Saudis reportedly plan to invest $40 billion in US infrastructure

[Sharpshooter12]

Its their money so they have a right to invest it wherever they want to.

In my understanding it was done to keep US interested in the protection of kingdom. With the shale gas phenomenon, KSA or Opec has lost its influence over the US.

Investing 40 b , means Saudis will be in full crunch control of american balls.

Once the bull is tamed, then it can be put to good use.

US has over 3 Trillion dollars in cumulative FDI, how can $40 b dollar put Saudis in the position that you described above. European countries invested more than 1.7 Trillion dollars, has the EU tamed the bull?

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Your trolling is not very clever seeing how you don't understand the word "investing".
The US is going to invest a similar number inside KSA.

Come on habib, we're talking about this guy:

The potential to troll this thread is insatiable.

We all need to lighten up.

 

[Avicenna]

I don't discuss internal affairs with foreigners who with all due respect are ignorant about the ground realities in KSA. Nor has this anything to do with the thread.

I suggest rereading post 18 and then answer me which reality you live in yourself?



"Idiot", "10 trillion GDP easily". Let's end it here.

This is a public forum where people discuss things. We are all foreigners depending on the specific topic. We all have opinions, some more informed than others. Similarly one may make the argument you aren't aware of the political realities that exist in the US.

 

[Mugwop]

Invest? More like waste 40$ billion

 

[Sharpshooter12]

u could've easily had an economy of above 10 trillion by now, easily...

Sir I doubt a country with 30 million population could ever have become a 10 Trillion dollar economy. That is roughly the size of the Chinese economy.

If your thesis is based on the natural wealth of KSA then please keep in mind that Russia also has huge oil and gas reserves, in fact they are the biggest natural gas exporters in the world, their natural gas exports are larger than the whole Arab world combined and yet their economy's size is 1.5 Trillion. And they do have a presidential system, well sorta.

 

[Avicenna]

No one really cares what you take seriously. Facts are facts. The Trump administration is a disaster. The fact that SA and GCC wants to play ball with them in this manner ( in conjunction with Israel) reflect the short sightedness of their respective leaderships. Iran commits its own sins of course. But the original subject of this thread is a further reminder of the subservient nature of the US gulf Arab relationship.

 

[Awan68]

Sir I doubt a country with 30 million population could ever have become a 10 Trillion dollar economy. That is roughly the size of the Chinese economy.

If your thesis is based on the natural wealth of KSA then please keep in mind that Russia also has huge oil and gas reserves, in fact they are the biggest natural gas exporters in the world, their natural gas exports are larger than the whole Arab world combined and yet their economy's size is 1.5 Trillion. And they do have a presidential system, well sorta.

Buddy holland is a little country with 16 mil people n thier gdp equals arabia, if 10 trill is blown outta propotion than atleast 4-5 trill was achievable given the amount of cash they had in hand to invest in industry, after setting up industrial base they could've opened imigration to muslim countries n that 30 mil population mark would've swollen easily to atleast 60 mil by now, more n more labour could also have been imported, after oil prices fell isnt the saudi king now trying to do exactly what i say they should've done decades ago...the former soviet union was isolated from most of the world due to the rift with west n than it fell n russia is to this day recovering from the collapse, russia is a unique case, too many other factors involved...

 

[Saif al-Arab]

No one really cares what you take seriously. Facts are facts. The Trump administration is a disaster. The fact that SA and GCC wants to play ball with them in this manner ( in conjunction with Israel) reflect the short sightedness of their respective leaderships. Iran commits its own sins of course. But the original subject of this thread is a further reminder of the subservient nature of the US gulf Arab relationship.

That might be the case but most of the 500 million Arabs (let alone other ethnic groups and nationalities) usually don't take the ramblings of uninformed people (foreigners moreover) on forums too seriously nor are people who are unable to argue without insulting, writing lies and in general nonsense of too much use in a serious debate.

Do you even have any clue about how much KSA has earned by investing in the US in the past 5 decades? KSA has assets worth almost 1 trillion USD in the US let alone that of all GCC states. That's far more than the initial investments in the US by KSA. So you see, this policy has WORKED. Similarly the US has invested 100's of billions in the economy of KSA since the early 1960's.

