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Please , lie not ...

The motive was very clear to all of us ... You didn't post it to stop fighting ... You weren't ridiculed because of Quranic verses ( whom we all respect the most ) but because of your deceptiveness and " infidel " judgement ...

It was time you moved on to your favorite trick of " bringing in Islam " because you couldn't refute our arguments ...

Apparently we have Yoda in the forum....

And did you get into my heart to know what my motive is?? And if you are a Muslim isn't Quran the best refuter of any argument?? Wasn't our whole debate regarding Islam one way or the other?? When you people bring sects up you immediately throw Islam into the argument yourselves you know.
 
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The site itself isn't a terror site it just gives the Palestinian views, while you can see the difference with radical sites.

It has a image of two guys upholding the h. a. m. a. s*** flag, a some guys holding AK's and they all look like .h a* m. .a *$ soldiers.

They are considered a terrorist outfit by the West, just like the TaIiban once were.
 
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No I put up questions and you haven't answered them. You claimed that "Wahhabis" are a sect yet you didn't prove it. You claimed they say everyone not "Wahhabi" is infidel. I dared you to bring me a text from one of Abdul-Wahhab's books that say that yet you didn't bring anything up.

You yourself deny they exist but it's reality wahabism currently is used in saudi arabia, I didn't claim I know of this Wahabism consider shia's and other muslims infidels. it's starting to see like more of a cult for the saudi political power now.

Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab (Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab) (1703 – 1792) the Arab theologian, who was from what is present day Saudi Arabia, was effective in bringing adverse changes to the culture and practice of the people of Islam. Changes that reduced their educational benefits, knowledge and the stature of the people.
Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab was considered by many of his followers as a reformer of Islam, and by his opponents as an innovator and heretic. He contended that his movement was an effort to return Muslims to what he believed were the principles of Islam. There were those who believed that he was pious scholar who called the people to worship Allah according to the Quran. Others regarded him as one who would stop at nothing to gain power and manipulate others.
Those who were against Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab saw him as awakening the cult of the Kharijites, the cult that had murdered Caliph Omar. The cult regarded ordinary Muslims as hypocrites and apostates who could be killed with immunity. In referring to the cult it was stated: “They recite the Quran and consider it in their favor when it is against them. They transposed the Quran’s verses meant to refer to unbelievers and make them refer to believers”.
Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab’s intolerance and subversive teachings contributed to the destruction of the remaining vestiges of the Golden Years. He subverted the true religion of Islam by his deceptive edicts and teachings that violate God’s Commands. His teachings were eventually spread in Islam by force or arms.
The concepts and teachings of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab has similarities to those of the cult of Kharijites when it comes to life and death and teaching that which is contrary to the Quran. He advocated the position that all Muslims were disbelievers and had been so for 600 years. He taught that all unbelievers, which included Muslims who did not accept his teachings and Christians were to be put to death. He considered the existing governments as apostates and valid targets of Jihad.
Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab’s teachings were from a belief designated Tawhid.
Under Tawhid, any act that purports to make a rival to Allah prevents one from going to Paradise and condemns the person to the Fires of Hell.
Such provisions have had a very narrow and strict construction. Monuments on graves are a violation. Anyone who wears a charm violates Tawhid. Allah is the protector, it is contended that Allah will abandon a person who seeks protection from a Charm or shell. The same has been applied to wearing a necklace.
Knowledge such as determining the direction from the sun, stars, or moon is permissible. However, astrology that is deducing universe conditions from astronomical conditions violates the Tawhid.
Rain must be attributed to Allah. It cannot be attributed to other weather conditions. If it does, it violates Tawhid. The obligation is to attribute the rain and such other favors to Allah, who dispenses them to his worshipers.
Deeds in the world for the sake of humans are types of violations that leave nothing for the hereafter, except the fires of hell. Such deeds include those who seek life in the world and its glitter, the worship of gold or silver or the desire for unapproved garments.
Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab taught that all things that were new in Islam after the third century of the Muslim Era (about 900A.D) were spurious and must be wiped out. To him the great advances that Allah had provided for Islam were to be done away with.
Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab caused the ancient domes that were constructed above the graves of the Prophet Muhammad and his close friends and family to be demolished and the sites covered over. He preached against practices such as celebrating the birth of the Prophet Muhammad and visiting the graves of the Prophet’s close companions as innovations that were contrary to the worship of the one God, Allah. He declared trees to be religiously objectionable. He destroyed a tree that was beloved by the people. According to him, appreciation of a tree’s beauty could lead to apostasy (abandonment of a belief).
Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab’s campaign of vociferous preaching angered the residents of the Town of Huraimila, in which he resided. He was evicted from Huraimila and fled to his family’s holdings in Al Uyayna. While in Al Uyayna he dragged a woman, accused of adultery, out into a public square and stoned her to death.
Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab’s stoning was a violation of the teachings of the Quran. Stoning could not take place unless there was a trial where four (4) witnesses testified to the adultery. There was no testimony. The reaction to his behavior resulted in his being expelled from Al Uyayna.
In viewing both his actions and teachings it becomes clear that Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab either did not understand or did not care about the difference between honouring and worshiping. He violated the Quran and God’s Commands, without concern. His actions show him as an opportunist who put himself above both the Quran and God.
Being cast out made him an outcast with whom it was shameful to either marry or befriend. Having had two expulsions made his position even more precarious. Normally, under such circumstances his teachings would come to an end. Fate provided him with a future that would propel him and his theories to great notoriety.
After his expulsion from Al Uyayna, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab was invited to neighboring Al Dirriya by its ruler, Muhammad Ibn Saud. Muhammad ibn Saud and Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab became allies and entered into a pact that was beneficial to both.
Muhammad ibn Saud would implement Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab’s teachings and enforce them. Muhammad ibn Saud and his family would become temporal leaders of the movement. The Saud clan was then able to cloak its military ambitions in religion. They then had an ideological pretext to attack other Muslims. Other Muslim towns became licit targets as under the Wahhab deceptive teaching they were Polytheists, non believers. Those that Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab taught became known as Wahhabis even though he insisted his followers call themselves Al - Muwahhidun. The Wahhabis were protected by the recognition and expansions of their religion. They profited by receiving the spoils of war. Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab dispatched thirty emissaries to Mecca to request permission to perform a pilgrimage. The Judges of four officials Sunni schools of Islam heard the emissaries’ petition and rejected it. The judges accused Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab of being a deviant and forbade his followers from performing the annual Haji.
The Chief Mufti was so incensed, he wrote a book denouncing Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab’s teachings. The Amir of Meca, Shrif Mas’ud ibn Said, ordered the followers of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab to be arrested. The incident became a compelling incentive for the Saud-Wahhab alliance to capture and take control of the Holy cities of Mecca and Medina.
During the next half a century the Saud- Wahhabi alliance defeated their opponents and took control of the Holy cities of Mecca and Medina and eventually the majority of the Peninsula. The Wahhabis made good soldiers. They had no fear of death. Some even welcomed it.
Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab promised that the soldiers that fell in battle would have immediate entrance into Paradise. The virgin girls and easy life for eternity would be awaiting them in paradise. It was made to appear that those who died in battle would be better off than those who did not.
The Sauds were served well in that tight control of the populous was maintained. The concept of democracy or the truth of their religion did not exist and there was little education. The discovery of oil in the conquered lands brought the Sauds great wealth. Tripling the cost of oil in the mid 70’s provided funds for the Wahhabis’ expansions that spread their religion to other parts of the world. During the last 30 years, many Wahhabi Mosques have been built in countries around the world. A number have been established in the United States.
Wahhabism is now a world-wide problem. It consists of millions of members around the world that have been denied the truth of their religion and taught to hate. Most of the suicide bombers that were employed in Iraq came from Saudi Arabia. Due to Wahhabi teachings members are easy to convert to suicide bombers. Wahhabist books teach that Muslims should absolutely reject any non- Muslims practices including political ones.
The Wahhabis have used the riches from oil to suppress the moderate members of Islam. Contrary to the Commands of God, they condemn the Shiite and other non-Wahhabi Muslims, as infidels.
Neither the Wahhabis, nor the fundamentalists do anything of substance to advance the people of Islam. They suppress them. Both the Wahhabis and Fundamentalists are extremists such as the Prophet Muhammad warned against. They both defile a beautiful religion and prevent Islam from ascending to and surpassing the heights it had obtained during the Golden Years.
The Al-Queda differs substantially from the Wahhabis. However, Wahhabi members can be fodder that serves Al-Queda’s purpose. Due to the nature of their teachings, individual Wahhabis are such that they can be converted to serve Al-Queda.
The extremists and fundamentalists take the position that democracy must be eradicated because it is contrary to Sharia (Islamic Law). In their attempt to eradicate democracy and establish Sharia, they have caused great carnage in Ethiopia, formerly Abyssinia, where both Christianity and Judaism are still followed, Christian Abyssinia being the country that first gave sanctuary and protection to persecuted Muslims.
The Taliban in Afghanistan, under the rule of Mullah Omar, demonstrated the backward, cruel and unjust conditions that can exist under strict interpretation of Islamic Law. The Taliban is a combination of Wahhabi Orthodoxy and tribal customs.
Public executions and floggings were regular events in the soccer stadiums. Movies, television, music, and the Internet are banned.
Women are treated as though they have no importance other than bearing children. The all-covering Birka is mandatory. Women are whipped in public for having un-covered ankles. Women caught wearing finger nail polish are subject to having their fingers tips cut off.
Girls are forbidden to go to school. Women are banned from working outside the home. Women are prohibited from leaving the home without a male relative. Women are stoned to death for having sex outside of marriage. There are a multitude of other prohibitions against women.
Islamic law, Sharia, has no support in the true Quran. It serves as a means of subjugating women to male dominance and a means of perpetuating harsh punishment induced during the middle ages and continued by fanatics who have no concept of justice. It is a tool for those with a lust for power. Subjugating women to such control and deprivation of rights is considered a major reason why Islam has been unable to return to the glory of its Golden Years.

