Selig S. Harrison’s Lying Bastard

[Patriot]

Well the asshole has been busted now!Admitted his own mistake and you know indians were jumping as if he is their daddy.
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China in Pakistan

Selig S. Harrison’s article “China’s discreet hold on Pakistan’s Northern Borderlands” (Views, Aug. 27) has no basis in fact.

The facts are: The Karakoram Highway, which connects China’s Xinjiang region with Pakistan’s Gilgit-Baltistan region, was constructed by Chinese and Pakistani engineers over a long period of time and completed in 1986. This is a historical fact. Parts of the highway, the highest paved international road, were destroyed, as was most of Pakistan’s infrastructure, by the recent deadly floods. Landslides at Attabad in the Hunza Valley cut off all links to Gilgit-Baltistan, making it difficult for the government to ensure timely provision of the people’s needs.

Pakistan therefore sought urgent help from friendly countries, including China, whose engineers have the necessary experience, to repair the damage on this critically important highway. But Mr. Harrison chose to describe Chinese engineers as army troops. Why he has tried to mislead your readers, is something he must explain.

Mian Jahangir Iqbal,New York Press Counselor Permanent mission of Pakistan to the United Nations

Selig S. Harrison responds

Western and regional intelligence sources say that there has been an influx of construction, engineering and communication units of the People’s Liberation Army into Gilgit-Baltistan, under the command of the Xinjiang military district, totaling at least 7,000 military personnel. This is confirmed by local political groups opposed to both Pakistani military rule and to the Chinese influx whose credibility is verified by Pakistani journalists, such as the Balawaristan National Front, the Gilgit-Baltistan Democratic Alliance, the All-Party National Alliance and the Gilgit-Baltistan Thinkers Forum.

In addition, several thousand P.L.A. troops are said to be stationed in the Khunjerab Pass on the Xinjiang border to protect Karakoram Highway construction crews, with ready access to Gilgit-Baltistan.

True, the Chinese in Gilgit-Baltistan are not combat soldiers, and their work on flood relief and economic development has positive benefits. But the impact of such a large foreign presence in a thinly populated, undeveloped region has been profound. With large amounts of money to dispense for subcontracts and support services, P.L.A. officers have become powerful, striking alliances with Pakistan-sponsored local functionaries, Pakistani bureaucrats and Pakistani businessmen who are profiting from more than 200 mining and other Chinese-run projects.

To local political activists, this adds up to a creeping process of de facto Chinese control over a region where Islamabad claims nominal authority but lacks the infrastructure to exercise it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/opinion/09iht-edletters.html?_r=1

 

[muse]

Don't see any Indians on the thread - Mods should post this response on every thread Indians posted over and over again - Mods should ask whether it is OK to defame and lie - even if the NYT (Suprise) does it.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Well the asshole has been busted now!Admitted his own mistake and you know indians were jumping as if he is their daddy.
--
China in Pakistan

Selig S. Harrison’s article “China’s discreet hold on Pakistan’s Northern Borderlands” (Views, Aug. 27) has no basis in fact.

The facts are: The Karakoram Highway, which connects China’s Xinjiang region with Pakistan’s Gilgit-Baltistan region, was constructed by Chinese and Pakistani engineers over a long period of time and completed in 1986. This is a historical fact. Parts of the highway, the highest paved international road, were destroyed, as was most of Pakistan’s infrastructure, by the recent deadly floods. Landslides at Attabad in the Hunza Valley cut off all links to Gilgit-Baltistan, making it difficult for the government to ensure timely provision of the people’s needs.

Pakistan therefore sought urgent help from friendly countries, including China, whose engineers have the necessary experience, to repair the damage on this critically important highway. But Mr. Harrison chose to describe Chinese engineers as army troops. Why he has tried to mislead your readers, is something he must explain.

Mian Jahangir Iqbal,New York Press Counselor Permanent mission of Pakistan to the United Nations

Selig S. Harrison responds

Western and regional intelligence sources say that there has been an influx of construction, engineering and communication units of the People’s Liberation Army into Gilgit-Baltistan, under the command of the Xinjiang military district, totaling at least 7,000 military personnel. This is confirmed by local political groups opposed to both Pakistani military rule and to the Chinese influx whose credibility is verified by Pakistani journalists, such as the Balawaristan National Front, the Gilgit-Baltistan Democratic Alliance, the All-Party National Alliance and the Gilgit-Baltistan Thinkers Forum.

In addition, several thousand P.L.A. troops are said to be stationed in the Khunjerab Pass on the Xinjiang border to protect Karakoram Highway construction crews, with ready access to Gilgit-Baltistan.

True, the Chinese in Gilgit-Baltistan are not combat soldiers, and their work on flood relief and economic development has positive benefits. But the impact of such a large foreign presence in a thinly populated, undeveloped region has been profound. With large amounts of money to dispense for subcontracts and support services, P.L.A. officers have become powerful, striking alliances with Pakistan-sponsored local functionaries, Pakistani bureaucrats and Pakistani businessmen who are profiting from more than 200 mining and other Chinese-run projects.

