Saudi Women Driving issue

[Leader]

many ladies as a protest have driven cars in Saudi Arabia today. GEO NEWS.

 

[desioptimist]

LOL - good question.

Well I note you are Indian but as a Pakistani I would say, we've got our own share of problems to deal with than to worry about others. Besides if Mullahism spreads the way it is going in Pakistan - we would have young girls scared of leaving their house to go to school, college or university much less driving.

This issue becomes very relevant to the rest of us when foreign observers label Saudi laws to be representative of Muslims or Islam in general which is far from being the case.

Secular, nice to see you contributing from day 1.
I have a small request, can you change the font to the normal font that everybody else is using.

 

[EagleOne]

Things are going to change in the Islamic nations one day or the other. Its the nature of humans to demand freedom. Oppression is a time bomb counting down to explosion. The government in these countries would be wise to pay attention to this fundamental issue.

 

[silko]

Things are going to change in the Islamic nations one day or the other. Its the nature of humans to demand freedom. Oppression is a time bomb counting down to explosion. The government in these countries would be wise to pay attention to this fundamental issue.

if america stoped the oil transport and the rest of the world to from the saudi sheikhs, maybe the king will not have that much money to give his population! then those idiotic saudis will wake up and ask for reforms!

 

[Patriot]

Saudis are perverted sick people.They have no problem !ing women but have problem about women driving.Thanks God Pakistan does not have this kind of law.

 

[Cloakedvessel]

A couple of things to keep idiotic comments on this topic out.

Now, as for the status of women..
In the Quran it says that woman is an inferior creation..
Most will use it to show that women are inferior to men.
INCORRECT!
Women are an inferior creation in the eyes of god, not inferior as a person.. but as a creation, as a process.. since in Islamic teachings women were created from the rib of the man.. a derivation.. not an entirely new creation. Therefore where the creative process it concerned, it is less of an effort as was man.
This is from gods point of view , and his point of view on his effort. Not his point of view as far as his love, his mercy is concerned.. he loves both man and woman equally.

