Saudi Arabia Has Started An Arms Race

[Blue In Green]

Dont you mean non,non,non
Yes,I think france is unlikely too,however I wouldnt completely rule it out and I mention it because the french have been rather desperate to try and make the rafale an export sales success with mixed results so far,unfortunately its been up against the other "eurocanards" the typhoon and cheaper gripen,altho all 3 of these machines are hideously overpriced for what they are in my opinion certainly compared to machines like the su30/su35.Now the french were banking on the indian mmrca deal which would`ve been for over a hundred machines including licensed production in india,however for various reasons this deal fell thru and now india is only looking at buying 36-odd french built rather than the 100+ it originally intended.Now what if iran were to offer the french a deal along these lines:Iran will purchase 200+ rafales with 100 manufactured in france and the other 100+ license built along with engines/avionics/weapons in iran,now this would be a HUGE!! deal and there is some precedent for this as I recall that back in the 90s the french were willing to sell iran a large number of mirages,now these were older models,but I think that the possibility does exist.Now personally I happen to think that the su30 is a much better machine than the rafale,or indeed any of the eurocanards for that matter,and far better suited to irans needs both in outright performance/capabilities and as a successor to the f14,but one takes what one can get ie a rafale in the had is worth two su30 in the bush so to speak.Now all of this is just an idea but I do think it is an option and that is why I mention it and it would potentially give iran more choices and options than just being forced to rely on the good will and trustworthiness of the reliably unreliable,untrustworthy russians,of course I wouldnt really trust the french either,altho iran does have at least one card it can play with them ie puegoet and renault,iran is one of the biggest foreign markets for these companies....now if iran was to reconsider doing business with these companies or indeed breaking off all ties then...well it wouldnt be that cheap for the french auto industry thats for sure,lots of jobs,and potential votes,on the line...,Anyway its just a thought,what do you think?.

The more and more I think about Iran's air force the more I come to the despair inducing conclusion that the US and Israel will pull every stop they can to make sure Iran doesn't get an modern Air force (it would be the final piece in Iran's detterent that will bring Iran to a level of power it didn't have before, ensuring the countries survival and greatly reducing the threat of an imposed war).

Even if France were to do a deal either iran on fighter jets, US will shoot it down and the Russians will use the deal as a poltical chess piece against the Americans. Meaning Iran won't see any Russian jets for a long time.

Keep building them missiles boys.

 

[drmeson]

In Case of Conflict,

IRGC will have to take out the two forward most bases of Saoodis (Khalid and Abdulaziz) with Emad MaRV, Zolfaghar TBM and Soumar LACM Salvos. I think these missiles can easily penetrate through the AD esp Emad MaRV. Runways will need to be destroyed with submunition warheads which I think Zolfaghar Carries. Emad with its 750 kg of lets say Thermobaric or FAB warhead can cause alot of damage.

Khalije Fars ASBM along with Ghader/Noor/Nasir AShCM strikes can take out almost entire Saudi surface fleet while the shipping lines will have to be taken out by 3 Kilos, 2 Fateh and 21 Ghadirs. Armed with fast supercavitating torpedoes, ghadirs can do the bandit like attacks on any surface vessel in PG.

Soumar LACM has an estimated range of 2000-3000 km. It can also be fired from Yemen and Iraqi proxy lands to avoid detection and to politically turn the conflict into a regional flame war which would favor Iran and allies massively.

IRIAF is a joke (due to sanctions offcourse) and wont stand any chance against RSAF in an air battle. IRIAF if gets requipped like we are hearing even officially now ... will have to raise atleast 12-14 squadrons of 4+ to 4.5 generation multirole fighter jets. Su-30SM or Mig-35 can fill this void but I don't see it happening sooner than 2020. 3-4 squadrons of F-14 AM armed Fakour/Phoenix can provide Gashtzan and air cover role along with 2 squadrons of Mig-29. Our surface AD and radar system is awesome and will do serious damage to the aggressor. Saudi AF will easily take out Iranian surface vessels in PG as well because IRIN surface fleet is literally sitting naked without any possible aircover and planners have to understand that.

