SC grants Musharraf bail in Bugti murder case

[BATMAN]

Well, essentially(as a law). He ordered the operation that resulted in the death of a person. He has been named in a FIR by the son of the cleric and hence(by law and not by CJ) must remain in Pakistan for the duration of the case.
NOW, that being said; was the person not in violation of laws himself?


At this point, the cases on Musharraf included the Bugti case, The Bhutto case, Treason case and then the multiple missing persons case. All of these require him to appear in court and to not leave the country. This is Pakistani law through 1973 constituition and not by the CJ(who excused himself from the treason bench as well).

However, we would be naive to assume that the CJ(not all the man of principle that people paint him) whose rise to fame was based on the fact that he had an ego equal to Musharraf and would not budge; does not have an axe to grind with him(be it through the law and following the constitution).

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...f-bail-bugti-murder-case-3.html#ixzz2hMFv7Zu6

Nominating some one is not enough... it was cheap justice who ordered the FIR, only after the return of PM.
Why the cheap justice did not ordered to register FIR for the murder of soldier?
These are simple hints of biased and hypocrisy, being displayed by foreign agents.
PM took decision or delegated the situation to the authorities, is another debate and your statement or the statement of scum of the earth is non factual.
If you knew bit of law... you would also knew that holding arms is a crime, which needed to be dealt with arms.
Where as your so upbeat treason... has no grounds... if calling emergency for the security of civilians from terrorists is treason than change your law first, before apprehending some one of violation.
If Musharraf, had an ego than he would not have pardon Sharif and let him go to KSA and this corrupt man has no comparison with PM. Anyhow, this is no case of ego.. this is case of US/UK visas and corrupt money.

 

[BATMAN]

I agree with batman that Weapons came to Karachi from all directions.... Also weapon were being smuggled in buses from Peshawar & surrounding areas. Port , import is also other case...

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...f-bail-bugti-murder-case-3.html#ixzz2hMKXE6fY

It is well known in the world that nation of Zardari is so corrupt that they are willing to sell mothers for UK/US visa... and this statement is even on diplomatic records.

 

[batmannow]

Well, essentially(as a law). He ordered the operation that resulted in the death of a person. He has been named in a FIR by the son of the cleric and hence(by law and not by CJ) must remain in Pakistan for the duration of the case.
NOW, that being said; was the person not in violation of laws himself?


At this point, the cases on Musharraf included the Bugti case, The Bhutto case, Treason case and then the multiple missing persons case. All of these require him to appear in court and to not leave the country. This is Pakistani law through 1973 constituition and not by the CJ(who excused himself from the treason bench as well).

However, we would be naive to assume that the CJ(not all the man of principle that people paint him) whose rise to fame was based on the fact that he had an ego equal to Musharraf and would not budge; does not have an axe to grind with him(be it through the law and following the constitution).



Training for the league of shadows I presume Ras?

If he is not going away then good for the courts. He's already been away in a flat in Kensington for five years so Its about time he comes back to face the music.

he wasnt was only living in that appartment, he was living in dubai too?
& he wasnt hidding anyways, just because some former FIA director/malik was issuing the red fatwaas against him?
off course its jealousy point, for a middle class students ? like...khair janey doo?
but if a patriotic army govt couldnt find enough proves to nail down, the ever croupt politicians hving london mansions, & dam looted money from the country in swiss accounts, then i can proudly gurrentee to you, that no pakistani monte carlo court can find any proves against him ever?
& buggti was in fighting with pakarmy, he was killed by his own , action?
not only he died durring that, action but also 4 soilders died with him?
its state ,s responsibility to fight those , who ever break the laws of state, specially if, some 1 is running his own personal army or armed group, in TTp,s case & buggti,s case its the right way of action, which couldnt be challenged in any courts, if you still not belive plz come to islamabad & help the dam monte carlo judiciary to hang musharaf!
league of shadows I presume Ras[/I]
yes sure, thts the only place you can be effective? right?
but standing close a 105 mm gun, ohh man you cant survive? will be asking for medical help quickly?
never try that, its not for kids like you, its grown man game of real blood, without any more lives to hang on!

