"Secular Content" Removed From KP Syllabus.

[prashantazazel]

lol ... ah yes the flowing electrons! That had to come sooner or later

Bohr's model of flowing electrons around the nucleus is just fiction and that has been busted by other scientists already!

So which element's electrons flow in 'each form of electricity' then? Eagerly awaiting the answer!



Space is not pure vacuum anyways so this vacuum this and that is irrelevant. Lots of elements in space that can transmit sound frequencies (even infrasound ones). As for sound travelling in space, it has been recorded.



Let me throw another one out for you book scientists - what is the real fuel that explodes in a petrol engine?

Since you are trolling anyways, I will correct you on the first point.

Electrons flow along the surface of a conductor. This is not the Bohr's model anyways.
Electrons do not vary based on the element.
Electron of element A=electron of element B.

 

[Verve]

Since you are trolling anyways, I will correct you on the first point.

Electrons flow along the surface of a conductor. This is not the Bohr's model anyways.
Electrons do not vary based on the element.
Electron of element A=electron of element B.

Electrons have a mass and electrons of aluminium will not flow through electrons of iron ...

so how do the electrons of whichever element flow through the transmission lines? You do realise that magnet spinning between copper coils (in the 'generator') is wireless (no contact) that produces high frequency volts, and the amplification and magnification is wireless too ... and then transformation to AC in the transformer is wireless as well! So how the heck does an electron transmit wirelessly multiple times until it reaches the socket in your house? Kindly explain that!!

 

[VCheng]

This thread just rose to be the best thread EVER on PDF.

 

[prashantazazel]

Electrons have a mass and electrons of aluminium will not flow through electrons of iron ...

so how do the electrons of whichever element flow through the transmission lines? You do realise that magnet spinning between copper coils (in the 'generator') is wireless (no contact) that produces high frequency volts, and the amplification and magnification is wireless too ... and then transformation to AC in the transformer is wireless as well! So how the heck does an electron transmit wirelessly multiple times until it reaches the socket in your house? Kindly explain that!!

The flow of electricity is best understood using a wave model. A flow of electrons from point A to B is indeed not required.
If I keep explaining this, it will fill up pages. No point, since google works better, and it still has nothing to do with "sound".

 

[AUz]

Seculars’ utter hatred of Islam and Muslim values so apparent in this thread.

They all go around saying “we just want equality. We are Muslims too. Secuarlisn doesn’t mean anti-Islam” blah blah...

And then on such a small issue, they go bezerk and can’t hide their loathing of Islam anymore

Learn Pakistanis, learn. Never allow these westoxified slave b@stards to get any power in your political, social, and cultural affairs. Otherwise, they’ll do to you what Shah of Iran did to poor Iranians before Iranians rose up and overthrown their western puppet

 

[VCheng]

The flow of electricity is best understood using a wave model. A flow of electrons from point A to B is indeed not required.
If I keep explaining this, it will fill up pages. No point, since google works better, and it still has nothing to do with "sound".

Are the electrons of aluminum different than the electrons of iron?

 

[Verve]

The flow of electricity is best understood using a wave model. A flow of electrons from point A to B is indeed not required.
If I keep explaining this, it will fill up pages. No point, since google works better, and it still has nothing to do with "sound".

That's a cop out! Answer in the context of electricity transmission thousands of miles from the powerhouse to end user.

And sound is primary supplier of the type of energy that the 'generator' (spinning magnets) tap into!

Also, there is no concrete scientific evidence of flowing electrons on a conductor! Share if you do.

So far, only one image of hydrogen atom's orbital structure has been captured yet no images of flowing electrons on whatever conductors exists. Flowing electrons is NOT a scientific fact yet, merely a theory and equations at present.

 

[prashantazazel]

Are the electrons of aluminum different than the electrons of iron?

No.

That's a cop out! Answer in the context of electricity transmission thousands of miles from the powerhouse to end user.

And sound is primary supplier of the type of energy that the 'generator' (spinning magnets) tap into!

Also, there is no concrete scientific evidence of flowing electrons on a conductor! Share if you do.

So far, only one image of hydrogen atom's orbital structure has been captured yet no images of flowing electrons on whatever conductors exists. Flowing electrons is NOT a scientific fact yet, merely a theory and equations at present.

