thanks for clearing it up but if the data wa taken out of france in 2011 then why was it being leaked 5 years later?
LOL... are you expecting the complete result of this investigation into a defence leak in the public domain ?
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I remember it was a taboo subject last we touched upon it
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No really,I am. Well, not defense company
If only people know whats written really
First the article
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Our French submarine builder in massive leak scandal
The Indian Navy’s first Scorpene submarine in Mumbai last year.
The French company that won the bid to design Australia’s new $50 billion submarine fleet has suffered a massive leak of secret documents, raising fears about the future security of top-secret data on the navy’s future fleet.
- The Australian
- 12:00AM August 24, 2016
- CAMERON STEWART
Associate Editor
Melbourne
@camstewarttheoz
The stunning leak, which runs to 22,400 pages and has been seen by The Australian, details the entire secret combat capability of the six Scorpene-class submarines that French shipbuilder DCNS has designed for the Indian Navy.
A variant of the same French-designed Scorpene is also used by the navies of Malaysia, Chile and, from 2018, Brazil, so news of the Edward Snowden-sized leak — revealed today — will trigger alarm at the highest level in these countries. Marked “Restricted Scorpene India”, the DCNS documents detail the most sensitive combat capabilities of India’s new $US3 bn ($3.9bn) submarine fleet and would provide an intelligence bonanza if obtained by India’s strategic rivals, such as Pakistan or China.
The leak will spark grave concern in Australia and especially in the US where senior navy officials have privately expressed fears about the security of top-secret data entrusted to France.
In April DCNS, which is two-thirds owned by the French government, won the hotly contested bid over Germany and Japan to design 12 new submarines for Australia. Its proposed submarine for Australia — the yet-to-be-built Shortfin Barracuda — was chosen ahead of its rivals because it was considered to be the quietest in the water, making it perfectly suited to intelligence-gathering operations against China and others in the region.
Any stealth advantage for the navy’s new submarines would be gravely compromised if data on its planned combat and performance capabilities was leaked in the same manner as the data from the Scorpene. The leaked DCNS data details the secret stealth capabilities of the six new Indian submarines, including what frequencies they gather intelligence at, what levels of noise they make at various speeds and their diving depths, range and endurance — all sensitive information that is highly classified. The data tells the submarine crew where on the boat they can speak safely to avoid detection by the enemy. It also discloses magnetic, electromagnetic and infra-red data as well as the specifications of the submarine’s torpedo launch system and the combat system.
It details the speed and conditions needed for using the periscope, the noise specifications of the propeller and the radiated noise levels that occur when the submarine surfaces.
The data seen by The Australian includes 4457 pages on the submarine’s underwater sensors, 4209 pages on its above-water sensors, 4301 pages on its combat management system, 493 pages on its torpedo launch system and specifications, 6841 pages on the sub’s communications system and 2138 on its navigation systems.
The Australian has chosen to redact sensitive information from the documents.
Sea trials for the first of India’s six Scorpene submarines began in May. The project is running four years behind schedule.
The Indian Navy has boasted that its Scorpene submarines have superior stealth features, which give them a major advantage against other submarines.
The US will be alarmed by the leak of the DCNS data because Australia hopes to install an American combat system — with the latest US stealth technology — in the French Shortfin Barracuda.
If Washington does not feel confident that its “crown jewels’’ of stealth technology can be protected, it may decline to give Australia its state-of-the-art combat system.
DCNS yesterday sought to reassure Australians that the leak of the data on the Indian Scorpene submarine would not happen with its proposed submarine for Australia. The company also implied — but did not say directly — that the leak might have occurred at India’s end, rather than from France. “Uncontrolled technical data is not possible in the Australian arrangements,” the company said. “Multiple and independent controls exist within DCNS to prevent unauthorised access to data and all data movements are encrypted and recorded. In the case of India, where a DCNS design is built by a local company, DCNS is the provider and not the controller of technical data.
“In the case of Australia, and unlike India, DCNS is both the provider and in-country controller of technical data for the full chain of transmission and usage over the life of the submarines.”
However, The Australian has been told that the data on the Scorpene was written in France for India in 2011 and is suspected of being removed from France in that same year by a former French Navy officer who was at that time a DCNS subcontractor.
The data is then believed to have been taken to a company in Southeast Asia, possibly to assist in a commercial venture for a regional navy.
