Seeing Pakistan without old, hostile baggage

[SrNair]

Experience of an Indian,just one Indian.
But the title is right we dont have any old baggage and burden .We dont hate our neighbours .But wont tolerate the questioning of our integrity

 

[Stephen Cohen]

make loc international border, and slowly but steadily start trade... in a decade or so we can change the mentalities of our masses

You can test the waters right here on PDF

And see how many Pakistanis accept your proposal to convert LOC into a border

 

[PurpleButcher]

You can test the waters right here on PDF

And see how many Pakistanis accept your proposal to convert LOC into a border

I know a lot of Pakistanis want this and the percentage of realists is increasing in pakistan and idealists are getting reduced with daily dose of economic realities.

Since May,1998 we south asians must have accepted that now no country can take even an inch of the other country and even if it occupies it will not be able to retain it. the only logical solution if LOC to be converted to a border. I hope such realization also exists in India!!

 

[Stephen Cohen]

The governments maybe not.. but the people have shown again and again how they are better and more open to peace and viewing Indians as humans.

I would like to explain why WE ie MILLIONS of Indians
DO NOT buy such feel good articles

Every time an Indian writes an article AFTER visiting Pakistan ; about the generous hospitality
it is presumed that Pakistanis wants peace with India

But such articles are like a needle in a haystack

Indians WATCH for themselves
Pakistani analysts ; writers ; commentators and journalists
who appear on Indian Television discussing India Pakistan issues

All Pakistanis have a STANDARD REPLY about issues like Terror attacks
Hafiz Sayed ; Dawood Ibrahim

It is like this :

Pakistanis SAY to us that RESOLVE Kashmir and everything will be fine

SO the message that we INDIANS get is that one of a blackmail

That all these terror attacks are justified and will continue until we give you Kashmir

Hence you see Indian Attitudes Hardening by the day

 

[tsinga]

I may confess, that in Delhi, whenever I encountered a Pakistani national at a marketplace, I used to look at him a terrorist or a spy or as someone representing India's biggest enemy. But be it Lahore or Islamabad, the common man there does not look upon Indians as an enemy, or even a rival.Their hospitality for an Indian guest is beyond comparison.

This has been the story given by Indian visitors to Pakistan time and again. And it is entirely true.

Pakistanis have been nothing but amazingly heart warming to almost all Indians visiting Pakistan, but Pakistanis in India are almost always looked at with derision and hate by most Indians.

The younger generation of Indians have no feeling other than apathy and/or hate for Pakistan whereas the older generation of Indians (who are fading from society and also political influence) still had warm feelings for Pakistan.

I really do wonder why this gap.

@Oscar , you did mention this once before. I do agree now.

 

[Kolachi Punjabi]

I know a lot of Pakistanis want this and the percentage of realists is increasing in pakistan and idealists are getting reduced with daily dose of economic realities.

Since May,1998 we south asians must have accepted that now no country can take even an inch of the other country and even if it occupies it will not be able to retain it. the only logical solution if LOC to be converted to a border. I hope such realization also exists in India!!

99% of Pakistanis do not want this, you are beghairat traitor belong to that haraamkhor 1%, if you say you want to formalize LOC in front of me, I'll spit on you're face and teach you lesson 'Bhai' style.

 

[Kabira]

I know a lot of Pakistanis want this and the percentage of realists is increasing in pakistan and idealists are getting reduced with daily dose of economic realities.

Since May,1998 we south asians must have accepted that now no country can take even an inch of the other country and even if it occupies it will not be able to retain it. the only logical solution if LOC to be converted to a border. I hope such realization also exists in India!!

You are kidding me? Say good bye to article 370 and after that to Kashmiris.

 

[nik22]

I know a lot of Pakistanis want this and the percentage of realists is increasing in pakistan and idealists are getting reduced with daily dose of economic realities.

Since May,1998 we south asians must have accepted that now no country can take even an inch of the other country and even if it occupies it will not be able to retain it. the only logical solution if LOC to be converted to a border. I hope such realization also exists in India!!

It does. We do not need land of any other country. I am even up for making Kashmir a land for Kashmiri's without India and Pak. The solution that was suggested during Musharaff time. We are spending too much on Kashmir. Their people hate us.

