Sensitive Data of Indian Navy’s Scorpene Class Submarines Leaked

[Aero]

Not yet bro.. most of the payments are delayed and on hold due to project delay and not meeting the milestones... If Idnia does cancel and freeze it out, DCNS stands to lose more than 50% + of its dues and the reputation loss will be much more..

India will also have bank guarantee till we get all subs.

 

[Shankranthi]

India will also have bank guarantee till we get all subs.

LOL. What good is that if we get all the subs but our enemies know how to defeat them ?

 

[GuardianRED]

Its opportunity cost you idiot. The delay in Scorpene has already cost IN much.

Now that we have spent a fortune in learning how to build a scorpene, we find out its operational effectiveness has been reduced by half due to sensitive leaks.

So now if we spend more money building more scorpene, it means we are only getting half the worth for All the money.

So whatever choice we make now it is going to smell like corruption and opposition can make the claim either way.

That only IF GOI goes and does something stupid and cancels the Deals . Otherwise it is business as usual on the production front!

 

[Olaf One-Brow]

LOL. What good is that if we get all the subs but our enemies know how to defeat them ?

It's a submarine. I'm pretty sure we already know how to handle them.

In fact, let me enlighten you on ways to do it:

https://defence.pk/threads/so-you-want-to-detect-a-submarine.362636/

 

[PARIKRAMA]

India will also have bank guarantee till we get all subs.

yes of course but PBG will be a very small portion..basically the milestone based payments wont get released..

Unfortunately Scopene has much localization and thus a cancellation hits our local MIC very very hard...

Thats why i said arm twisting and get something additional for free in order to complete this deal ...

At this time, the loss to exchequer , local MIC, Mazgaon Dock, people working on it and Indian Navy underwater capability all will make the GOI arm twist.. as no other solution is there..

 

[Spectre]

LOL. What good is that if we get all the subs but our enemies know how to defeat them ?

It depends on how the contract is drafted, what are the covenants, how the EoD (event of default) is defined.

If provision is there to declare event of default and hence breach of contract based on disclosure of sensitive/classified material by DCNS then guarantee cannot be en-cashed by DCNS.

However in absence of contract, it is tough to say

 

[GuardianRED]

LOL. What good is that if we get all the subs but our enemies know how to defeat them ?

There is a LOT more than a leak of some manuals to defeat a Sub , and conjecture is NOT ONE of THEM!

 

[Shankranthi]

That only IF GOI goes and does something stupid and cancels the Deals . Otherwise it is business as usual on the production front!

As I said, if the IN wants to continue to deal with DCS after this then they must be world class morons. Worse, the world will see them as world class morons.

 

[Spectre]

As I said, if the IN wants to continue to deal with DCS after this then they must be world class morons. Worse, the world will see them as world class morons.

That is true, under no circumstances it can be business as usual. I just pray that leak is not from Indian side. If yes, then there would be hell to pay.

 

[GuardianRED]

As I said, if the IN wants to continue to deal with DCS after this then they must be world class morons. Worse, the world will see them as world class morons.

How is the IN the morons! , you are definitely losing the plot here! or u like to use the word morons!?

That is true, under no circumstances it can be business as usual. I just pray that leak is not from Indian side. If yes, then there would be hell to pay.

yes A couple of manuals will bring down the IN!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

isi...........mowaahahahahah.
ok jokes over. but if the data was leaked and an aussie paper got it then what are the chances your western neighbour has said data too? just a thought.

besides sleep well india they have the diesal engines not the drdo aip. i doubt the french have the specs for the aip? right @PARIKRAMA ?

AIP only is for endurance.

 

[Shankranthi]

It depends on how the contract is drafted, what are the covenants, how the EoD (event of default) is defined.

If provision is there to declare event of default and hence breach of contract based on disclosure of sensitive/classified material by DCNS then guarantee cannot be en-cashed by DCNS.

However in absence of contract, it is tough to say

This mess it beyond the contract.

It strike at the root of our relationship with France. How can we trust France anymore with our security secrets ? Even if the EoD is defined and French refuse to own up, (which I am pretty sure they will) are we going to go into arbitration ?

In European courts ? (which will favour france) (remember italian marines?)

IN were PARTNERS with DCNS. This is not a contract mess. Its a mess with strong political, economic, strategic and military angle. Its one huge smelly poop.

 

[Nilgiri]

yes of course but PBG will be a very small portion..basically the milestone based payments wont get released..

Unfortunately Scopene has much localization and thus a cancellation hits our local MIC very very hard...

Thats why i said arm twisting and get something additional for free in order to complete this deal ...

At this time, the loss to exchequer , local MIC, Mazgaon Dock, people working on it and Indian Navy underwater capability all will make the GOI arm twist.. as no other solution is there..

I think its just a media over-dramatization that seems to have come from some manual being passed around like you mentioned earlier.

A lot of these kinds of documents often have adjuncts that add what specific proposed changes may be for individual customers (to sell on the fact it can be customised etc)....having read a few myself. For Scorpene, India, Malaysia and others obviously would be included in these....so some fancy words may have stuck out to a media type that got his hands on it.

I really doubt anything really sensitive would be found in such....I mean any country can ask DCNS for such a manual in a RFP to begin with.

Anyways lets wait and see what happens.

Will be interested to see what @Vergennes and @Taygibay and @BON PLAN have to say.

 

[Shankranthi]

There is a LOT more than a leak of some manuals to defeat a Sub , and conjecture is NOT ONE of THEM!

So you believe that it was a 22,000 page manual ?

And you are sure that there is nothing more leaked beyond those pages ? ............. your faith is truly touching.

 

[Blue Marlin]

AIP only is for endurance.

and stealth