Saudi Arabia, Zionism, Peace and the Palestinian Cause

[Cheetah786]

This is the 3rd time, you have opened a thread with same content material and similar title.

Anything you want to tell us about ?

Nothing wrong with spreading the message and letting people no the truth i am not sure why you are keeping track yet dont participate in discussion.

 

[longbrained]

In 2006 when Israel attacked Lebanon, and put siege to Gaza, Saudis supported Israel. They were thinking Israel will destroy and occupy Lebanon the same way US did with Iraq. No surprise there, but when they saw that Hizbullah is winning after weeks of fighting, and the muslims all around the world were supporting Hizbullah, they switched sides, despite the fact that Hizbullah is hated in Saudi power circles. So much so for their foreign policy.

 

[lem34]

In 2006 when Israel attacked Lebanon, and put siege to Gaza, Saudis supported Israel. They were thinking Israel will destroy and occupy Lebanon the same way US did with Iraq. No surprise there, but when they saw that Hizbullah is winning after weeks of fighting, and the muslims all around the world were supporting Hizbullah, they switched sides, despite the fact that Hizbullah is hated in Saudi power circles. So much so for their foreign policy.

More than that:
BBC News - Wikileaks: Saudis urge force to destroy Hezbollah


Saudi Arabia proposed an Arab-led military force to destroy Hezbollah in Lebanon two years ago, a US diplomatic cable published by Wikileaks suggests.

Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal presented a senior US diplomat with a plan for a force backed by US and Nato air and sea power.

The US responded by expressing scepticism about the military feasibility of the plan.

So basically the Muslims that were most successful against Israel. That smashed the IDF invincibility story the Saudis wanted to create Taliban in Lebanon against them. Evil family of snakes

 

[fd24]

This is the 3rd time, you have opened a thread with same content material and similar title.

Anything you want to tell us about ?

I think its blatantly obvious why. Its most important to spread the message about where we stand with the Saudi Arabian government. They are an embarrassment in their dedication and support they show the Americans - they have complete disregard and respect of anyone else but themselves.
Many people feel almost blasphemous if they sense criticism towards SA. Lets be clear about this - its not about Islam and its not about the Saudi people - its the dumbos self appointed royal *** of a family that dont know their ar*se from their elbow.

 

[lem34]

The leader of the Houthi movement in Yemen says Saudi Arabia is an enemy to the entire Muslim world, accusing the Kingdom of creating hatred and hostility,

Mohamed Badreddin al-Houthi said in an interview with Press TV that Saudi Arabia is “an enemy to all the free people of the world, including non-Muslims.”

“It manufactures terrorism and an ideology that divides the people, divides Muslims, creates hatred and hostility,” Houthi added.

The Yemeni figure, who is the brother of the late leader of the movement, Hussein Badreddin al-Houthi, further explained that in 2009 the Saudis “bribed the tribal leaders within the Houthi movement into favoring the Salafi-Wahabi ideology” so that they can control the border region between Yemen and Saudi Arabia, especially the northwestern city of Sa'ada.

In 2009, clashes broke out between the Houthi fighters and Saudi forces along the common border between the two countries. The Houthis accused Saudi Arabia of supporting the Yemeni government in attacks against them.

Houthi pointed out that the Saudi regime “would spend hundreds of thousands if not millions” to achieve its goals.

Hussein al-Houthi and a number of his men were killed in an attack launched by Yemeni government forces in an area close to the border with the Kingdom in September 2004.

Yemeni dictator Ali Abdullah Saleh has repeatedly claimed that if he hands over power, Yemen would be divided into multiple states.

Mohamed al-Houthi, however, said the Yemeni nation “cannot be separated,” adding that the most important thing for the movement is “how to serve this nation, our Ummah, how to protect our morals and religious principles.”

“We want dignity and independence. We will not accept continuation of Saleh scenario. We had enough during the 33 years [of his rule]. We cannot be fooled again,” Houthi said.

Saleh, who was injured in an attack on the presidential palace in June, returned to Yemen on September 23 after receiving treatment in Saudi Arabia.

Demonstrators in Yemen have been holding protests against the US-backed Saleh regime since late January, demanding the trial of the Yemeni dictator for the brutal crackdown on the popular uprising.

According to local reports, hundreds of Yemenis have been killed and thousands more have been injured since the onset of the popular uprising in the country.

