in the cities in their quest to blow Pakistan apart. What you are suggesting is to keep a girl under lock and key because she was molested and instead not go after the molester. Yes, there maybe would-be -molesters by the dozens, but it does not mean you do not incriminate the molester.

 

[53fd]

You think it makes sense? Hedging bets against terrorists and not root them out altogether?

Seriously?

Instead of acting as a terrorist apologist and blaming the US for the WOT, the need of the hour is for Pakistanis is to embrace this WoT whole-heartedly and fight the war that's been their doing in part. You can spin yarns till the cows come home, but by then you won't have a side to choose and the jihadis will start moving in the cities in their quest to blow Pakistan apart. What you are suggesting is to keep a girl under lock and key because she was molested and instead not go after the molester. Yes, there maybe would-be -molesters by the dozens, but it does not mean you do not incriminate the molester.

The point of the matter is that the US does not want to engage its troops in the Afghan safe havens of Nuristan, Kunar, Khost, Paktia, Logar where terrorists get refuge; but want Pakistan to conduct ground operations in the adjacent North Waziristan. The US has focused all its efforts in Kandahar, that is a walk in the park compared to the safe havens in Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda still has a stronghold in Nuristan & Kunar, which is where groups such as the TSNM & TTP get their sanctuary as well, as the TSNM/TTP are allied with the Al-Qaeda. The US can afford not to send troops into Nuristan, Kunar, Khost, Paktia, Logar; because it can bomb North Waziristan through drone strikes, & then the terrorists in North Waziristan attack Pakistan. If Pakistan starts a ground operation in North Waziristan, & the US doesn't in the adjacent Khost province in Afghanistan; the terrorists from North Waziristan will flee into their safe haven in Khost. Pakistan Army conducted operations against Qari Zia Rehman's group in Bajaur in 2008, & the terrorist fled from Bajur into their safe havens of Kunar & Nuristan where they regrouped. Unfortunately, it is the US that is not serious in fighting this WOT.

 

[Desertfalcon]

What are you smoking? The US financed the creation of the Madrassahs, & the Madrassahs created the Mujahideen, by indoctrinating them to the Wahabi ideology coming from Saudi Arabia. It was the US & Saudi Arabia that created the Mujahideen. Pakistan only gave these Mujahideen to combat the Soviets.

We didn't create them. The Soviets created them with their invasion of that country. Do your really beleive that there was NO Afghani resistance until the CIA got there? We supplied them just as your country did and I'm sorry, but it must be you who are smoking something. We opposed the groups that became the Taliban and opposed al-Qaeda. The Northern Alliance and men like Ahmad Shah Massoud are who we supported and they were targets of the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

 

[Desertfalcon]

Instead of acting as a terrorist apologist and blaming the US for the WOT, the need of the hour is for Pakistanis is to embrace this WoT whole-heartedly and fight the war that's been their doing in part. You can spin yarns till the cows come home, but by then you won't have a side to choose and the jihadis will start moving in the cities in their quest to blow Pakistan apart. What you are suggesting is to keep a girl under lock and key because she was molested and instead not go after the molester. Yes, there maybe would-be -molesters by the dozens, but it does not mean you do not incriminate the molester.

Yes. Exactly.

 

[53fd]

We didn't create them. The Soviets created them with their invasion of that country. Do your really beleive that there was NO Afghani resistance until the CIA got there? We supplied them just as your country did and I'm sorry, but it must be you who are smoking something. We opposed the groups that became the Taliban and opposed al-Qaeda. The Northern Alliance and men like Ahmad Shah Massoud are who we supported and they were targets of the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

The Madrassahs created the Mujahideen, the Madrassahs were created by Saudi Wahabi ideology & US money. What do you mean you opposed the groups that became Taliban? You clearly don't know what you're talking about. The US supported the Mujahideen (that had OBL, Mullah Omar), & the Mujahideen split up after the Soviet war in the 90s. OBL formed the Al-Qaeda. Mullah Omar formed the Taliban. The US supported both of them at the time of the Mujahideen. Haqqani was also part of the Mujahideen that the US supported against the Soviets, & he formed the Haqqani network in the 90s as well, that the US opposes now.

The Northern Alliance were created in 90s, at the end of the Soviet war, just like the Taliban, Al-Qaeda & other groups were. All these groups are direct off-shoot of the Mujahideen, & the US created the Mujahideen. To summarize, Mullah Omar, OBL, Haqqani, Masood were all part of the Mujahideen that the US created in the 80s & supported. After the Soviet War in the 90s, the US left the region. The Mujahideen split & formed their own factions/groups: OBL formed the Al-Qaeda, Mullah Omar formed the Taliban, Masood formed the Northern Alliance, Haqqani formed the Haqqani network etc. It was the US that created all these monsters with the creation of the Mujahideen, & left Pakistan & Afghanistan by themselves to deal with them by themselves.

