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Saudis 'eye Pakistani nukes' to face Iran

Listen mosa I am getting fed up of you whining about us hating arabs but at the same time being an appologist for that ugly fat fxxxs known as the saudi royal family. For the last time we hate the regime but have nothing against joe average arabi including you

Muse among others force you to go on the diffesive on this forum. Never have I been so insulted in my entire life than I did here but I understand our past is dark and grim. So I don't blame everyone for thinking what they do we have it coming and it was our mistake. However I signed up in this forum not to defend the royal family but to show everyone that we have changed. Wallahe we have changed. We will never go back to what we were. And we are heading in the right direction.

King Abdullah reversed the entire policies of the past. The country could have been much more but we had about a 30 years of stagnation that we need to clean up. The sodairi part of the royal family is 180 degrees different of the current part of the royal family in power. King Faisal part is back.
 
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This is all non-sense propaganda.........Pakistan is on good terms with both.......and can mediate if necessary......nukes are not the answer......a big no no.

This is not a couple thousand soldiers Pakistan is sending to Saudi Arabia....but Nuclear killing machines.......i wouldn't trust the Saudis with that.....

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The OP is a bogus argument. I bet a lot of members here from all countries know the strategic issues then these 'experts'--e
For Heaven's Sake! Read it! It says that Dr. Qadeer Khan's strong association with KSA. What kind of bogus logic is this? Dr. Khan is disgraced, kicked out, or scape-goated, he is out of picture for a long, long time. And even if he was in picture he has himself admitted to trying to help Iran with nukes in the past.
Enough said!
 
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Sodies will never leave Uncle Sam - not unless they have a death wish --- Iran are a nation state, Arabia is a just a territory, Iran has a constitution, and representative government and citizenship, Arabia is a kingdom in which the rulers and their subject depend on foreign powers to support them and keep them in power - as long as these facts remain, Sodies will always be in uncle Sam's back pocket.

But what of those Pakistanis who may think that they can extract a bit of change from the Sodie by offering the Sodie a nuclear umbrella? -- Thus far, for all their faults and warts and corruption, neither the Pakistan armed forces nor the God forsaken political parties and politicians, at least thus far, have had this idea as a serious consideration. Could things change? Sure, most anything is subject to change.
What do you think personally is best for Pakistan sir...Protect Saudia by taking them into your nuclear umbrella? Or just let them alone and refrain from inviting any additional head aches?
 
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First of all I am half Turkish and an attack on either the ottoman empire or the current Saudi Arabia offends me. I read about both my ancestors thourghly and I came to the conclusion that the country I live had nothing to do with it. First growing up I was pissed at the Saudi government believing what most of you believe it certainly looks this way from the outside but this is not true.

Come one man, the least you can do is search up the facts, or should i spoon feed you your own history? Fact is that Founders of the modern state of Saudi Arabia played a key role in the Arab nationalist movement that later with the help of British back stabbed the Ottomans:

The kingdom of Saudi Arabia is almost entirely the creation of King Ibn Saud (1882–1953). A descendant of Wahhabi leaders, he seized Riyadh in 1901 and set himself up as leader of the Arab nationalist movement. By 1906 he had established Wahhabi dominance in Nejd and conquered Hejaz in 1924–1925.
Saudi Arabia: History, Geography, Government, and Culture — Infoplease.com

And here's more For you:
The Al Saud ruler accepted Ottoman suzerainty because it improved his political position. Nevertheless he made concurrent overtures to the British to rid Arabia of Ottoman influence. Finally, in 1913, and without British assistance, Abd al Aziz's armies drove the Ottomans out of Al Hufuf in eastern Arabia and thereby strengthened his position in Najd as well.
Ottoman Empire Saudi Arabia War 1913

Second of all you generalize an entire race....that is bad.

I say it how it is, bitter or sweet, about my country or someone else's.
 
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Muse among others force you to go on the diffesive on this forum. Never have I been so insulted in my entire life than I did here but I understand our past is dark and grim. So I don't blame everyone for thinking what they do we have it coming and it was our mistake. However I signed up in this forum not to defend the royal family but to show everyone that we have changed. Wallahe we have changed. We will never go back to what we were. And we are heading in the right direction.

King Abdullah reversed the entire policies of the past. The country could have been much more but we had about a 30 years of stagnation that we need to clean up. The sodairi part of the royal family is 180 degrees different of the current part of the royal family in power. King Faisal part is back.

I acept muse was having an off day. lol. But mosa you do defend the royalty in saudi, its no mitigation to say that the previous related leaders were at fault. House of saud has been a freind of america since the forties
 
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The biggest fear of the US is a saudi/iranian rapproachment.

It would remove the saudi need for protection from the US, and they can pursue an independent foreign policy.

The US would do anything to stop this.
 
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The biggest fear of the US is a saudi/iranian rapproachment.

It would remove the saudi need for protection from the US, and they can pursue an independent foreign policy.

The US would do anything to stop this.

and house of saud will help them to acheive their aim
 
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The biggest fear of the US is a saudi/iranian rapproachment.

It would remove the saudi need for protection from the US, and they can pursue an independent foreign policy.

The US would do anything to stop this.

Truer words have never been spoken on this topic!
 
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and house of saud will help them to acheive their aim

I might disagree as bad as the house of saud is there the only thing holding back the Wahabi Radicals, There pretty liberal, if they were to fall Oil prices, not to mention the Wahabi would start WW3, just my opinion.
 
