Saudi Arabia requires Bride's age for Marrige [HR groups welcome the move.]

[Ahmad]

Your question Is religion above morals and ethics is laughable to say the least.

All the morals and ethics came out of religion not the other way round.

I dont know what is the state of religion in USA, but from where i come from Religion is second to none.

For me Religion is first, every thing else is third.

Its the epicenter of true muslim's life.

in our religion it doesnt categorically say tha the age of H. Aisha was that young. it is disputed, so dont put it on religion.

 

[Ahmad]

sure i will ask my mom, i totally agree that 40 year old should not get 12year old, just for pleasure or lust, there should be a justification for such a marriage.

Mom pls find my pamper's................................

what freaking justification might there be for such a shameful marriage(if you ever call it marriage).

 

[DaRk WaVe]

justifying this kinda marriage means you are justifying pedophiles

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

I see some members mentioning their religion in regards to this topic.

I have a question to ask all muslims on this forum.

Is religion above morals and ethics?.

i agree that its unethical for a girl to get married in underage. Unfortunately people use religion to cover there wrong deeds. However this do happens in many counteries and rarely happens in Pakistan too. Such a thing arises from poverty and illiteracy. People who are so poor literally give there under aged daughters in marrige to rich bride just for sake of money. This evil exists.
One of the most bad things is that in our society girls dont have the right or liberty to choose the person to whome they want to marry and many parents think they have the SOUL RIGHTS to carry out this decision. Even for a boy that happens. No body asks the will of he/she. However this trend is slowly dwindling.

IMHO Marriage is a beautiful bond which protects the society from many evils like prostitution and adultery. Any1 who can marry should marry asap

 

[Spring Onion]

I wonder how people here are mixing two different things.


Marriageable age is something else and marrying off a very young girl to an old man is another.


There is also difference between a mutually consented marriage of a young girls with her consent indeed with and old man as old as 90 and between a forced marriage.


So the objection is not over the age (indeed the one that had crossed puberty)
But the objection is over the forced marriages.


There are many many examples in the west where very young girls marry old men of even 80 many may be marrying them for wealth

I would say again that we should focus on eliminating Forced marriages and this issue would be solved to a great extent.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

I wonder how people here are mixing two different things.


Marriageable age is something else and marrying off a very young girl to an old man is another.


There is also difference between a mutually consented marriage of a young girls with her consent indeed with and old man as old as 90 and between a forced marriage.


So the objection is not over the age (indeed the one that had crossed puberty)
But the objection is over the forced marriages.


There are many many examples in the west where very young girls marry old men of even 80 many may be marrying them for wealth

I would say again that we should focus on eliminating Forced marriages and this issue would be solved to a great extent.

unfortunately yeh pori duniya ka almiya he . Nothing makes me more sad than this...!

 

[Luftwaffe]

Black Blood i think people have to research more i do not agree that in this time that kids become adults late to my knowledge and looking around these days kids become more mature and adult like right after age 12. Relating to west i am sure Black Blood you know...

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

When it comes to women rights saudis are the worst. i have personally witnessed them harassing women from different counteries including America and India and Philippines. Once an American nurse in a Saudi Military hospital was cought for something unethical. and gues what they whiped her with 100 lashes. The Clinton admin despite making loud noises couldn't do anything to save her from wrath..!

 

[Ahmad]

i agree that its unethical for a girl to get married in underage. Unfortunately people use religion to cover there wrong deeds. However this do happens in many counteries and rarely happens in Pakistan too. Such a thing arises from poverty and illiteracy. People who are so poor literally give there under aged daughters in marrige to rich bride just for sake of money. This evil exists.
One of the most bad things is that in our society girls dont have the right or liberty to choose the person to whome they want to marry and many parents think they have the SOUL RIGHTS to carry out this decision. Even for a boy that happens. No body asks the will of he/she. However this trend is slowly dwindling.