To local political activists, this adds up to a creeping process of de facto Chinese control over a region where Islamabad claims nominal authority but lacks the infrastructure to exercise it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/opinion/09iht-edletters.html?_r=1

I've already stomped on Harrison on another topic and flailed him on Sinodefence. I guess now is time for a bit of sniper rifle action:

 

[bandit]

Don't see any Indians on the thread - Mods should post this response on every thread Indians posted over and over again - Mods should ask whether it is OK to defame and lie - even if the NYT (Suprise) does it.

No need to call out the Indians on this, there have been a million anti-India threads on far less credible sources here than NYT.

I still don't see where he admits he's wrong, he just says the aren't combat troops but they do come under troops as well don't they?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I've already stomped on Harrison on another topic and flailed him on Sinodefence. I guess now is time for a bit of sniper rifle action:

cocck that Dragonov and/or Bushmaster, brother!!

干杯

 

[CardSharp]

No need to call out the Indians on this, there have been a million anti-India threads on far less credible sources here than NYT.

I still don't see where he admits he's wrong, he just says the aren't combat troops but they do come under troops as well don't they?

I agree there's no need for petty score settling but this Harrison guy is still missing the point. The PLA is not your conventional army, combat is only part of its responsibilities, it has dedicated disaster relief and construction corps. That is what is in Pakistan right now, any attempts to imply that these are there to help the Pakistanis against the Indians in JK is a lie out of ignorance (the worse kind of lie).

 

[siegecrossbow]

I still don't see where he admits he's wrong, he just says the aren't combat troops but they do come under troops as well don't they?

Not only is Mr. Harrison not admitting that he made a mistake but he is also trying to, unabashedly, sneak in a bit of anti-China propagation as well. Read this and tell me what you think:

But the impact of such a large foreign presence in a thinly populated, undeveloped region has been profound. With large amounts of money to dispense for subcontracts and support services, P.L.A. officers have become powerful, striking alliances with Pakistan-sponsored local functionaries

Those damned Chinese are overwhelming Pakistan with shovels and bulldozers.



Sorry can't resist taking another shot.

 

[bandit]

I agree there's no need for petty score settling but this Harrison guy is still missing the point. The PLA is not your conventional army, combat is only part of its responsibilities, it has dedicated disaster relief and construction corps. That is what is in Pakistan right now, any attempts to imply that these are there to help the Pakistanis against the Indians in JK is a lie out of ignorance (the worse kind of lie).

I agree, the way that article was worded was wrong. If he knew they were engineer corps and still insinuated Chinese were getting a hold on the region, then its poor journalistic standards by NYT.

 

[bandit]

But the impact of such a large foreign presence in a thinly populated, undeveloped region has been profound. With large amounts of money to dispense for subcontracts and support services, P.L.A. officers have become powerful, striking alliances with Pakistan-sponsored local functionaries

True, now that he's been called out on his crappy reporting, he is just trying to justify the crap he wrote.

 

[sob]

Somebody sure did sloppy homework before printing the article.

 

[siegecrossbow]

True, now that he's been called out on his crappy reporting, he is just trying to justify the crap he wrote.

By applying another fine layer of excrement .

 

[indushek]

Don't see any Indians on the thread - Mods should post this response on every thread Indians posted over and over again - Mods should ask whether it is OK to defame and lie - even if the NYT (Suprise) does it.

Funny seeing such comments from u Mr.

How many anti- India threads have run free flowingly here and how many times was China attacked here. I don't think u remember well but all u guys were laughing out or were very happy that India was going to be kicked in the *** by u both from JK. This doesn't mean i am upholding what Indians posted but m saying the other side is no angel.

So stop such flame posts. You are a thinktank not a newbie on PDF.

 

[muse]

As usual the Indians on our forum don't think about either right or wrong, for them all that mattered was there were what they considered anti-Indian threads and so if it took lies to get at the Chinese and through them the Pakistanis, so be it - that's too bad because at least saying that one had "got it wrong" at least gives the interlocutor the idea that he is dealing with persons for whom substance does matter, and not just a "get even".

 

[RobbieS]

As usual the Indians on our forum don't think about either right or wrong, for them all that mattered was there were what they considered anti-Indian threads and so if it took lies to get at the Chinese and through them the Pakistanis, so be it - that's too bad because at least saying that one had "got it wrong" at least gives the interlocutor the idea that he is dealing with persons for whom substance does matter, and not just a "get even".

Your attempts at generalizing are unsurpassed.

 

[Coltsfan]

So my Pakistani friends agree with the following part of his response

True, the Chinese in Gilgit-Baltistan are not combat soldiers, and their work on flood relief and economic development has positive benefits. But the impact of such a large foreign presence in a thinly populated, undeveloped region has been profound. With large amounts of money to dispense for subcontracts and support services, P.L.A. officers have become powerful, striking alliances with Pakistan-sponsored local functionaries, Pakistani bureaucrats and Pakistani businessmen who are profiting from more than 200 mining and other Chinese-run projects.

To local political activists, this adds up to a creeping process of de facto Chinese control over a region where Islamabad claims nominal authority but lacks the infrastructure to exercise it.