 

[IBRIS]

sorry dude age old story

mother of PTI's current status

That's one pathetic short bearded lady.!

 

[batmannow]

damo-crates tell us WHO KILLED HIM, where should we luanch the case? WHO we should name as his killers? BUGTTI? sure yes!

 

[BATMAN]

That's one pathetic short bearded lady.!

This is not the subject matter.... take a hike.

 

[SQ8]

he wasnt was only living in that appartment, he was living in dubai too?
& he wasnt hidding anyways, just because some former FIA director/malik was issuing the red fatwaas against him?
off course its jealousy point, for a middle class students ? like...khair janey doo?
but if a patriotic army govt couldnt find enough proves to nail down, the ever croupt politicians hving london mansions, & dam looted money from the country in swiss accounts, then i can proudly gurrentee to you, that no pakistani monte carlo court can find any proves against him ever?
& buggti was in fighting with pakarmy, he was killed by his own , action?
not only he died durring that, action but also 4 soilders died with him?
its state ,s responsibility to fight those , who ever break the laws of state, specially if, some 1 is running his own personal army or armed group, in TTp,s case & buggti,s case its the right way of action, which couldnt be challenged in any courts, if you still not belive plz come to islamabad & help the dam monte carlo judiciary to hang musharaf!
league of shadows I presume Ras[/I]
yes sure, thts the only place you can be effective? right?
but standing close a 105 mm gun, ohh man you cant survive? will be asking for medical help quickly?
never try that, its not for kids like you, its grown man game of real blood, without any more lives to hang on!

Rigghhht. In all that half intelligible personal attack( the only way internet tough guys like you try to save face) I was able to gather this.

If there were "fatwas" being issued and he was innocent, they why not come and face them? And if he really wanted to save the country and fire 105's with a certain Gen's wife and daughter.. he should have returned in his first instance instead of delaying his "Mein darta warta nahin hoon, mein aaon ga" speeches?

I have no problem in the state fighting insurgencies but the manner in which Bugti was killed ileft doubts. After all, a former CM should be accorded the benefit of the doubt when he was surrounded. Or the same being of Lal Masjid.. after all.. it is still Army of the republic of Pakistan that falls under MoD. Hence, they are obliged to be accountable for scrutiny of actions. As Army Chief, Musharraf was accountable for his actions on those days. So any citizen has the right to put him in a FIR and ask him for answers.


And Im happy as a middle class student on Halal money. I'd rather not live in Kensington on Haram Kamai.

 

[batmannow]

Rigghhht. In all that half intelligible personal attack( the only way internet tough guys like you try to save face) I was able to gather this.

If there were "fatwas" being issued and he was innocent, they why not come and face them? And if he really wanted to save the country and fire 105's with a certain Gen's wife and daughter.. he should have returned in his first instance instead of delaying his "Mein darta warta nahin hoon, mein aaon ga" speeches?

I have no problem in the state fighting insurgencies but the manner in which Bugti was killed ileft doubts. After all, a former CM should be accorded the benefit of the doubt when he was surrounded. Or the same being of Lal Masjid.. after all.. it is still Army of the republic of Pakistan that falls under MoD. Hence, they are obliged to be accountable for scrutiny of actions. As Army Chief, Musharraf was accountable for his actions on those days. So any citizen has the right to put him in a FIR and ask him for answers.