It is something that can not be missed but where the incumbent government is anti american the west cares so much for human rights and democracy but in the case of Saudi or Yemen they are silent. This is clearly because Saudi is a puppet and complicit with Zionist and American designs on our people

 

[Kaniska]

What is the view point of Saudi people about their Royal Familly? Do they like it?

 

[FriendOfPakistan]

Don't expect any Saudi to tell you truth on this forum... their IP addresses will be duly noted by Saudi security.

Those who have an easy life and good money would probably not complain, unless they are intellectuals who have high ideals. Most people care about their own pockets ... if they are full, no problem.

I think the British once said, to keep population calm, feed Arabs, and keep Iranians hungry.

What is the view point of Saudi people about their Royal Familly? Do they like it?

 

[lem34]

What is the view point of Saudi people about their Royal Familly? Do they like it?

well there have been some reports that there have been protests but this is what I meant earlier that we don't hear any noises from western press cos they like Saudi fat ugly rulers. In Saudi they are using a combination of carrot and stick but its only a matter of time that this fat bloated family are deposed of.


Gulf states remain on waiting list for Arab Spring

In a year of momentous upheaval across the Arab world, Arab Gulf states appeared to weather the storm, but for how long?

Mohamed Abdel-Baky , Sunday 1 Jan 2012

Almost a year after the Arab Spring ousted the first Arab authoritarian regime in Tunisia, opening the door for millions of Arabs to demand democracy and social justice, in the Gulf, oil-rich sheikhdoms are showing unwillingness to align themselves with the new possibilities the Arab Spring harbours.

Since day one, monarchical regimes in the Gulf adopted a systematic policy — internal and foreign — to ensure that the Arab uprisings did not make it to their shores. Meanwhile, the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), led by Saudi Arabia, played a clear role in shaping the uprisings in its neighbour countries like Yemen, Bahrain and Oman, either through military intervention or financial aid.

Internally, most Gulf monarchies avoided using the security solution in facing down street protests, offering social and economic benefits to their citizens.

In Saudi Arabia, the wealthiest Gulf state, the regime was faster than the democratic movement. In the first week after his arrival to Riyadh following medical treatment in the US, King Abdullah launched the largest programme in the kingdom's history to increase social and economic benefits to Saudi citizens

The programme included the creation of 60,000 jobs in the military and security agencies, and the establishment of an anti-corruption committee to fight graft. The programme, which took a month to be prepared by a special team, targeted three main age and social groups: university students, fresh graduating youth, and government employees. The three sectors were pioneers in protest movements that spread in Arab countries over the year.

In the 15-24 age group, unemployment in Saudi Arabia is reported to be almost 40 per cent. To meet the sector's demands, King Abdullah ordered that 40 billion riyals ($10.7 billion) be pumped into the country's development fund, which provides interest free loans to Saudis who want to build homes, get married or start small businesses.

Meanwhile, state employees got a 15 per cent pay rise, and for the first time the king approved to set a minimum wage of 3,000 riyals ($800) a month for government employees.

Politically, the Saudi regime decided to amend some municipal elections regulations, the most significant of which was to allow Saudi women for the first time the right to vote and run for elections in 2015. The Saudi king took the decision after feminist groups became strong, calling for freedoms and gender equality.

A few months ago, hundreds of Saudi women protested against a ban on women driving. Security forces and conservative Islamic groups could not stand against the protest as the feminist movement put the Saudi regime under the spotlight, bringing the world's attention to women's freedom in the kingdom.

In a similar move, Qatar's emir took an initiative to advance political reform by holding early elections for the Shura Council, the legislative authority, in 2013. The announcement came after a few months of online calls — mainly on Facebook — for more freedom and political reform in Qatar.

Some observers believe that until Gulf regimes adopt serious reforms, challenges will resurface. “Gulf citizens do not want their presence to remain marginal with zero participation in ruling their countries,” said Gamel Zeyabi, a Saudi expert in Gulf affairs.

“Gulf regimes still control the steering wheel of political change. At this point, they can still determine the direction of where to take their societies rather than having the route forced upon them like in Egypt and Tunisia,” said Christian Koch, director of the Gulf Research Centre Foundation.

Regionally, GCC states played a major role in the Libyan revolution when they pushed the Arab League to approve the no-fly zone decision as well giving NATO troops legitimate cover to intervene and protect civilians from Gaddafi troops. Qatar became the first Arab state to recognise the National Transitional Council as the legitimate representative of the Libyan people. It also offered its status and experience in OPEC to help the new Libyan government market Libyan oil and gas production.

Qatar also sponsored an international conference held in Doha that was the first meeting of the so-called “Libya Contact Group” created to boost the reconstruction of Libya.