Flowing electrons is one of the theories. As I said, a wave model explains this better.
Surely, you can Google it? Sound is not involved anywhere in this though.

 

[Verve]

which in return drives the copper coils in a magnetised core which in turn produces electrical energy (AC current in thus case).

hahaha ... AC current produced from spinning of magnets or coils ... build one and see if you can get AC out of it! AC is 50-60hz cycle. To get 50-60hz, the magnet/copper-coil generator would have to be spun at a pretty slow RPM and would produce a very low voltage. You are absolutely clueless on this. Build a generator like that and carry out some test. And trust me, it ain't AC! AC is a single sine wave whereas what you get out of this setup is a double helix swinwave at least. I touch this type of voltage all the times and never had a shock! Whereas AC will shock you.

Transformers have nothing to do with converting. All they do is step up or step down the voltages as needed according to an area.

Look at what goes in the transformer ... a thin gauge wire with millions of volts and what comes out of it are massive wires that carry 240 or 120 volts with amps (AC)! Transformer transforms what's coming via the transmission line to AC. Watts are created in the transformer through the process of wireless transfer!

You can't hold the naked live and return wires carrying amperage in one hand each as it will kill you! Whereas the transmission lines carrying millions of volts you can (without stepping foot or being connected down to earth)! Repairs on those transmission lines are carried out live!!!

Do this simple experiment at home: Plug in the standard ampere socket a 20 meters wire and give yourself a shock from the end of that 20 meters! And then give yourself a shock at the socket itself! AC can't travel far at all and the shock will be far far less than the shock at the socket ... anyone with decent electrical knowledge knows that! AC's sine wave dies off at long distance. What's coming on hundred of kms transmission lines is NOT AC!

Flowing electrons is one of the theories.

Oh ... and earlier you wanted me to provide proof yet relying on theories yourself, OK!

No.

Proof that they are the same? Or relying on theory again?

 

[prashantazazel]

Charge carriers (electrons being one) can be used to transmit an electromotive force (usually called just voltage). This is a pretty easy concept, really.

 

[VCheng]

Charge carriers (electrons being one) can be used to transmit an electromotive force (usually called just voltage). This is a pretty easy concept, really.

You are not going to win in this discussion, better call it quits.

 

[prashantazazel]

Proof that they are the same? Or relying on theory again?

Prove that they are different.
The scientific world has a consensus that there is only one type of electrons. You feel differently. So the onus of providing proof lies on you.

 

[Verve]

Prove that they are different.
The scientific world has a consensus that there is only one type of electrons. You feel differently. So the onus of providing proof lies on you.

If they are the same, then the electrical conductivity of Iron and Aluminium would be the same - and you know all too well it is NOT (aluminium being one of the worst in the metals). Go figure!

Existence of an electron has not been proven yet but if they do exist, iron and aluminium electrons will not be the same for above scientifically proven tests of conductivity.

Charge carriers (electrons being one) can be used to transmit an electromotive force (usually called just voltage). This is a pretty easy concept, really.

Also, the induction heaters do not heat up aluminium. If electrons is the charge carrier and electrons are the same in each metal, the 24khz (or thereabouts) signal from the Tesla copper coil inside the induction heater would heat up aluminium too. Resonant frequencies of the metals are different so how can these so-called electrons be the same!? Such a theory makes absolutely no sense!

 

[prashantazazel]

You are not going to win in this discussion, better call it quits.

Haha. Nah it's just basic school level science mostly.

 

[somebozo]

PESHAWAR: Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (K-P) chief of Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) Professor Ibrahim Khan has said that the provincial government has removed all secular content from the syllabus that was introduced by the previous government.

IK Playing the same game like Bhutto - appeasing the jamatis..once has to wonder..who is actually ruling KP??
PTI or JI?? This is a good example of what will become of Pakistan if they continue to lick the soles of IK..
I am voting PMLN next elections..no matter how much dislike for Nawaz, there is qualified cadre in PMLN and party is not run by one person..the entire charm of PTI is IK, once IK is gone PTI will fall in history. Very much like how PPP needs to keep the ghost of bhutto alive in order to earn sympathy votes..and then the ghost becomes weak they need a new shaheed...