Mullah Omar himself has violated the words of Allah. He is an extremist that the Prophet Mohammad warned against. As such Mullah Omar has reduce himself to an infidel. He does not serve Allah.

The laws of Islam that are urged in these strict interpretations are contrary to the teachings of the Quran.
Those who formulate their own rules about who are believers and who are not violate the Quran. Extremists abide by their own rules and misinterpret the Quran to justify their killings. The Quran sets forth those who are believers and includes as believers all those who believe in the one God Allah, and no other.
If they so believe, they are believers whether they are Muslims, Jews or Christians.
The cardinal sin that is set forth in the Quran is to kill a believer. Such a killer is confined to hell for eternity and is subject to the special torments designed by God. Suicide bombers are solicited with the representation that they will be martyrs and go directly to Paradise. They will not be martyrs, as they have violated the Quran. They cannot go to Paradise because the Quran states they must go to the Fires of Hell for eternity.
God determines who goes to hell and who goes to Paradise, not some Imam, Mullah or other member of the clergy. Such a determination is not made until the Day of Resurrection. Suicide is also a sin that prevents one from going to Paradise. Suicide bombers and those who solicit them to become suicide bombers, including the clerics, will all go to the Fires of Hell. They are excluded from Paradise by the Quran.
 
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You yourself deny they exist but it's reality wahabism currently is used in saudi arabia, I didn't claim I know of this Wahabism consider shia's and other muslims infidels. it's starting to see like more of a cult for the saudi political power now..

Your article is reeking with biased representation. Again bring me something from his books. I have studied his books in school in the at most details. But I assure you again there is nothing I hate more than over religious people. And what is said in this article is false.

I told you to bring me a quote form him a genuine quote that says what you said and his books are out there if you wish it is not had to find. Bring me a true scientific method of critique instead of quoting articles with vague sources.