And Im happy as a middle class student on Halal money. I'd rather not live in Kensington on Haram Kamai.

why not then with rights given by, so called middle class citizens & a crap pice of paper constitution made by frist civillian marshallaw admistrator ZAB?
may hakeem ullha mehsud might launch an FIR on everyone, including all the dam parlimenterians, PMs, CMs, governors COASs & the dam sumo moto CJs , they all couldnt hve stopped the massive killing, done by USA by drones? on his fellow tribesmen, for thier voilent but just struggle?
& then what, at the same time, he tells you , he dont accepts your laws & constitution?
buggti was given proper chances, he himself denied everything, cause in his crazy mind, CIA was ready to accept him as the frist baluch ameer of AZAD BALUCHISTAN?
what others are asking, why american senator was presenting resolutions in thier congress?
ohh, no you jst want, damocrazy even on the cost of the breaking of the country?
it really, nice to see you devloping into a hardcore damo-crate, who gives nothing to logic & safty of the citizens of this country, rather thn his pony world of rights or wrongs on the top, of his intellectual but a jealous midle class head?
i m not, hardcore fan of coffee but, it may hve splitted after looking at your complexed mind situation?
ok whatever you have, its halal & if some 1 gets a appartment in a better place with a larger space, he has haram?
what a great islamic logic, here we go another, wako wana be mullha fazullha in making!
to be a MOD, you need better than that, to save your face, anyway?

 

[Slayer786]

Musharaf is equally responsibly for Unrest in Karachi,. He gave free hands to MQM and MQM has gathered weapon from Waziristan till Karachi and Now using it....

And I thought he had reined in that party so much that until that incident in 2007 or 2008 there was peace in Karachi and so much development of the infrastructure that a lot of the visitors grudgingly admitted MQM was doing a good job.
We saw it like that.
Amazingly, people like to interpret their own versions of events. And ours vastly differs.

LOL.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Bugti was a criminal , and what Musharaf did was correct call

 

[Panther 57]

@Oscar If he said میں ڈرتا ورتا کسی سے نہیں ۔ then he is right. He is in this country facing his cases in the court. If you look back into history you will find BB & NS both fled in self exile and did not return until they were sure that no one will arrest them. He returned knowing that he will be arrested. He returned against the advice of PA. He faced clear and eminent danger of being prosecuted and executed. He was adviced by his close aides not return, even Gen Rashid Qureshi adviced him against returning.
Following reproduction of Tribune news confirms that he is in a hostile environment under NS.

LAHORE: Lawmakers belonging to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI), Mutahidda Qaumi Movement (MQM) and Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) approached the All Pakistan Muslim League (APML) and assured their extensive support for party head Pervez Musharraf — to be extended at the “right time.”

Details of the meeting were disclosed by political advisor and close aide of Musharraf, Chaudhry Sarfraz Anjum Kahlon.

Kahlon said that several senior lawmakers including representatives of PTI and MQM had privately conveyed their dismay over Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s stance on Musharraf and had provided assurances of extensive support for Musharraf.

The advisor said that these lawmakers sympathise with Musharraf and some of them have worked in his former government.

Kahlon said PAT leader Dr Tahirul Qadri, who had worked closely with Musharraf, has conveyed his displeasure over Musharraf’s treason case. He said it would be an uphill task for Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz (PML-N) to initiate a treason case against Musharraf based on a personal grudge.

Kahlon said that Nawaz’s fixation with trying the former military ruler for high treason under Article 6 of the Constitution “demonstrates that Nawaz is a democratic dictator who believes in pursuing the reckless path of personal revenge as opposed to working in the best interest of the country.”

Musharraf’s aide also said that “no one should underestimate the strength of Musharraf” and that “as a Pakistani soldier, he is determined to face all challenges with dignity and courage”.

He further said that Musharraf must be given credit for “the unprecedented step of voluntarily returning to Pakistan to face all politically motivated cases without any form of a deal in place,” adding that “if the rule of law is upheld, Musharraf will eventually be acquitted in all the cases.”

According to the PAT official spokesperson, a high level delegation of PTI will be visiting the PAT office to discuss the country’s political scenario, particularly Musharraf’s treason case.

PTI, MQM lawmakers extend support to Musharraf: Aide – The Express Tribune

as regard Bugti is concerned he was fighting PA and working against Pakistan. Do you think he was fighting for Balochistan? No sir his interest was complete ownership of Sui gas field. He has been taking royalty on Sui Gas since beginning and spent nothing on improvement of his tribe or people. Sil Army senior officials respected him and went in the cave UNARMED to negotiate. It was his own mine which went off and not only killed him but also the PA delegation. As @batmannow mentioned only state has the right to use force to enforce its writ. If someone is trying to fight PA then state has full right to retaliate with full force.