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Come one man, the least you can do is search up the facts, or should i spoon feed you your own history? Fact is that Founders of the modern state of Saudi Arabia played a key role in the Arab nationalist movement that later with the help of British back stabbed the Ottomans:


Saudi Arabia: History, Geography, Government, and Culture — Infoplease.com

And here's more For you:

Ottoman Empire Saudi Arabia War 1913



I say it how it is, bitter or sweet, about my country or someone else's.

He did not interfere in the hijaz and world war 1 process until after the war was over. The ottomans had no military personnel in the eastern region they were other baron type governments that faught each other there all the time even during ottoman rule. They knew that Al-Hijaz was a no no. He only went there when the war was over. Baron like governments fighting each otherntherenwas the norm at the time.
 
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As bad as they are it's just my personal Opinion the house of Saud needs to stay just for a while.... If they were to fall the Wahabis would take control and they hate shia's who they see as infidels the first thing they would do is declare war on Iran, Cut off Oil, etc etc WW3 just my Opinion
 
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I might disagree as bad as the house of saud is there the only thing holding back the Wahabi Radicals, There pretty liberal, if they were to fall Oil prices, not to mention the Wahabi would start WW3, just my opinion.

The current government is a liberal government. Infatuated with readying the people for change in regarding liberal issues like the aw very famous women driving. King Faisal who was anti-US was also liberal at his time we had movie theaters. Plays musicals fashion shows etc. King Fahad used the rigged interpretation to further his gain.

Also during Eid I saw a musical in Jeddah. That's what I meant al along.
 
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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, Sept. 15 (UPI) -- Saudi Arabia has been beefing up its military links with Pakistan to counter Iran's expansionist plans and this reportedly includes acquiring atomic arms from the only Muslim nuclear power or its pledge of nuclear cover.

Pakistan has become a front-line state for Sunni Islam and is being positioned by its leaders, particularly in the powerful military and intelligence establishments, as a bulwark against Shiite Iran and its proxies.

Increasingly, Pakistan is rushing to the defense of Saudi Arabia, with whom it has a long had discreet security links. It is reported to have put two army divisions on standby for deployment to Saudi Arabia if the kingdom is threatened by Iran or the pro-democracy uprisings sweeping the Arab world.

It is even reported to be prepared to provide Saudi Arabia with nuclear weapons if threatened by Iran. In return, it has been promised Saudi Arabian oil and treasure.

The Saudis have portrayed the roiling rivalry with the Iranians as a new, menacing chapter of the 1,300-year-old struggle between Sunni and Shiite Islam.

"The stakes are enormous," says Bruce Riedel, a former CIA counter-terrorism specialist.

"Pakistan has the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world. It will soon surpass the United Kingdom as the fifth-largest nuclear arsenal. It is the sixth-largest country in the world in terms of population," Riedel wrote in the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel.

"It will soon surpass Indonesia as the country with the largest Muslim population."

The Saudis have long had close relations with Pakistan and there have been persistent reports that they, and other Persian Gulf states, have funded Islamabad's nuclear arms program for decades.

It is widely held in the Middle East that if Iran does produce nuclear weapons Pakistan will provide the Saudis with weapons from Islamabad's stockpile.

The Saudis have had close links with Abdul Qadeer Khan, father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb who provided nuclear expertise to Iran, Libya and North Korea until he was exposed in 2003.

The Pakistanis insist Khan, a revered national hero in his homeland, was acting on his own. But it is generally accepted that his "nuclear supermarket" couldn't have functioned without official approval.

Khan has admitted visiting Saudi Arabia as many as 50 times over the years and hosted Saudi officials visiting Pakistan several times.

"Given these connections, including persistent reports that the Saudis helped finance Pakistan's nuclear program, the kingdom's proximity to Iran, and its concern about the rise of (Shiite) transnationalism, Saudi Arabia is included on most analysts' list of countries likely to consider nuclear weapons as a security hedge if Iran acquires them," the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London observed in a 2006 analysis.

Concerns about Saudi plans to buy ready-made nuclear weapons, rather than go through the lengthy and verifiable process of developing their own, were raised in June 1994.

A Saudi defector, Mohammed Khilewi, the No. 2 official in the Saudi mission to the United Nations in New York, claimed Riyadh had paid up to $5 billion to Saddam Hussein to build it a nuclear weapon.

Khilewi, an expert in nuclear proliferation who was the Saudi delegate to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, had produced 13,000 documents to support his claim the kingdom engaged in a secret 20-year effort to acquire nuclear weapons, first with Iraq, which Riyadh backed in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war, and then with Pakistan.

Khilewi's documents showed that Riyadh helped bankroll Pakistan's clandestine nuclear project and signed a pact that in the event Saudi Arabia was attacked with nuclear weapons, Islamabad would respond against the aggressor with its own nuclear arms.

The Wall Street Journal and Britain's Guardian daily said a leading Saudi royal, Prince Turki al-Faisal, warned U.S. and British military commanders meeting outside London June 8 that if Tehran didn't curtail its nuclear program, Riyadh would seek nuclear weapons of its own.

Iranian acquisition of nuclear arms, the prince said, "would compel Saudi Arabia … to pursue policies which could lead to untold and possibly dramatic consequences."

Turki, who headed Saudi Arabia's General Intelligence Directorate in 1977-2001, didn't spell out what those consequences might be but a senior official in Riyadh observed, "We cannot live in a situation where Iran has nuclear weapons and we don't.

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Saudis 'eye Pakistani nukes' to face Iran - UPI.com

Actual target of this kind of stuff is PAK-IRAN relationship unacceptable for some countries.
 
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