Edit: Hmmm interesting development we have here I believe you quoted this site??
http://www.thetruereligionofislam.com/the-wahhabis---muwahhidum

So regarding the name of the site and all how does that make him any different than those so called "Wahhabis" he is criticizing. He is openly calling him non-muslim and this Kafir so doesn't that make the maker of this site Takfiri himself?? so many questions come to mind.
 
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Your article is reeking with biased representation. Again bring me something from his books. I have studied his books in school in the at most details. But I assure you again there is nothing I hate more than over religious people. And what is said in this article is false.

I told you to bring me a quote form him a genuine quote that says what you said and his books are out there if you wish it is not had to find. Bring me a true scientific method of critique instead of quoting articles with vague sources.

It's not biased it states clearly with what the wahabi ideology teaches do you deny wahabism isn't militant or it considers shia's and other Muslims to be infidels do you believe suicide gets you into heaven when it is condemned wow you need to really brush up on what you learn.

Wahabs book is widely taught in Saudi Arabia shouldn't you know all about it ?

Wahhabi sunni muslims say shias and certain other non-Wahhabi Muslims are infidels.
Quote from Wahhabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Destruction of Islam's early historical sites
Main article: Destruction of sites associated with early Islam
The Wahhabi teachings strongly disapprove of veneration of the historical sites associated with early Islam, on the grounds that only God should be worshipped and that veneration of sites associated with mortals leads to idolatry. Consequently, a significant number of buildings associated with early Islam, historic mosques, mausoleums and other artifacts have been destroyed in Saudi Arabia by the Wahhabi followers from early 1800s through the present day. This practice has proved controversial and has received considerable criticism from the Sunni and Shia Muslims and in the non-Muslim world

Quote from Wahhabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Attitudes towards Non-Muslims
A study by the NGO Freedom House found Wahhabi publications in a number of mosques in the United States preaching that Muslims should not only "always oppose" infidels "in every way", but "hate them for their religion , for Allah's sake", that democracy "is responsible for all the horrible wars of the 20th century", and that Shia and certain other non-Wahhabi Muslims were INFIDELS

Quote from Wahhabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Because they gave themselves the ultimate right to declare people Kuffar (plural of Kafir or infidels), Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab's followers led an army which occupied Ta’if and Mecca (Makkah). This was followed by massacres of unarmed Muslims (including men, women, and children) and the destruction of many graves and holy sites. Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab also considered destroying the house where the Prophet Muhammad was born and destroyed Sufi shrines and sacred tombs in Mecca and Medina, including the grave of Prophet Muhammad and his companions, out of fear that it might be worshipped.

Source: Wahhabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

he himself has done this

http://www.bandung2.co.uk/books/Fil... Mission and Saudi Arabia - David Commins.pdf
 
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It's not biased it states clearly with what the wahabi ideology teaches do you deny wahabism isn't militant or it considers shia's and other Muslims to be infidels do you believe suicide gets you into heaven when it is condemned wow you need to really brush up on what you learn.

Wahabs book is widely taught in Saudi Arabia shouldn't you know all about it ?

Wahhabi sunni muslims say shias and certain other non-Wahhabi Muslims are infidels.
Quote from Wahhabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Destruction of Islam's early historical sites
Main article: Destruction of sites associated with early Islam
The Wahhabi teachings strongly disapprove of veneration of the historical sites associated with early Islam, on the grounds that only God should be worshipped and that veneration of sites associated with mortals leads to idolatry. Consequently, a significant number of buildings associated with early Islam, historic mosques, mausoleums and other artifacts have been destroyed in Saudi Arabia by the Wahhabi followers from early 1800s through the present day. This practice has proved controversial and has received considerable criticism from the Sunni and Shia Muslims and in the non-Muslim world

Quote from Wahhabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Attitudes towards Non-Muslims
A study by the NGO Freedom House found Wahhabi publications in a number of mosques in the United States preaching that Muslims should not only "always oppose" infidels "in every way", but "hate them for their religion , for Allah's sake", that democracy "is responsible for all the horrible wars of the 20th century", and that Shia and certain other non-Wahhabi Muslims were INFIDELS

Quote from Wahhabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Because they gave themselves the ultimate right to declare people Kuffar (plural of Kafir or infidels), Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab's followers led an army which occupied Ta’if and Mecca (Makkah). This was followed by massacres of unarmed Muslims (including men, women, and children) and the destruction of many graves and holy sites. Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab also considered destroying the house where the Prophet Muhammad was born and destroyed Sufi shrines and sacred tombs in Mecca and Medina, including the grave of Prophet Muhammad and his companions, out of fear that it might be worshipped.