It was subsequently passed by a third party to a second company in the region before being sent on a data disk by regular mail to a company in Australia. It is unclear how widely the data has been shared in Asia or whether it has been obtained by foreign intelligence agencies.
The data seen by The Australian also includes separate confidential DCNS files on plans to sell French frigates to Chile and the French sale of the Mistral-class amphibious assault ship carrier to Russia. These DCNS projects have no link to India, which adds weight to the probability that the data files were removed from DCNS in France.
DCNS Australia this month signed a deed of agreement with the Defence Department, paving the way for talks over the contract which will guide the design phase of the new submarines. The government plans to build 12 submarines in Adelaide to replace the six-boat Collins-class fleet from the early 2030s. The Shortfin Barracuda will be a slightly shorter, conventionally powered version of France’s new fleet of Barracuda-class nuclear submarines.
Restricted data
The secret information the leaked documents reveal:
• The stealth capabilities of the six new Indian Scorpene submarines
• The frequencies at which the subs gather intelligence
• The levels of noise the subs make at various speeds
• Diving depths, range and endurance
• Magnetic, electromagnetic and infra-red data
• Specifications of the submarine’s torpedo launch system and the combat system
• Speed and conditions needed for using the periscope
• Propeller’s noise specifications
• Radiated noise levels when the submarine surfaces
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Whats the data leaked really and whats the preview the newspaper gave out..
View attachment 328351
thats the cover of 1st PDF it has attached to showcase reference
What do you expect technical manuals to have within? Of course technical side of how to operate and troubleshoot basic things..
Buy any electronic device even an apple iphone, wont you get technical manuals? yes a repair guy would have more detailed circuit board level stuff but that is for trouble shooting.. and Manuals dont have circuits.. its basically process of how to operate and what to do in case its a trouble/issue.. teh flowchart of steps really.. not for building a sub with details of metallurgy or so called other technological stuff which can be replicated..
the second pdf talks about acoustic noise under certain conditions (lol sea state 1 meaning super calm bright sunny weather with no problems) noise levels in different compartment. Smartass folks forget the sub testing is done to check acoustic noise seen within individual compartments during sea trials to see if build of the sub matches with the laid out details or not and thus acoustic noise is measured for each portion in different conditions. So if we measure X, will not be there a reference to check and say yes it conforms to the build quality as laid and contracted by DCNS with GOI.. These are called as guaranteed noise levels... anything beyond those levels and sub goes back to do more insulation and may not get quality certification iuf consistently it breaches those guaranteed stuff for anything and everything..
the third part and biggest chunk, comprising of 2342 pages and are actually documentation manual of the parts and training documents.
In simple words, if i get documentation manuals, technical manuals and training manuals can i build scorpene sub? Can i reverse engineer it? Can i compromise, cripple and make scorpene sub useless?
Its height of stupidity really.. yes someone leaked but again its not really the core critical stuff.. We must plug the leak source but The Australian is using the vested interest angle to rub DCNS in a wrong way.. The way it is, its clear they dont want DCNS to ink the contract of SEA1000. Perhaps this might turn out to be a case of yellow journalism with intentional espionage and leakage by Rivals of DCNS.
As far as India is concerned, these manuals are written in 2010-2011.. Kalavari is on sea trials now.. You know even for LCA tejas there will be 5000 pages of technical manuals.. its for pilots training, for basic repair crew etc.. same its for sailors and crew.. Nothing so sensitive is shared in manuals in the first place.. mostly the doc set of captain may have sensitive some frequencies for communication but that is never going to be shared with normal manuals nor codes for torpedo launch or sensitive Battle Management system codes etc..
This is a clear case of poor attempt to drag a company to score brownie points (Anti Turnbull group) and use DCNS and India names to glorify the case and grab eyeballs.. Thats my assessment after going through the prelim data ..
Tagging the whole world.. its time such news items are given the right place.. sensationalism at its best..
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It still is, and I'll have to do bad and completely deniable things to you if we get into too much detail.
When did we last get into it by the way? I've been gone for a while, as per usual and don't remember having this discussion
Not really. There are far better options that we leveraged.
Options for gathering useful signatures beyond the usual ones. I'd really have to kill you for getting into that discussion though
could be the usa still pushing for japan. or jpan pushing for japan or a foreign inteligance agency who want to cause probelms to india, france and austrailia.