 

[architect_cobb]

The Madrassahs created the Mujahideen, the Madrassahs were created by Saudi Wahabi ideology & US money. What do you mean you opposed the groups that became Taliban? You clearly don't know what you're talking about. The US supported the Mujahideen (that had OBL, Mullah Omar), & the Mujahideen split up after the Soviet war in the 90s. OBL formed the Al-Qaeda. Mullah Omar formed the Taliban. The US supported both of them at the time of the Mujahideen. Haqqani was also part of the Mujahideen that the US supported against the Soviets, & he formed the Haqqani network in the 90s as well, that the US opposes now.

The Northern Alliance were created in 90s, at the end of the Soviet war, just like the Taliban, Al-Qaeda & other groups were. All these groups are direct off-shoot of the Mujahideen, & the US created the Mujahideen. To summarize, Mullah Omar, OBL, Haqqani, Masood were all part of the Mujahideen that the US created in the 80s & supported. After the Soviet War in the 90s, the US left the region. The Mujahideen split & formed their own factions/groups: OBL formed the Al-Qaeda, Mullah Omar formed the Taliban, Masood formed the Northern Alliance, Haqqani formed the Haqqani network etc. It was the US that created all these monsters with the creation of the Mujahideen, & left Pakistan & Afghanistan by themselves to deal with them by themselves.

Again who allowed those US dollars and Saudi ideology to infiltrate Pakistani society in the 80s. Even if your hypothesis of US/Saudi collusion is true, why did the right wingers including JI and its off shoots the conservatives and the establishment give them a free hand to do so.

If you let your neighbor into your house and allow him to provide drugs to your kids under your watch, who is more responsible for this act you or your neighbor?

 

[Perceptron]

The point of the matter is that the US does not want to engage its troops in the Afghan safe havens of Nuristan, Kunar, Khost, Paktia, Logar where terrorists get refuge; but want Pakistan to conduct ground operations in the adjacent North Waziristan. The US has focused all its efforts in Kandahar, that is a walk in the park compared to the safe havens in Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda still has a stronghold in Nuristan & Kunar, which is where groups such as the TSNM & TTP get their sanctuary as well, as the TSNM/TTP are allied with the Al-Qaeda. The US can afford not to send troops into Nuristan, Kunar, Khost, Paktia, Logar; because it can bomb North Waziristan through drone strikes, & then the terrorists in North Waziristan attack Pakistan. If Pakistan starts a ground operation in North Waziristan, & the US doesn't in the adjacent Khost province in Afghanistan; the terrorists from North Waziristan will flee into their safe haven in Khost. Pakistan Army conducted operations against Qari Zia Rehman's group in Bajaur in 2008, & the terrorist fled from Bajur into their safe havens of Kunar & Nuristan where they regrouped. Unfortunately, it is the US that is not serious in fighting this WOT.

Can you with credible documented proofs in the form of neutral sources about the current US troop positioning in the Afghan provinces you mentioned, and also about the strength of the Taliban and the ANA in the provinces along with activity maps and timelines prove your claim ? Also, i do not get this point, if and when the PA conducts any operations in NW, the chances of fleeing to SW and Balochistan are as much possible as the chances of fleeing to Afghanistan ; So if the terrorists regroup in SW, who's to blame for that ? The NATO again ?

 

[53fd]

Its not he who's smoking something but those who allowed those US dollars and Saudi ideology to infiltrate Pakistani society in the 80s. Even if your hypothesis of US/Saudi collusion is true, why did the right wingers including JI and its off shoots the conservatives and the establishment give them a free hand to do so.

If you let your neighbor into your house and allow him to provide drugs to your kids under your watch, who is more responsible for this act you or your neighbor?

As I said, after the US & Saudi Arabia created the monster known as the Mujahideen, the mother of all the groups today, the US left the region in the 90s after victory over the Soviets; & it was Pakistan & Afghanistan that to deal with all the children (the groups that off-shooted from the Mujahideen, such as the Taliban, Al-Qaeda) of their mother. So, if the mother had never been created by the US in the 80s, Pakistan/Afghanistan would have never seen the children today. The US acted like the perfect father that abandons his family, which is what it did after it created the mother (Mujahideen), & left Pakistan/Afghanistan to deal with all the children (Al-Qaeda, Taliban) of the mother.