Source: Wahhabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

he himself has done this

http://www.bandung2.co.uk/books/Fil... Mission and Saudi Arabia - David Commins.pdf

You even claim to know what I believe in and what I don't. And here let me show you the sources of the Wikipedia article you just put:
^ a b c "Wahhabi Kafir". GlobalSecurity.org. 2005-04-27. Archived from the original on 2005-05-07. Retrieved 2008-05-10.
« Saudi Wahhabism is the most dangerous religious currents », El Khabar Ousbouî, 30 août 2010
DeLong-Bas, Natana J. (2004). Wahhabi Islam: From Revival and Reform to Global Jihad. Oxford University Press, USA. p. 42. ISBN 0-19-516991-3. First edition.
THE BEGINNING AND SPREADING OF WAHHABISM
^ http://mailofislam.webstarts.com/uploads/fitna-tul-wahhabiyyah.pdf
^ Fitanatul Wahhabiya - LET US CORRECT OUR ISLAMIC FAITH
^ John R Bradley, Saudi's Shi'ites walk tightrope, Asia Times, March 17, 2005
^ "Radicalism: Its Wahhabi Roots and Current Representation",[dead link] Islamic Supreme Council of America
^ The Islamists Have it Wrong By Abdul Hadi Palazzi Middle East Quarterly, Summer 2001
^ Wahhabism: A deadly scripture
^ Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism and the Spread of Sunni Theofascism
And the list goes on and on. Clearly unbiased sources. Especially the first one "Wahhabi Kafir" which is what this whole Wikipedia page is built on which again confirms what I said earlier that you come from a Takfiri background or at least fueled by Takfiri backgrounds. Which again proves the old saying "When you point a finger three point back at you".
 
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they are not biased unless you accept suicide bombing gets you into heaven do you believe that mosa ? how about the ideology from chechnya to central asia to afghan pakistan there is noting to hide you yourself are one of the biggest hypocrites not to mention no other member then saudis here get to call people kafirs why is that ? this has gotten to the point where Russia and other countries have banned it ? it's gotten to a point where it's reality wake up and smell the coffee now son.
 
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they are not biased unless you accept suicide bombing gets you into heaven do you believe that mosa ? how about the ideology from chechnya to central asia to afghan pakistan there is noting to hide you yourself are one of the biggest hypocrites not to mention no other member then saudis here get to call people kafirs why is that ? this has gotten to the point where Russia and other countries have banned it ? it's gotten to a point where it's reality wake up and smell the coffee now son.

There is no such thing as Wahhabism in the first place. So every ensuing discussion regarding this is naught. And you have failed to answer any of my questions which further proves my arguments. I only gave you a simple set of questions but you simply couldn't answer them. So tell me NC who is the biggest Hypocrite?? The news about Russia banning this so called "Wahhabism" equals the banning of Aliens to me. Only in this regard we really don't know if Aliens really exist or not but we know that Wahhabism doesn't exist. And thank you for resorting to personal insults NC.

And lastly. I am not your son so never call me that again.
 
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There is no such thing as Wahhabism in the first place. So every ensuing discussion regarding this is naught. And you have failed to answer any of my questions which further proves my arguments. I only gave you a simple set of questions but you simply couldn't answer them. So tell me NC who is the biggest Hypocrite?? The news about Russia banning this so called "Wahhabism" equals the banning of Aliens to me. Only in this regard we really don't know if Aliens really exist or not but we know that Wahhabism doesn't exist. And thank you for resorting to personal insults NC.

And lastly. I am not your son so never call me that again.