Shazaib Bugti was arrested for smuggling illegal weapons and evaded law through his influence. Why he needed so much of weapon and that too advanced weapon. This family is fueling the fire against Pakistan. And you know what is the title given to such people.
@AZADPAKISTAN2009

 

[batmannow]

@Oscar If he said میں ڈرتا ورتا کسی سے نہیں ۔ then he is right. He is in this country facing his cases in the court. If you look back into history you will find BB & NS both fled in self exile and did not return until they were sure that no one will arrest them. He returned knowing that he will be arrested. He returned against the advice of PA. He faced clear and eminent danger of being prosecuted and executed. He was adviced by his close aides not return, even Gen Rashid Qureshi adviced him against returning.
Following reproduction of Tribune news confirms that he is in a hostile environment under NS.


as regard Bugti is concerned he was fighting PA and working against Pakistan. Do you think he was fighting for Balochistan? No sir his interest was complete ownership of Sui gas field. He has been taking royalty on Sui Gas since beginning and spent nothing on improvement of his tribe or people. Sil Army senior officials respected him and went in the cave UNARMED to negotiate. It was his own mine which went off and not only killed him but also the PA delegation. As @batmannow mentioned only state has the right to use force to enforce its writ. If someone is trying to fight PA then state has full right to retaliate with full force.

Shazaib Bugti was arrested for smuggling illegal weapons and evaded law through his influence. Why he needed so much of weapon and that too advanced weapon. This family is fueling the fire against Pakistan. And you know what is the title given to such people.
@AZADPAKISTAN2009

special thanks to commander!

 

[Jzaib]

what the **** is wrong with our nation ..musharraf is a hero

 

[SQ8]

why not then with rights given by, so called middle class citizens & a crap pice of paper constitution made by frist civillian marshallaw admistrator ZAB?
may hakeem ullha mehsud might launch an FIR on everyone, including all the dam parlimenterians, PMs, CMs, governors COASs & the dam sumo moto CJs , they all couldnt hve stopped the massive killing, done by USA by drones? on his fellow tribesmen, for thier voilent but just struggle?
& then what, at the same time, he tells you , he dont accepts your laws & constitution?
buggti was given proper chances, he himself denied everything, cause in his crazy mind, CIA was ready to accept him as the frist baluch ameer of AZAD BALUCHISTAN?
what others are asking, why american senator was presenting resolutions in thier congress?
ohh, no you jst want, damocrazy even on the cost of the breaking of the country?
it really, nice to see you devloping into a hardcore damo-crate, who gives nothing to logic & safty of the citizens of this country, rather thn his pony world of rights or wrongs on the top, of his intellectual but a jealous midle class head?
i m not, hardcore fan of coffee but, it may hve splitted after looking at your complexed mind situation?
ok whatever you have, its halal & if some 1 gets a appartment in a better place with a larger space, he has haram?
what a great islamic logic, here we go another, wako wana be mullha fazullha in making!
to be a MOD, you need better than that, to save your face, anyway?

Again, sifting from the half readable mixture of personal attacks and gibberish we have. I get the following:
1. The constitution of Pakistan which was formed under legislators under democratic process is null and void.

2. Z.A. Bhutto, who was the first person to actually launch a military operation against breakaway movements in Baluchistan, Sindh and KPK is a crazed man.Akbar Bugti was one who recommended the Balochistan action.

3. Some rant with American senators and perhaps a hint to conspiracy theory.

4. Musharraf did not make a cent in the office. He was another Iskandar Mirza. Shaukat Aziz was another Suharwardy who did nothing to manipulate the stock market and help himself and his president make some loot.After all, Musharraf claimed in his own book that he came from the middle class. And at retirement, the maximum an Army general can take away is $2 million in accumulated wealth(if he plays smartly).

