Saudiz to Kerry: We created ISIS to decrease Iran's power in Iraq

[Irfan Baloch]

Has Saudi Arabia withdrawn any of its funds invested in USA? Besides, why turn away good business?

why bother with 911 Lawsuit bill ?
domestic consuption?? hmmm?


I agree, in the end money wins the moral argument.
I think only one or more Nordic countries banned weapon sales to Saudis due to their questionable use in order to suppress dissent & indiscriminate use in Yemen. both USA and Uk companies see $$$$$$$$$$$

 

[VCheng]

why bother with 911 Lawsuit bill ?
domestic consuption?? hmmm?


I agree, in the end money wins the moral argument.
I think only one or more Nordic countries banned weapon sales to Saudis due to their questionable use in order to suppress dissent & indiscriminate use in Yemen. both USA and Uk companies see $$$$$$$$$$$

The 9/11 lawsuit bill is just the democratic process at work, Sir. The justice system will play its own defined role when the time comes. That is just the way things work around here.

International geopolitics do not go by morality or any similar constructs that apply only to the personal domain. What Saudi Arabia is doing in Yemen with US-supplied equipment is not very different to what Pakistan is doing in FATA, except may be in scale. Or even Syria with Russian equipment. Or India in South Kashmir. And so on.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The 9/11 lawsuit bill is just the democratic process at work, Sir. The justice system will play its own defined role when the time comes. That is just the way things work around here.

International geopolitics do not go by morality or any similar constructs that apply only to the personal domain. What Saudi Arabia is doing in Yemen with US-supplied equipment is not very different to what Pakistan is doing in FATA, except may be in scale. Or even Syria with Russian equipment. Or India in South Kashmir. And so on.

Cant agree more
or say Turkey doing in its fight against PKK or China against UIgers and Hasina doing against her in-laws and all those who wronged her during the time of her fat teenage years

 

[VCheng]

Cant agree more
or say Turkey doing in its fight against PKK or China against UIgers and Hasina doing against her in-laws and all those who wronged her during the time of her fat teenage years

Exactly correct Sir. The pursuit of national interests is what international geopolitics is all about. All countries are the same in this regard, no one higher or lower than any other. There is no point in pretending to be more moral than anyone else.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Exactly correct Sir. The pursuit of national interests is what international geopolitics is all about. All countries are the same in this regard, no one higher or lower than any other. There is no point in pretending to be more moral than anyone else.

brings us back to your comment though (to which I posted a common Saudi expression)

there are exceptions to the rule

 

[VCheng]

brings us back to your comment though (to which I posted a common Saudi expression)

there are exceptions to the rule

Please explain for my benefit. What comment, and what exception?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Please explain for my benefit. What comment, and what exception?

comment: "it will destroy those who planned and executed this attack (whoopass)
exception :opening the can of whoopass instead of making money

 

[VCheng]

comment: "it will destroy those who planned and executed this attack (whoopass)
exception :opening the can of whoopass instead of making money

Sir, give it some time. Make the region weaker and poorer. Then it will be easier. First, take their money. Then watch them beat each other black and blue. Then walk in as the peacemakers. Rinse. Repeat.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Sir, give it some time. Make the region weaker and poorer. Then it will be easier. First, take their money. Then watch them beat each other black and blue. Then walk in as the peacemakers. Rinse. Repeat.

saw this movie years ago but this line is unforgetable

Syriana :
Matt Damon's opening remarks.. first few seconds

 

[VCheng]

saw this movie years ago but this line is unforgetable

Syriana :
Matt Damon's opening remarks.. first few seconds

Pretty blunt, but true.

 

[LeGenD]

After going through this thread, I don't how I should react; laugh or cry.

The sorry state of affairs Muslims find themselves in today.

 

[LfcRed]

In Bahrain a majority is ruled by a minority and we only have called out for democracy there ... you see interference? Saudis and Americans backed dictator and cracked down peaceful protests not Iranians ....