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Women In Islam

Fear of God and honoring one’s fellow men – this is the twin foundation of Islam laid down in the Qur’an in these words:
"Mankind, fear your Lord who created you from one soul and created man’s mate from the same soul, form these two scattering on earth many men and women. Fear God, in whose name you entreat one another, and be careful not to sever your ties of kinship. Allah is watching over what you do."
The words, "and created man’s mate from the same soul" have been explained as meaning that first Adam was created from earth; then a rib was taken from his body, out of which Eve – his mate – was formed. But there is nothing in the Qur’an to support this theory. It is a biblical explanation, not a Qur’anic one. Here is what the Book of Genesis has to say about the creation of Eve:
"And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; "And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of man.
From this biblical tradition comes the theory that Eve was created from Adam’s rib. This story has been given credence by some commentators of the Qur’an, who have used it to explain Eve’s creation "from the same soul as Adam." But this notion does not stand up in the face of established fact, and it has been proven that, over the centuries, the Bible has been subjected to alterations and additions. Its present form is no longer as the prophets originally taught it. Along with prophetic inspiration, it has received a fair injection of human interpolation. For this reason, one cannot rely on explanations given in the Bible, nor is it proper to explain verses of the Qur’an in the light of biblical statements.
Neither in the verse of the Qur’an quoted above, nor in any other verse of the Qur’an, is there any mention of Eve having been created from Adam’s rib. The Qur’an says only that Eve was created from "it." What this "it" refers to is the point in question. Most of those commentators who have penetrated deep into the meaning of the Qur’an have taken "it" to refer to "species": Eve was created – not from Adam himself – but from the same species as Adam. This is the explanation given – among others – by Abu Muslim Asfahani, and it is this explanation that fits in with other verses of the Qur’an.
In several verses of the Qur’an the world for "soul" (nafs) has been used to mean "species." Such verses provide a clear elucidation of the verse quoted above. A selection of them is given here:
"God has created for you spouses, of your own kind."
"And of His signs is that He has created for you – of your own kind – spouses, that you might take comfort in them."
"Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you spouses of your own kind, and the cattle He has also created in pairs."
From a perusal of these verses, one can see that the same word has been used for the spouses of ordinary human beings as was used for Adam’s spouse in the verse quoted above. Just as Eve was created from Adam’s nafs, so other women have also been created from the same nafs – or kind – as their male counterparts.
Clearly there is no question, in these other verses, of inferring that every female spouse has been created from the body of the male. There is no alternative but to take the word nafs, occurring in these verses, as meaning ‘kind.’ God has created for you spouses of your own kind, the Qur’an is telling us, in order that they may provide you with true companionship in your journey through life.
To summarize, women and men are from the same species. Biologically speaking, women have not been extracted from the bodies of their male counterparts. God fashioned them according to His Will, just as He fashioned men in accordance with His Almighty Will and Power.
Sayings of The Prophet
Now we come to certain sayings attributed to the Prophet Muhammad, in which the Arabic word dil’ has been mentioned for the word "rib." The first thing that has to be remembered here is that these traditions are about ordinary women, and do not refer to the creation of Adam and Eve. It is the manner of every woman’s creation that is being dealt with, not specifically that of Eve. One of the relevant sayings is as follows: "Treat women well, for they have been created from a rib."
Now this cannot be taken to mean that women have actually been created from a rib, for this has no connection with the point conveyed in the rest of the sentence, which is that women should be treated well. A correct interpretation of the word ‘rib’ has to be one that fits in with the underlying purpose behind the Prophet’s statement.
The statement, "women have been created from a "rib", should be taken metaphorically, not literally. What the Prophet wished to convey was this: "Women are akin to a rib and should be treated with due consideration." There is another tradition which explains what this means. "A woman is like a rib," said the Prophet, "if you try to straighten it, it will break."
This saying of the Prophet Muhammad, related in the Sahih of both Bukhari and Muslim – the most authentic collections of traditions – makes it clear that women are like ribs; they are not actually created from ribs. The allusion is figurative not literal. Light is also cast on the meaning of the metaphor. Ribs break when one tries to straighten them. So it is with women. Rather than try to straighten them, it is better to let them be.
"Women have been created from ribs," and "Women are like ribs," are just two different ways of saying the same thing. The Prophet used a parable to explain the delicacy of women’s nature, pointing out that they should be treated in accordance with their nature. Their delicate emotional constitution should always be borne in mind
Summarized from: "Women between Islam and Western Society"

Women In Islam | Baat Kar Le…………

 

[lonelyone]

Since when was Saudi Arabia an "Islamic" nation? They were created by rebelling against the Islamic Calilphate with the help of the British, their made up Wahhabi ideology was chosen because it allowed them to kill other Muslims. The monarchy funds the Wahhabi cult and empowers its cult leaders, and the Wahhabi cult legitimizes the King by keeping the people ignorant and telling them that its their "Islamic duty" to obey the King.

Read up the history of the Saudi state. Saudi Arabia was forever dependent on Western powers for its survival. First on Britain, then on the USA. It was never an "Islamic" state.

 

[SQ8]