I suppose then that all these people are just there.
How did Musharraf become a billionaire? - thenews.com.pk
Musharraf declares assets worth Rs645m, leaves tax column blank – The Express Tribune

He earns through lectures, but that started after he left... so what about before that?

@Oscar If he said میں ڈرتا ورتا کسی سے نہیں ۔ then he is right. He is in this country facing his cases in the court. If you look back into history you will find BB & NS both fled in self exile and did not return until they were sure that no one will arrest them. He returned knowing that he will be arrested. He returned against the advice of PA. He faced clear and eminent danger of being prosecuted and executed. He was adviced by his close aides not return, even Gen Rashid Qureshi adviced him against returning.
Following reproduction of Tribune news confirms that he is in a hostile environment under NS.


as regard Bugti is concerned he was fighting PA and working against Pakistan. Do you think he was fighting for Balochistan? No sir his interest was complete ownership of Sui gas field. He has been taking royalty on Sui Gas since beginning and spent nothing on improvement of his tribe or people. Sil Army senior officials respected him and went in the cave UNARMED to negotiate. It was his own mine which went off and not only killed him but also the PA delegation. As @batmannow mentioned only state has the right to use force to enforce its writ. If someone is trying to fight PA then state has full right to retaliate with full force.

Shazaib Bugti was arrested for smuggling illegal weapons and evaded law through his influence. Why he needed so much of weapon and that too advanced weapon. This family is fueling the fire against Pakistan. And you know what is the title given to such people.
@AZADPAKISTAN2009

There is one problem with that defence. Both BB and NS were arrested before their self-exile..and Musharraf was on self-exile too. However, when the former two were arrested they were placed in pitiful conditions. Compared to that, Musharraf's arrest in his mansion of a house is a joke. The same can be said for Adm mansour-ul-haq.
And he did not return out of bravado as much as he returned out of the wish to be relevant again in the public eye through electoral process(the correct way and he should be applauded nonetheless to participate in that process), otherwise he has been making statements to do so for the past three years. News footage and reports are enough to show the shock he felt finding out that he is no longer above the law and his former employers cant protect him from everything. It is foolish for anyone to presume that a man who was humiliated by Musharraf like NS will not seek revenge, or one that he went on an ego war with wont do the same(Iftikhar C).
But at the same time, his tenure was bound to be subject to accountability and he should have known that. What Musharraf fanboys dont understand is that him standing in these cases to be tried actually helps his PR rather than diminish it or create problems.
Moreover, his being implicated in the cases has a benefit for him. The security detail he has is due to his status in the cases; if those go, then the 1200 rangers and police will leave as well... leaving the door open for the Taliban to blow him to smithereens.

Even with the Bugti case, the accounts are all from the ex-federal government while the Balochistan government concludes otherwise.
The question of the case was criminal conspiracy which cannot be proven when the accused was judge,jury and executioner in Pakistan and has the Army's support. Something which Bhutto did not have and the result is plain to see.

 

[batmannow]

Again, sifting from the half readable mixture of personal attacks and gibberish we have. I get the following:
1. The constitution of Pakistan which was formed under legislators under democratic process is null and void.

2. Z.A. Bhutto, who was the first person to actually launch a military operation against breakaway movements in Baluchistan, Sindh and KPK is a crazed man.Akbar Bugti was one who recommended the Balochistan action.

3. Some rant with American senators and perhaps a hint to conspiracy theory.

4. Musharraf did not make a cent in the office. He was another Iskandar Mirza. Shaukat Aziz was another Suharwardy who did nothing to manipulate the stock market and help himself and his president make some loot.After all, Musharraf claimed in his own book that he came from the middle class. And at retirement, the maximum an Army general can take away is $2 million in accumulated wealth(if he plays smartly).

I suppose then that all these people are just there.
How did Musharraf become a billionaire? - thenews.com.pk
Musharraf declares assets worth Rs645m, leaves tax column blank – The Express Tribune

He earns through lectures, but that started after he left... so what about before that?