Some GCC countries also offered financial aid to the Egyptian economy after the fall of Mubarak's regime, and put time and effort into the Yemeni issue until Ali Abdullah Saleh stepped down based on a Gulf initiative. However, the GCC's most significant regional move in 2011 was the military intervention in Bahrain to quell unrest and protect the Al-Khalifa royal family.

On March 14, more than 1,000 GCC troops, mostly Saudi soldiers, arrived to Manama. Another 500 police from the UAE joined the GCC force later. The GCC said that its troops entered Bahrain to maintain the stability of the country upon the request of King Hamad Bin Isa Al-Khalifa.

For the US administration, the situation in Bahrain was a real challenge. Bahrain is home to the US Navy's 5th Fleet. While the Obama administration announced its support for the peaceful protest, and called for serious democratic reform, it turned a blind eye when the GCC sent troops into Bahrain to protect the Sunni monarchy.

A US diplomat in Washington who spoke to Ahram Online on condition of anonymity said the Obama administration did not support the Saudi decision to intervene in Manama, but Riyadh refused to change its mind, arguing that it was interference "meant to protect the stability of the Gulf region”.

The GCC intervention was supported by the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and Oman, with most sending a small number of troops.

The US diplomat added that the Saudi move came three weeks after Washington pressured Manama to withdraw Bahraini military units from the streets: the intervention "contradicted US administration policy, which encouraged political dialogue”.

Bahrain was not the first location in the region in which Saudi Arabia resorted to the military option to curb what it sees as an Iranian threat —potentially fought through Shia communities as proxies — to Saudi hegemony in the region.

In 2009, the Saudi Arabia launched a three month war in northern Yemen against the Shia Houthis rebel movement, which it believed to be linked to Iran. However, Bahrain was different to Yemen, as the problem was not a rebel group, but a call by hundreds of thousands for democratic and constitutional change.

“The Saudis and GCC at large did not get it; they do not understand that the uprising came from inside, and a regional power like Iran or the US has nothing to do with it. People wanted their voice to be heard,” Nabil Ragab, a prominent Bahraini activist, told Ahram Online.

“Bahrain is the most fragile country among the GCC. The regime failed over the last decade to meet the political or economic demands of its people. Sooner or later it will collapse. It is about time,” Ragab added.

Simply the answer is the tinpots despots are bribing or bullying their people to stay in power

 

[lem34]

Guys do you think that its Mossa calling George Galloway


George Galloway owns Saudis! - YouTube

 

[Serpentine]

No surprise at all.The Saudi regime is nothing more than a puppet.their sole mission is to protect U.S interests in region which leads to protection of Israel's interests.The family ruling the country,they are not Muslims.
Just considering the fact that the country is named after a corrupt family,then everything speaks for itself.Even with the largest oil reserves in the world and an extraordinary wealth in country,now 40% of population live under poverty line because every single prince of this corrupt family,wants it's share from the oil money.

 

[fd24]

Guys do you think that its Mossa calling George Galloway


George Galloway owns Saudis! - YouTube

George Galloway - makes my day - i love it when he has his say -

 

[500]

Palestinians could have a country and live perfect long time ago if not the jihadists like Aryan_B who push them to senseless war with Israel.

 

[500]

George Galloway - makes my day - i love it when he has his say -

Galloway's lie exposed - YouTube

 

[lem34]

Palestinians could have a country and live perfect long time ago if not the jihadists like Aryan_B who push them to senseless war with Israel.

The Israeli/Zionist allegation of labeling anyone an anti Semitic or jihadist who disagrees with anything they say is running a bit thin now. I refute your baseless allegation.

After the case of Roe v. Wade which legalised abortion in America in 1973. Americans were surprised that some 15 to 20 years later that there were steep reductions in crime rates. Later studies have suggested there is a link between the two. Simply unwanted children often fatherless were more inclined to commit crime in their teens. When the learned judges made this decision to legalise abortion they could not have dreamt of the effect on crime rates

Similarly you have had an opportunity for several years to a two state solution and your not acceptance is actually sowing the seeds of your own destruction. That is the unintended consequence of your actions today

 

[Serpentine]

Palestinians could have a country and live perfect long time ago if not the jihadists like Aryan_B who push them to senseless war with Israel.

I have one question here.What right Israel had to be established in a region that Muslims were living there for 1300 years?That's a major question for me.Why didn't they give part of Germany,U.S or any other country to Jews?Why Middle East?