But, we will not let Kashmir go because of terrorism or anything else. Only solution is working peacefully. We should increase people to people contact. Cricket diplomacy can play a huge part.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

The younger generation of Indians have nothing but hate for Pakistan whereas the older generation still had warm feelings for Pakistan. I really do wonder why this gap.

This Gap is because

Indians WATCH for themselves
Pakistani analysts ; writers ; commentators and journalists
who appear on Indian Television discussing India Pakistan issues

All Pakistanis have a STANDARD REPLY about issues like Terror attacks
Hafiz Sayed ; Dawood Ibrahim

It is like this :

Pakistanis SAY to us that RESOLVE Kashmir and everything will be fine

SO the message that we INDIANS get is that one of a blackmail

That all these terror attacks are justified and will continue until we give you Kashmir

With such justification for terror attacks against India; coming from Pakistanis
You are seeing a Hardening of attitudes amongst Indians

 

[PurpleButcher]

99% of Pakistanis do not want this, you are beghairat traitor belong to that haraamkhor 1%, if you say you want to formalize LOC in front of me, I'll spit on you're face and teach you lesson 'Bhai' style.

Brother, please learn some manners. Secondly, what has your bhai style achieved so far, can you kindly ealborate the success story, how many boys belonging to poor families were trained and given a very narrow view of jihad just to be killed in srinagar? how many soldiers died in Kargil? how many inches of kashmir have you gained? and since you seem to be an idealist... can you tell me even if we somehow manage to conquer srinagar, and india threatens nukes and world community backs India how will you retain srinagar ? would you like to be nuked yourself and the whole south asia be nuked? May 1998 has changed our borders accept it and focus on pakistanis inside Pakistan, give them education, give them jobs, give them a life !!!

You are kidding me? Say good bye to article 370 and after that to Kashmiris.

No I am not kidding you... i feel this is the only solution.

 

[Icewolf]

Pakistan is cleaner than India that's why this indian was so shocked

Also Pakistan is not obsessed with India as India is with Pakistan

India barely constitutes an issue in Pakistan
While In India the hatred for Pakistan is the only thing keeping the country together otherwise it'd break apart

 

[khujliwal]

Indians see Pakistanis with suspicion as they have seen Pakistanis wrecking havoc in India. Pakistani people know that an Indian won't harm them(they won't admit it on PDF off course). Although their institutions keep alleging but no proofs as such.

 

[nik22]

Pakistan is cleaner than India that's why this indian was so shocked

You seem to have a gift. You can know psychology of writer! Amazing! You must be a Reiki Master or something!

 

[Kolachi Punjabi]

Brother, please learn some manners. Secondly, what has your bhai style achieved so far, can you kindly ealborate the success story, how many boys belonging to poor families were trained and given a very narrow view of jihad just to be killed in srinagar? how many soldiers died in Kargil? how many inches of kashmir have you gained? and since you seem to be an idealist... can you tell me even if we somehow manage to conquer srinagar, and india threatens nukes and world community backs India how will you retain srinagar ? would you like to be nuked yourself and the whole south asia be nuked? May 1998 has changed our borders accept it and focus on pakistanis inside Pakistan, give them education, give them jobs, give them a life !!!




No I am not kidding you... i feel this is the only solution.

We will liberate it, don't need pessimist like you, go pop some pills don't depress rest of us with your imagination

Pak army made sacrifices and everyone of it was worth it, we have no regrets, we will even sacrifice whole army just for this, Kashmir jugular vein of Pakistan, It is the K in Pakistan, wwe get all of it or Pakistan should cease to exist.

Don't fool the nation with different goals, this is the only goal

If you try spreading your propaganda beghairata, then this is for you
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[Sine Nomine]

Indians see Pakistanis with suspicion as they have seen Pakistanis wrecking havoc in India. Pakistani people know that an Indian won't harm them(they won't admit it on PDF off course). Although their institutions keep alleging but no proofs as such.

And some aliens from Mars armed Mukti bahni and attacked East Pakistan and that article was written by someone from another Galaxy
No country for envoys: Chopper crash shows why Pakistan is a diplomat's nightmare
No country for envoys: Chopper crash tragedy, Indian paper's horrible comment
I love and respect and admire and feel proud on being part of for all Pakistani security Organizations because it's there hard work which makes still us a Nuclear Power and a free state not a puppet state in SA of a country known as Bharat.
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