 

[architect_cobb]

As I said, after the US & Saudi Arabia created the monster known as the Mujahideen, the mother of all the groups today, the US left the region in the 90s after victory over the Soviets; & it was Pakistan & Afghanistan that to deal with all the children (the groups that off-shooted from the Mujahideen, such as the Taliban, Al-Qaeda) of their mother. So, if the mother had never been created by the US in the 80s, Pakistan/Afghanistan would have never seen the children today. The US acted like the perfect father that abandons his family, which is what it did after it created the mother (Mujahideen), & left Pakistan/Afghanistan to deal with all the children (Al-Qaeda, Taliban) of the mother.

1) I am asking you why did you let these so called Mujahideen and Saudi ideology infiltrate the society. Iran also had its share of refugees but neither these refugees not US nor Saudis were given a free hand. We were not the only country bordering Afghanistan.

2) Even if the mother was created by US it was created by Pakistani consent you please dont simply shift the blame.

3) When US left the region you decided to play a game bigger than you. You decided to use them as strategic assets against India. it was a move bound to backfire. You decided to assault Jalaabad under the orders of Hamid Gul led by Hikmatyar. You wanted to annex Afghanistan as your fifth province or atleast use it as strategic depth. What were the Pakistani policy makers thinking when they were planning all this. And when they were planning about these utopian strategic depth and assets the same groups were poisoning your whole society.

3) By funding these groups after US left you didn't gain any strategic depth but signed your own death warrant.

 

[53fd]

Can you with credible documented proofs in the form of neutral sources

Sure. Read this, to get an idea about the safe havens in Nuristan & Kunar:

http://www.understandingwar.org/files/Afghanistan_Report_1.pdf

Also, i do not get this point, if and when the PA conducts any operations in NW, the chances of fleeing to SW and Balochistan are as much possible as the chances of fleeing to Afghanistan ; So if the terrorists regroup in SW, who's to blame for that ? The NATO again ?

If you are familiar with Pashtun culture & that region, you would know that the tribes of North Waziristan & Khost are one. Various groups are allied with each other in terms of their tribal affiliations, which is why a terrorist from North Waziristan gets refuge in Khost, Afghanistan; or a terrorist in Bajaur/Mohmand agency gets refuge in Kunar & Nuristan. It is based on their tribal affiliations, & there is practically no border between North Waziristan & Khost. The Durand Line is like the equator: an imaginary line. There are also tribal clashes between different tribes from time to time.

 

[tallboy123]

wat is this???

Wahabi ideology coming from Saudi Arabia.

 

[53fd]

Again who allowed those US dollars and Saudi ideology to infiltrate Pakistani society in the 80s. Even if your hypothesis of US/Saudi collusion is true, why did the right wingers including JI and its off shoots the conservatives and the establishment give them a free hand to do so.

If you let your neighbor into your house and allow him to provide drugs to your kids under your watch, who is more responsible for this act you or your neighbor?

You seem to forget, at that time, the Mujahideen (the mother of all the terrorist groups in the region today) were being lauded as heroes by the US & the whole world. The fact of the matter is that the US abandoned responsibility & left the region, leaving Pakistan/Afghanistan to deal with everything, just like a father abandons his family. So it is entirely the fault of the US, & I don't even know what you are arguing about anymore. If the US had not created the mother of all the terrorist groups 'the Mujahideen', you would not see all the children (Taliban, Al-Qaeda) in Pakistan & Afghanistan today. So the US is responsible for this whole mess.

 

[53fd]

1) I am asking you why did you let these so called Mujahideen and Saudi ideology infiltrate the society. Iran also had its share of refugees but neither these refugees not US nor Saudis were given a free hand. We were not the only country bordering Afghanistan.

2) Even if the mother was created by US it was created by Pakistani consent you please dont simply shift the blame.

3) When US left the region you decided to play a game bigger than you. You decided to use them as strategic assets against India. it was a move bound to backfire. You decided to assault Jalaabad under the orders of Hamid Gul led by Hikmatyar. You wanted to annex Afghanistan as your fifth province or atleast use it as strategic depth. What were the Pakistani policy makers thinking when they were planning all this. And when they were planning about these utopian strategic depth and assets the same groups were poisoning your whole society.

3) By funding these groups after US left you didn't gain any strategic depth but signed your own death warrant.

Someone has got to do something about these Indian trolls that make multiple accounts with Pakistani flags on their profiles.

 

[Trisonics]

I think people need to take a step back and quit pointing fingers at this time. It was a well established fact that something would happen after the capture of OBL. This looks to be another intelligence failure. I'm surprised that not one person here has questioned security steps taken throughout the country. While it may be difficult to stop every terrorist attack it should not be difficult to make their task harder.