Yes, you know better than the people in power in both countries. You are also better than Nostradamus at predicting the future.

Sir I doubt a country with 30 million population could ever have become a 10 Trillion dollar economy. That is roughly the size of the Chinese economy.

If your thesis is based on the natural wealth of KSA then please keep in mind that Russia also has huge oil and gas reserves, in fact they are the biggest natural gas exporters in the world, their natural gas exports are larger than the whole Arab world combined and yet their economy's size is 1.5 Trillion. And they do have a presidential system, well sorta.

Wrong. Qatar alone has over half of the proven gas reserves that Russia has. The Arab world is much richer than Russia when it comes to natural resources and the GCC (almost 2 trillion GDP) alone has a bigger economy than 150 million big Russia let alone the entire Arab world.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

Wrong. Qatar alone has over half of the proven gas reserves that Russia has. The Arab world is much richer than Russia when it comes to resources and the GCC (almost 2 trillion GDP) alone has a bigger economy than 150 million big Russia let alone the entire Arab world.

Sir do you have a comprehension problem? I said exports not reserves, so please do check again, Russia's gas exports are greater than that of whole Arab league combined, it is because of them being close to western Europe and hence they can provide them with natural gas through pipelines.

 

[Avicenna]

That might be the case but most of the 500 million Arabs (let alone other ethnic groups and nationalities) usually don't take the ramblings of uninformed people (foreigners moreover) on forums too seriously nor are people who are unable to argue without insulting, writing lies and in general nonsense of too much use in a serious debate.

Do you even have any clue about how much KSA has earned by investing in the US in the past 5 decades? KSA has assets worth almost 1 trillion USD in the US let alone that of all GCC states. That's far more than the initial investments in the US by KSA. So you see, this policy has WORKED. Similarly the US has invested 100's of billions in the economy of KSA since the early 1960's.

Yes, you know better than the people in power in both countries. You are also better than Nostradamus at predicting the future.



Wrong. Qatar alone has over half of the proven gas reserves that Russia has. The Arab world is much richer than Russia when it comes to natural resources and the GCC (almost 2 trillion GDP) alone has a bigger economy than 150 million big Russia let alone the entire Arab world.

Lol at Nostradamus. I wish I had the attention span and free time to fully do justice to this topic on this forum.

I will simply say this, globally speaking muslim governments and by extension their populace are being jacked around. And this all stems from short sided sectarian base conflicts planted and nourished by non Muslim entities. Of course it's not as simplistic as that.

This whole Saudi Iran thing is ridiculous. its very analogous to uncles at local masjids who bicker and compete over who will be president of the masjid etc etc. either way Allah help us all.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Sir do you have a comprehension problem? I said exports not reserves, so please do check again, Russia's gas exports are greater than that of whole Arab league combined, it is because of them being close to western Europe and hence they can provide them with natural gas through pipelines.

Kindly show me a reliable source from 2017 that confirms what you wrote.

Lol at Nostradamus. I wish I had the attention span and free time to fully do justice to this topic on this forum.

I will simply say this, globally speaking muslim governments and by extension their populace are being jacked around. And this all stems from short sided sectarian base conflicts planted and nourished by non Muslim entities. Of course it's not as simplistic as that.

This whole Saudi Iran thing is ridiculous. its very analogous to uncles at local masjids who bicker and compete over who will be president of the masjid etc etc. either way Allah help us all.

Ok, the House of Saud are the worst Muslim rulers ever while the Iranian Mullah's, corrupt Pakistani "politicians", various military dictatorships, democratically elected rulers like that old woman in Bangladesh, that guy in Afghanistan etc. are the best ever, while all the rulers in the GCC are the worst rulers of not only the Muslim world but the entire planet. Not only currently but throughout the world's entire history. "Presidents" like Gaddafi, Al-Assad, Saddam, Saleh, Mubarak, Ben Ali etc. are in another league as well. Are you happy now?

Just take a look at the shithole that the GCC is and how much the people in the GCC suffer. Just take a look at how wonderful the resource rich Central Asian states, Sub-Saharan African states and South American states are doing and their people. In particular Venezuela that has less oil than everybody else. It's a paradise in comparison with the GCC.