Women In Islam

Fear of God and honoring one’s fellow men – this is the twin foundation of Islam laid down in the Qur’an in these words:
"Mankind, fear your Lord who created you from one soul and created man’s mate from the same soul, form these two scattering on earth many men and women. Fear God, in whose name you entreat one another, and be careful not to sever your ties of kinship. Allah is watching over what you do."
The words, "and created man’s mate from the same soul" have been explained as meaning that first Adam was created from earth; then a rib was taken from his body, out of which Eve – his mate – was formed. But there is nothing in the Qur’an to support this theory. It is a biblical explanation, not a Qur’anic one. Here is what the Book of Genesis has to say about the creation of Eve:
"And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; "And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of man.
From this biblical tradition comes the theory that Eve was created from Adam’s rib. This story has been given credence by some commentators of the Qur’an, who have used it to explain Eve’s creation "from the same soul as Adam." But this notion does not stand up in the face of established fact, and it has been proven that, over the centuries, the Bible has been subjected to alterations and additions. Its present form is no longer as the prophets originally taught it. Along with prophetic inspiration, it has received a fair injection of human interpolation. For this reason, one cannot rely on explanations given in the Bible, nor is it proper to explain verses of the Qur’an in the light of biblical statements.
Neither in the verse of the Qur’an quoted above, nor in any other verse of the Qur’an, is there any mention of Eve having been created from Adam’s rib. The Qur’an says only that Eve was created from "it." What this "it" refers to is the point in question. Most of those commentators who have penetrated deep into the meaning of the Qur’an have taken "it" to refer to "species": Eve was created – not from Adam himself – but from the same species as Adam. This is the explanation given – among others – by Abu Muslim Asfahani, and it is this explanation that fits in with other verses of the Qur’an.
In several verses of the Qur’an the world for "soul" (nafs) has been used to mean "species." Such verses provide a clear elucidation of the verse quoted above. A selection of them is given here:
"God has created for you spouses, of your own kind."
"And of His signs is that He has created for you – of your own kind – spouses, that you might take comfort in them."
"Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you spouses of your own kind, and the cattle He has also created in pairs."
From a perusal of these verses, one can see that the same word has been used for the spouses of ordinary human beings as was used for Adam’s spouse in the verse quoted above. Just as Eve was created from Adam’s nafs, so other women have also been created from the same nafs – or kind – as their male counterparts.
Clearly there is no question, in these other verses, of inferring that every female spouse has been created from the body of the male. There is no alternative but to take the word nafs, occurring in these verses, as meaning ‘kind.’ God has created for you spouses of your own kind, the Qur’an is telling us, in order that they may provide you with true companionship in your journey through life.
To summarize, women and men are from the same species. Biologically speaking, women have not been extracted from the bodies of their male counterparts. God fashioned them according to His Will, just as He fashioned men in accordance with His Almighty Will and Power.
Sayings of The Prophet
Now we come to certain sayings attributed to the Prophet Muhammad, in which the Arabic word dil’ has been mentioned for the word "rib." The first thing that has to be remembered here is that these traditions are about ordinary women, and do not refer to the creation of Adam and Eve. It is the manner of every woman’s creation that is being dealt with, not specifically that of Eve. One of the relevant sayings is as follows: "Treat women well, for they have been created from a rib."
Now this cannot be taken to mean that women have actually been created from a rib, for this has no connection with the point conveyed in the rest of the sentence, which is that women should be treated well. A correct interpretation of the word ‘rib’ has to be one that fits in with the underlying purpose behind the Prophet’s statement.
The statement, "women have been created from a "rib", should be taken metaphorically, not literally. What the Prophet wished to convey was this: "Women are akin to a rib and should be treated with due consideration." There is another tradition which explains what this means. "A woman is like a rib," said the Prophet, "if you try to straighten it, it will break."
This saying of the Prophet Muhammad, related in the Sahih of both Bukhari and Muslim – the most authentic collections of traditions – makes it clear that women are like ribs; they are not actually created from ribs. The allusion is figurative not literal. Light is also cast on the meaning of the metaphor. Ribs break when one tries to straighten them. So it is with women. Rather than try to straighten them, it is better to let them be.
"Women have been created from ribs," and "Women are like ribs," are just two different ways of saying the same thing. The Prophet used a parable to explain the delicacy of women’s nature, pointing out that they should be treated in accordance with their nature. Their delicate emotional constitution should always be borne in mind
Summarized from: "Women between Islam and Western Society"

Women In Islam | Baat Kar Le…………

Thank you for elaborating..
Metaphorically..
Women are a derivation of men..

 

[mirage 5000]

bally dance and half naked dress is allowed but driving no way lolz.