Sectarianism in Pakistan military: Fact or Fiction

[araz]

Why must we complicate everything.. Is it that hard to follow things as they are now... The slogans work and everyone seems comfortable with calling Allah for help.. If you have to look at this forum, you are not getting everyone to agree. Why must it be changed? what good will it do? what is wrong with how it is now?

Read my post above. If after that you still want to continue wit your "uncomplicated life" feel free to do so.
Araz

 

[s.k]

I never asked if it should be changed or not. I am just asking everyone's opinion on what happened more than 30 years ago. Changing it now will be inviting unnecessary controversy during an already fragile time. Surely there is no problem in a healthy discussion.


Bohat ghalat hai aur shirk hojaya ga, doing so will make us non-Muslim. But no one is saying that prophet and allah have the same makaam (astaghfirullah).

"Make us non muslim"? Me kaise non muslim bun jaunga jub k me nahi keh raha k YA Muhammad s.a.w or Ya Ali s.a, Ya kehne se ap ALLAH ka makaam Hazrat Ali s.a ko de rahay hayn anjaney me or jaan bhooj kar ye mujhe nahi pata.

 

[SipahSalar]

"Make us non muslim"? Me kaise non muslim bun jaunga jub k me nahi keh raha k YA Muhammad s.a.w or Ya Ali s.a, Ya kehne se ap ALLAH ka makaam Hazrat Ali s.a ko de rahay hayn anjaney me or jaan bhooj kar ye mujhe nahi pata.

Bhai aap ki urdu bhi bohat kamzoor hai. I was only answering your question kay "kya aisa kehna kya sahi hoga"?

 

[Zarvan]

I respect your thoughts, but if 11 Muftis of Saudi Arabia is approving it. Their names are on display before drama start ...

It happend When Khalid (RA) was sent by Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA) for Ridda Wars.(

He never used it and I know Muftis and their fatwas its 99 % consensus that no Sahabi can be portrayed and giving fatwa in favor of film is enough to expose the so called Muftis

 

[s.k]

Bhai aap ki urdu bhi bohat kamzoor hai. I was only answering your question kay "kya aisa kehna kya sahi hoga"?

Yani k tum nahi keh rahay ok phir theek hay phir tho yu apna bhai hay

 

[SipahSalar]

He never used it and I know Muftis and their fatwas its 99 % consensus that no Sahabi can be portrayed and giving fatwa in favor of film is enough to expose the so called Muftis

sar·casm
ˈsärˌkazəm/
noun

1. the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
   "his voice, hardened by sarcasm, could not hide his resentment"
   synonyms: derision, mockery, ridicule, scorn, sneering, scoffing;

 

[shah_123]

No Hazrat Khalid RA never used it and portraying any Sahabi is Haram

He did said, this is quoted in authentic Islamic history books like Tarikh ibn Kathir, Tarikh Tabari.

 

[Gufi]

Read my post above. If after that you still want to continue wit your "uncomplicated life" feel free to do so.

There is not a line I would change or disagree with.. I just ask what is the purpose of debating these things now.... The way it is that they call Allah for help.... that is how it should be.

 

[syedali73]

He did said, this is quoted in authentic Islamic history books like Tarikh ibn Kathir, Tarikh Tabari.

This is not in my knowledge but if he did, he did not set a good example. Being Muslims we must use our common sense that suggests that help and courage must only be sought from Allah and not from those who are also dependent on Allah, including Muhammed (PBUH).

 

[karakoram]

It is no harm to say "YA ALI" as Khalid Bin Waleed (RA) used the battle cry as (YA Muhammad) an it is ligitimate for Wahabi's too....

Refrence: MBC drama, Omer Series. Produced, directed and telecasted by Saudi Arab. Approve by 11 Saudi Muftis.

At that time Nabi SAAW was alive and thats why khalid bin waleed cry battle slogon as ya Muhammad. and ya used for present things so we cant call even Nabi pak Ya Muhammad or ya Ali.

 

[shah_123]

At that time Nabi SAAW was alive and thats why khalid bin waleed cry battle slogon as ya Muhammad. and ya used for present things so we cant call even Nabi pak Ya Muhammad or ya Ali.

Prophet Muhammad Saw' was not alive at that time -
it was in battle of yamama against muslayma kazzab.

This is not in my knowledge but if he did, he did not set a good example. Being Muslims we must use our common sense that suggests that help and courage must only be sought from Allah and not from those who are also dependent on Allah, including Muhammed (PBUH).

that's your opinion.

 

[Hyperion]

I know every name and attribute of Allah SWT since I was 6 years old, by HEART.......... you people are so transparent, you know EXACTLY what I was referring to, however, due to your biassed little-pea-sized brains, you'll never acknowledge actual situation on the ground....

How's that for taking pot-shot at superior intellect, did it feel all tingly as you were expecting?

‘Al-Wahhaab’ is one of the Exclusive and Noble Attributes of Allah Subhanah and it means ‘The Bestower’ or ‘The Grantor’ of all things.‘
you really have no idea what you say do you? or where to end your comic routines....

 

[syedali73]

Prophet Muhammad Saw' was not alive at that time -
it was in battle of yamama against muslayma kazzab.

that's your opinion.

Yes, that indeed is my opinion which is based on common sense and logic. Mohammed (PBUH) is/was in no position to help himself let alone anyone else, for he himself was dependent on help from Allah. If that was not true, he did no have to seek Allah's help in the battles of Badr, Auhad, Khandaq etc. His presence alone would have been enough for Muslims to win those battles but it did not happen.

 

[Gufi]

"Al Wahab Hamara Baap
I know every name and attribute of Allah SWT since I was 6 years old, by HEART.......... you people are so transparent, you know EXACTLY what I was referring to, however, due to your biassed little-pea-sized brains, you'll never acknowledge actual situation on the ground....

How's that for taking pot-shot at a superior intellect, did it feel all tingly as you were expecting?"

explain to be how this would be in any way be correct.....you made a mistake, rather then feeling good about it or defending it delete the comment and I will do the same.

 

[Rasengan]

This thread should be closed because clearly some members are more inclined to bring there religious bias into the discussion. Personally, there is nothing wrong to say Ya Muhammed because even though he has left this dunya his presence is still here. For example a thread of his hair continuous to grow and does not wither away in dust. Don't enforce your version of Islam on to others.