Believe what you want but in reality might be different, I've answered every question yet you cannot accept it's not my fault you cannot see reality why the wahabi ideology is getting banned in Russia and Central Asia just be aware on why Saudi Arabia is getting seen in a negative light. personal insults like calling people insects to die ? Really I though we had a father son relationship. but I guess it's an end to this discussion.

Thanks for the info NeutralCitizen about Wahhabism... I never thought it was a threat before... Thanks again

Your welcome. just stay informed.
 
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Believe what you want but in reality might be different, I've answered every question yet you cannot accept it's not my fault you cannot see reality why the wahabi ideology is getting banned in Russia and Central Asia just be aware on why Saudi Arabia is getting seen in a negative light. personal insults like calling people insects to die ? Really I though we had a father son relationship. but I guess it's an end to this discussion.

No you have not answered a single question of mine.

So I will ask them again just to remind you of it:"Who are these "Wahhabis" you speak of?? Who identifies himself as "Wahhabi" Shias say they are Shias. Sunnis say they are Sunnis Sufis say they are Sufis but who calls himself "Wahhabi"??

Each one of those has a distinct feature in them in their religious practice what is the distinct feature of the Islamic practice of these "Wahhabis" you speak of?? please do tell."

What are you trying to prove here?

1. Jordan is EVIL?

2. Wahabis are EVIL?

3. The lawyer is being FRAMED?


You are subject hopping and hoping something sticks. Its obviously not working, pal.

Look at this news:
Divorce, Saudi style: Man splits with
When something as a Saudi man divorcing his wife becomes headline news then some questions must be asked. Which further asserts what I said earlier. If a Saudi as much as miss to pee exactly on the center of toilet then it will also make headline news tell me what does that tell you??
 
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فريق من المحامين السعوديين يتطوع للدفاع عن أحمد الجيزاوى

فريق الدفاع السعودي القاهرة : عناوين
توجه وفد من المحامين السعوديين إلى القنصلية المصرية بجدة السبت 28 ابريل 2012 ، لتقديم طلب للقنصل العام القائم بأعمال السفارة ماهر المهدى، للتطوع بالدفاع عن أحمد الجيزاوى المتهم فى قضية تهريب حبوب مخدرة، وذلك بصحبة محمود الرفاعى المحامى المصرى، والمستشار القانونى المقيم بالمملكة العربية السعودية.
أشار المحامون، فى اتصال هاتفى، بـصحيفة "اليوم السابع" المصرية إلى أنهم قرروا الدفاع عن الجيزاوى حرصا منهم على العلاقات الطيبة التى تربط الشعبين المصرى والسعودى مشيرين إلى أن الحديث عن القضية فى وسائل الإعلام هو ما أعطاها شكلا أكبر بكثير من حجمها.
وأوضح محمد سعيد الحمرى أحد المحامين السعوديين أن التحقيقات مازالت مستمرة ولا صحة لما ينشر فى الصحف سواء المصرية أوالسعودية مكتفيا بالقول إنهم واثقون فى القضاء السعودى وقادرون على إثبات براءة المتهم المصرى أحمد الجيزاوى حتى يهدأ الشارع المصرى الذى نكن له كل الحب والتقدير.
والمحامون أسماؤهم عبد الرحمن راشد محمد السهيلى ومحمد سعيد محمد الحمرى، وحاتم إبراهيم شتيفى.
فيما توجهه المستشار القانونى للقنصلية المصرية بجدة ياسر علوانى لإدارة مكافحة المخدرات حتى يتم تمكين الجيزاوى من عمل الوكالة الشرعية لهم لكى يبدأوا فى الإجراءات القانونية وفى حضور التحقيقات أمام جهات التحقيق والمحاكم.
وجاء نص الطلب: نتشرف بالإحاطة بما يلى
رغبتنا فى التطوع للدفاع عن المواطن أحمد محمد ثروت الشهير بأحمد الجيزاوى فى القضية المعروضة أمام الجهات القضائية السعودية، وذلك فى كافة المشورات القانونية اللازمة، وما يتبعها من مرافعة أمام المحاكم تأكيدا منا على روح العلاقة الطيبة بين الشعبين المصرى والسعودى.

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