IMHO Marriage is a beautiful bond which protects the society from many evils like prostitution and adultery. Any1 who can marry should marry asap

i agree with what you said, but i have to make couple of points, in the others countries there is an age limit for marriage, but in saudi it is perfectly normal to have a bride of 12 years age - no offence and no prosecution. we can put the blame on poverty, but saudis are not poor, they are greedy.

 

[Ahmad]

I wonder how people here are mixing two different things.


Marriageable age is something else and marrying off a very young girl to an old man is another.

i think they are somehow connected to each other. yes, if you mean the age difference then i agree, but again in some couples there is age differnce, but the act is not against the law.

There is also difference between a mutually consented marriage of a young girls with her consent indeed with and old man as old as 90 and between a forced marriage.

yes, marriage of a girl uner the legal age and forced marriages are differnt, but in case of saudis, they doing both these acts.

So the objection is not over the age (indeed the one that had crossed puberty)
But the objection is over the forced marriages.

i think the objection should be to both of them, marriage of a 12 years old to a 90 years old, which is sometghig to do with age and the 2 adults(boy and girl) who are forced to be married, these 2 acts are both a matter of great concern.

There are many many examples in the west where very young girls marry old men of even 80 many may be marrying them for wealth

that is completely different, the woman is doing according to her own wish, there is no force in place.

I would say again that we should focus on eliminating Forced marriages and this issue would be solved to a great extent

yes, but there must be a law to define the age of bride and groom, otherwise peopole will find many excuses to pursue forced marriages in disguise.

 

[Ahmad]

When it comes to women rights saudis are the worst. i have personally witnessed them harassing women from different counteries including America and India and Philippines. Once an American nurse in a Saudi Military hospital was cought for something unethical. and gues what they whiped her with 100 lashes. The Clinton admin despite making loud noises couldn't do anything to save her from wrath..!

And that unethical act require a man too, wht did they do to the man?

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

And that unethical act require a man too, wht did they do to the man?

Actually the man was killed and later on that American nurse was sentenced to death after being lashed.

 

[arun]

I cannot understand the logic behind the argument for supporting marriage as soon as a girl reaches puberty. There are two aspects to consider:

Physical readiness - Even if a girl reaches puberty, it does not mean that she is ready to be a mother. I have read a lot about the dangers of underage pregnancy. It can be dangerous to both the girl and the foetus.

I can perhaps understand someone supporting the marriage of a 15 year old, although I wouldn't agree with it. But how can someone support the marriage of a 10 or 13 year old? Haven't they seen what girls of that age are like? Do they not see them as children?

Mental readiness - Marriage is about more than motherhood, although that in itself is a very big responsibility. Is someone that young capable of taking care of the responsibilities of married life, including motherhood? And what would happen her development? Will she be able to get a good education along with all this? Won't a part of her childhood be lost?

Also, there is a reason why many privileges with responsibilities like voting, driving and drinking have age restrictions. That's the reason why most countries don't execute criminals under the age of 18. I could go on and on.

On top of it all, I have my reservations about the adults adults who want (for themselves) such a marriage. Perhaps a primer on paedophilia is in order for them.

As far as the "hypocricy" of the west is concerned, IMO this argument is a diversionary tactic, and a poor one at that. The simple fact is that an adult marrying a young girl in Saudi Arabia has nothing to fear, whereas in the West he would be labelled a rapist. In fact, a child rapist; and that is a very bad thing which sticks with you for the rest of your life. The society doesn't approve of under-age sex, although it doesn't punish the children for that. Thus there is no hypocricy involved.

EDIT: The above part may not be completely correct, upon more thinking.

All religions must adapt with the times, and as far as I know, Islam explicitly encourages debate on ideological matters. People did a lot of things 1400 years ago. It does not mean that we must do the same in the modern times.

Also, since it has been mentioned in a few posts, forced marriages should be an absolute no-no. Arranged marriages are okay though.

 

[Parashuram1]

Finally some civilized social initiative is taken by that country. I wish all the best for the kingdom's young ladies who might now be relieved of the torture of marrying old men.