Calling out for democracy in Bahrain when there is none in Iran is quiet a hypocrisy. If democracy is the issue why don't you start from Iran. The point has always been to bring a Shia government in place. As it always has been the case in Syria and Iraq is to retain the Shia government in place. Supporting the governments in Syria and supporting the opposition in Bahrain has only one thing in common. Both the entities involved are Shia. The protestors were doing good to get additional rights in the country until Iran tried toppling the government and the so called peaceful protestors ended up with nothing but their treachery obvious to everyone.

 

[Rukarl]

Calling out for democracy in Bahrain when there is none in Iran is quiet a hypocrisy. If democracy is the issue why don't you start from Iran. The point has always been to bring a Shia government in place. As it always has been the case in Syria and Iraq is to retain the Shia government in place. Supporting the governments in Syria and supporting the opposition in Bahrain has only one thing in common. Both the entities involved are Shia. The protestors were doing good to get additional rights in the country until Iran tried toppling the government and the so called peaceful protestors ended up with nothing but their treachery obvious to everyone.

Another slave for these arabs. You've been so mentally enslaved that you can't even think logically. Compared to your master's nation, Iran is the most democratic nation in history. In Iran people actually vote for their members of parliament, president and assembly of experts (whom elect the next supreme leader of Iran). You people haven't even heard of voting. I wonder how much these arabs pay you slaves to make such fool of yourselves.

 

[LfcRed]

Another slave for these arabs. You've been so mentally enslaved that you can't even think logically. Compared to your master's nation, Iran is the most democratic nation in history. In Iran people actually vote for their members of parliament, president and assembly of experts (whom elect the next supreme leader of Iran). You people haven't even heard of voting. I wonder how much these arabs pay you slaves to make such fool of yourselves.

Yeah right. Iranian democracy is the benchmark for the world democracies. Why don't you elect someone else your supreme leader then. And everyone knows who runs the country. Anyways I don't believe the western democracy to be the best setup for muslims anyways. We have our own Islamic values around which our democracy should be designed. There is enough democratic values that we need in Bahrain and improving over time. The same Iranian shias living here are enjoying it a lot and have built up decent lives and business empires in the country. Let the citizens here worry about the amount they need. I dont want to comment on it anymore as it is not the topic at hand and neither does It involves nor should interest any Iranian citizen or government what is happening in any other country. No one made Iran the world police of all Shias.

Secondly I pointed out the democracy in Iran because the poster pointed it out. I have no interest in it. On the other hand I never posted personal or cheap comments for him nor for you. Which you haven't respected on the contrary. I merely pointed out the real motive of support of the Iranian government. Which you have very cleverly tried to avoid commenting on.

 

[Rukarl]

Yeah right. Iranian democracy is the benchmark for the world democracies. Why don't you elect someone else your supreme leader then. And everyone knows who runs the country. Anyways I don't believe the western democracy to be the best setup for muslims anyways. We have our own Islamic values around which our democracy should be designed. There is enough democratic values that we need in Bahrain and improving over time. The same Iranian shias living here are enjoying it a lot and have built up decent lives and business empires in the country. Let the citizens here worry about the amount they need. I dont want to comment on it anymore as it is not the topic at hand and neither does It doesn't involve or should interest any Iranian citizen or government what is happening in any other country. No one made Iran the world police of all Shias.

Secondly I pointed out the democracy in Iran because the poster pointed it out. I never posted personal comments to him nor to you. I merely pointed out the real motive of support of the Iranian government. Which you have very cleverly tried to avoid commenting on.

You sound like a 12 year old kid.

I compared Iran's democracy to your master's sheikhdom where election are something they never heard of. Iran is a democratic nation (not as much as the west however), just because its democracy is different i.e its vetting process, it does not make it a non democratic nation. It not a perfect democracy, then again no one is.

Let me educate you about the supreme leader. Iranian supreme leader is elected by the assembly of expert whom themselves are elected by the Iranian people. The Iranian supreme leader can be removed at any time by the assembly of experts if need be and even he has to abide by the constitution. Although he has the power to intervene, he rarely does so anyway.

So you're clueless about what you're blabbering about. All you're doing is spreading your sheikh master's propaganda.