There is one problem with that defence. Both BB and NS were arrested before their self-exile..and Musharraf was on self-exile too. However, when the former two were arrested they were placed in pitiful conditions. Compared to that, Musharraf's arrest in his mansion of a house is a joke. The same can be said for Adm mansour-ul-haq.
And he did not return out of bravado as much as he returned out of the wish to be relevant again in the public eye through electoral process(the correct way and he should be applauded nonetheless to participate in that process), otherwise he has been making statements to do so for the past three years. News footage and reports are enough to show the shock he felt finding out that he is no longer above the law and his former employers cant protect him from everything. It is foolish for anyone to presume that a man who was humiliated by Musharraf like NS will not seek revenge, or one that he went on an ego war with wont do the same(Iftikhar C).
But at the same time, his tenure was bound to be subject to accountability and he should have known that. What Musharraf fanboys dont understand is that him standing in these cases to be tried actually helps his PR rather than diminish it or create problems.
Moreover, his being implicated in the cases has a benefit for him. The security detail he has is due to his status in the cases; if those go, then the 1200 rangers and police will leave as well... leaving the door open for the Taliban to blow him to smithereens.

Even with the Bugti case, the accounts are all from the ex-federal government while the Balochistan government concludes otherwise.
The question of the case was criminal conspiracy which cannot be proven when the accused was judge,jury and executioner in Pakistan and has the Army's support. Something which Bhutto did not have and the result is plain to see.

hope fully you & this govt can find a single economist, who can manuplite the way shaukat aziz did, & should bring the US against ruppee to 70 ruppes?
let the inflation get down, to the levels of post 2008?
let the prices of common goods, & daily goods down to the same levels as was under his rule?
no you cant? this govt cant, the govt of zardari cant & you know why? you all are croupt ,he wasnt?
ok you think, that his political enemies are not strong enough, or still affraid enough to punch a crouption case against musharaf?wow
why not they, are doing that & that includes CJ TOO?
ohh i think , they all cant read , or maybe thier eyes just dont works against MUSHARAF?
you are getting funny, guss drinking coffee too much, often ends up in sleepless nights?


US congressman tables bill for Baloch right to independence – The Express Tribune
WASHINGTON: Nearly a week after he chaired a Congressional hearing on Balochistan, US Congressman Dana Rohrabacher introduced a resolution in the US House of Representatives calling upon Pakistan to recognise the Baloch right to self determination.
The motion, which has been co-sponsored by House Representatives Louie Gohmert and Steve King, highlights Balochistan’s troubled past with the centre after the creation of Pakistan.
According to the text, ‘revolts’ in 1958, 1973 and 2005 “indicate continued popular discontent against Islamabad’s rule, and the plunder of its vast natural wealth while the province remains the poorest in the country.”
It is US policy to “oppose aggression and the violation of human rights inherent in the subjugation of national groups as currently being shown in Iran and Pakistan against the aspirations of the Baloch people,” said the motion.
In a definitive spin to the current tension, the resolution asserts that the people of Balochistan that are “currently divided between Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan, have the right to self-determination and to their own sovereign country,” adding that they should be afforded the opportunity to choose their own status among the community of nations.
In a statement from his office, Rohrabacher, who is also the Chair of the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, added, “The Baloch, like other nations of people, have an innate right to self-determination. The political and ethnic discrimination they suffer is tragic and made more so because America is financing and selling arms to their oppressors in Islamabad.”
Meanwhile, the Foreign Office has strongly condemned the resolution terming it as “highly irresponsible and a blatant interference in the domestic issues of the country,” adding that it is a violation of international laws.
Published in The Express Tribune, February 18th, 2012.
great super, over over educated gilbiersh , allways gets a dust bin?
it doesnt matter that, the sender is doing his, masters or what?
hope after this your great eyes starts working?
& your jealousy of pakarmy officers & pakarmy,s resistance to the traitorship of the croupt politicians?