 

[sur]

...As my friend before me said, that there is no limit on girls age in islam, as soon as a girl reach's puberty, she can be married away....

...or may be you are implying that as soon as a girl reaches age of puberty she was must be married away to full fil the religious obligation

you need to grow up....

I am trying hard to find where? did he imply that..!!!
u r shoving words in his mouth,,, & infact it's u who need to grow up.

Instead of talking about the 'culture of child marriages' & Pedophiles of Saudi Arabia people have brought in the Western Hypocrisy & Western Teen Parents
ohh yeah...!!!

Ohh yeah!!! "people" enjoy talking about hypocrites who think what saudi's do is pedophelia & what's going around in west is NOT,,,

who think marrying a teenager is BAD but adultory/fornication with underage is OK,,,!!!

"people" are bringing up western teen parents because other-people are blind to that & can only see saudi's as BAD...

I walk around with my eyes closed? HAHA! I live here, buddy.

I know,,, & that is the reason why I said that despite living in USA u don't see what's going around there, while saudi's pedophilia is way too visible to u!!!

I am NOT defending Saudi's,,, what I am saying is that why ONLY Saudi's r "pedophile" when they do it, while westerners are NOT when they are do even worse stuff at much larger scale,, Why ppl don't make a thread on them,

There are 3 girls in my high school who are pregnant out of 1,200 students. I know 2 of them and they don't regret what they did. They take full responsibility for their actions and seek help from counselors.

Actually they(both-parents) don't take FULL responsibility for their actions,,, boyfriend is going to dump the GF leaving her on her own(which almost always happens there & u know that) ... just by bringing a life in world & then seeking & weeping before counselors does NOT make u FULLY responsible parent... Saudi's also take full responsibility when they do what they do...

Saudi's who marry take FULL responsibility because they r parents NOT just 2 fornicators F****** around... Saudi's marry with agreement of families,,, so how on earth is that pedophilia,,, It's just part of culture that everyone in that culture is OK with,,, Ppl sitting in west have NO right to declare their own definitions of "Pedophilia" & impose it on all the world,,, they better get their own facts right first.

Teenage pregnancy is regarded as a huge social issue in the United States. In Saudi Arabia, it's not.

Doesn't matter what they "regard it as", it's what they "do"...
By-the-way I have lived in USA & Canada too,,, I know how BIG it is considered,,, teenagers wraping around eachother in subways & in malls/schools,,, nobody gives a d.a.m.n,,, would u like to call them "Exhibitionists", like u call those Saudi's as pedophiles!!!... Would u make a thread on American/European "fornicators"... rather u would just ignore it as part of their culture,,, so why NOT leave saudi's to their culture too,,

14 per 1000? How about the wild 38 per 1000 that's going on in Saudi Arabia...

Link u gave talks of age-15-19,,, in my post I quoted a link where stats in US r 84/1000,,, 14-17/1000 was for girls under the age 14years...

The thing is, you are so blindly protecting the consequences of barbaric stone-age Sharia law that when someone attacks it, you pull out statistics about the "west" instead of at least attempting to defend or justify pedophilia in Saudi Arabia.

I am NOT advocating for saudi's,,, I know that even the ladies & girls there do NOT consider it as a problem,,, so who the heck is west to impose their concocted definition of pedophelia on saudis... & it's NOT stone-age law,,, travel around in the world ,,, even today many cultures other than Saudi's/muslims have this phenomenon going on ... & they are OK with it,,,

... how about trying to actually notice that it is a problem ...

There is NO problem,,, it's a part of their culture like it's part of other cultures too,,, Even in Pakistan majority(which reside in villages & small cities) marry their daughters as soon as they come of age,,, There's NO coersion there's NO pedophilia involved,,, it's just that sick perverted western mentalility makes ppl think like that about cultures they have had no hint of.

ONLY westernized ppl look at it as a problem,,, go to Saudia & ask ladies there if that is a problem,,, Ask the girl who's getting married if it is a problem for her,,, They r happy about their culture, so why should I bother...