Let's create some civil wars and revolutions and turn the GCC into another Iran, Syria or Iraq where democratically elected "politicians" are ruling. Or have another Erdogan ruling for 15 + years and creating tons of problem for himself and his country and people. Or a Putin. The average Russian sure lives much better than the average person in GCC. No comparison either!

The brutal reality for your likes is that you would give (at least the average person in you respective countries) a leg to live like the average GCC person does. That's why the GCC is the region home to most migrants in the world after the US.

And I will stand with my country and leaders to the death against hostile foreigners.

Understand that we stand with our country and people first and foremost (we have had 100's of different dynasties throughout Islamic history alone let alone pre-Islamic history where the Arab world was home to the oldest recorded dynasties and rulers in history) but obviously when uniformed foreigners have a very hostile tone against the leaders of our country while writing personal insults, being uninformed and not ready to have a serious objective discussion, you cannot expect me or others to take this seriously.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

Buddy holland is a little country with 16 mil people n thier gdp equals arabia, if 10 trill is blown outta propotion than atleast 4-5 trill was achievable given the amount of cash they had in hand to invest in industry, after setting up industrial base they could've opened imigration to muslim countries n that 30 mil population mark would've swollen easily to atleast 60 mil by now, more n more labour could also have been imported, after oil prices fell isnt the saudi king now trying to do exactly what i say they should've done decades ago...the former soviet union was isolated from most of the world due to the rift with west n than it fell n russia is to this day recovering from the collapse, russia is a unique case, too many other factors involved...

I am in agreement with you regarding KSA following a different path for their development but I have to disagree with the notion of allowing this mass immigration of Muslims from other parts of the world. Yes a US like approach to immigration by attracting some brilliant minds from around the world would have worked. But such a mass immigration as you describe would have been catastrophic to the social fabric of KSA. Arabs would have become a minority in their own country and that would have brought resentment against non-arabs and hence the national harmony could never have been achieved.

Kindly show me a reliable source from 2017 that confirms what you wrote.

Yes I stand corrected after finding a more recent source, but only on the part that Russia's exports are larger than that of whole Arab world, they are still largest in the world and almost double that of Qatar's.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2251rank.html

 

[mike2000 is back]

some comments on here crack me up.

 

[cloud4000]

Saudia Arabia threatened to sell $750 billion in US assets if US Congress passed a bill that would allow US citizens to sue the Saudis for 9/11.

http://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-threatens-to-sell-us-assets-over-911-bill-2016-4

Now they are thinking of taking their oil company public in US and investing $40 billion of the proceeds in US infrastructure.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Yes I stand corrected after finding a more recent source, but only on the part that Russia's exports are larger than that of whole Arab world, they are still largest in the world and almost double that of Qatar's.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2251rank.html

You might have had a long day as well. No problem.

Speaking about proven gas reserves, I wrote initially that Russia has the largest proven gas reserves in the world but a tiny country in comparison like Qatar, has half of the proven gas reserves that Russia has. Moreover the Arab world has bigger gas reserves in total than Russia and less land has been explored than in Russia.

Anyway 65 million big GCC (almost 2 trillion GDP) has a bigger economy than equally as resource rich (in fact Russia is richer in resources than the GCC but obviously not the entire Arab world) Russia that moreover has a over 2 times bigger population. Not only that Russia is the successor of a former world superpower (USSR) and a much more developed country scientifically (for obvious reasons) than the GCC which remain developing countries with very young populations whose modern-day scientific and educational output has just begun and in a quite promising fashion to say the least.

Saudia Arabia threatened to sell $750 billion in US assets if US Congress passed a bill that would allow US citizens to sue the Saudis for 9/11.

http://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-threatens-to-sell-us-assets-over-911-bill-2016-4

Now they are thinking of taking their oil company public in US and investing $40 billion of the proceeds in US infrastructure.

Which never occurred nor will that law see the light as the US will go bankrupt themselves as half of the world would be able to sue them. It would be a judicial and political suicide.

Moreover several American courts have already proven that KSA (government) had nothing to do with the 9/11. Cleared by the CIA and FBI as well.

As far as investments go, you are 44 year old yet unable to read entire threads not to embarrass yourself. KSA and USA have plans of investing 200 billion in EACH OTHERS countries. Mutual investments. Do you know what this is?

So the only joker is you, Indian. As usual.