 

[mike2000 is back]

war between KSA and Iran would be just plain stupid. how much money did Iraq/Iran lose during their little war?? a couple hundred billion each??

Iran is fragile (economically) KSA is also fragile (economically) you start blowing up each other oil tankers,ports, and oil fields, you're going destroy both your economies, and who gains the most from this?? Israel of course, and I guess the U.S since we aren't as reliant on Middle East oil as we were 20 years ago.

if you can't see this then there is no hope.

I don't believe there will be a direct hot war between both sides per se. they will keep using their proxies in the region or intervening directly against the other's proxy.
As for your point about U.D/Israel and other western powers benefiting from the war, well you might be right to some extent. However, that has never been an impediment to war being fought by countries. else Iran won't be fighting in Syria and being involved in Iraq(they are also wasting billions in their war effort in these countries,to the benefit of Israel/U S using your logic), likewise KSA is already fighting a war on Yemen against Iranian backed rebels as well(spending billions as well) etc. so as you can see, countries don't really think about the benefit fighting a war will have on their other opponents.
Moreover,if one side emerges victorious, then that will be a huge boast for that country in have more control over the region and putting the defeated country on the defensive. Even though I must confess that U.S/Western powers will still be the dominant powers in the region no matter the victor, giving the vast imbalance of power between both sides.

This are all just hypothesis obviously,i don't believe there will be a direct full scale war between both sides.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Turkey and Pak are the equalizers and balancers. The rest are all details.....

 

[yavar]

 

[AmirPatriot]

Dont you mean non,non,non
Yes,I think france is unlikely too,however I wouldnt completely rule it out and I mention it because the french have been rather desperate to try and make the rafale an export sales success with mixed results so far,unfortunately its been up against the other "eurocanards" the typhoon and cheaper gripen,altho all 3 of these machines are hideously overpriced for what they are in my opinion certainly compared to machines like the su30/su35.Now the french were banking on the indian mmrca deal which would`ve been for over a hundred machines including licensed production in india,however for various reasons this deal fell thru and now india is only looking at buying 36-odd french built rather than the 100+ it originally intended.Now what if iran were to offer the french a deal along these lines:Iran will purchase 200+ rafales with 100 manufactured in france and the other 100+ license built along with engines/avionics/weapons in iran,now this would be a HUGE!! deal and there is some precedent for this as I recall that back in the 90s the french were willing to sell iran a large number of mirages,now these were older models,but I think that the possibility does exist.Now personally I happen to think that the su30 is a much better machine than the rafale,or indeed any of the eurocanards for that matter,and far better suited to irans needs both in outright performance/capabilities and as a successor to the f14,but one takes what one can get ie a rafale in the had is worth two su30 in the bush so to speak.Now all of this is just an idea but I do think it is an option and that is why I mention it and it would potentially give iran more choices and options than just being forced to rely on the good will and trustworthiness of the reliably unreliable,untrustworthy russians,of course I wouldnt really trust the french either,altho iran does have at least one card it can play with them ie puegoet and renault,iran is one of the biggest foreign markets for these companies....now if iran was to reconsider doing business with these companies or indeed breaking off all ties then...well it wouldnt be that cheap for the french auto industry thats for sure,lots of jobs,and potential votes,on the line...,Anyway its just a thought,what do you think?.

I think France are too close the US orbit, and on top of that they can be bribed with more arms deals by the Saudis. Even supposing they sell us anything, there is more a guarantee that they will stop spares support than not.

 

[Tokhme khar]

And how has this supposed weapons superiority worked out for the Abu-Donkey alliance in Iraq/ Syria/ Lebanon and Yemen.....?...........lol

It is for sure that China would not interfere. As long as Iran doesn't attack Qatar, even Turkey would stay neutral.

But I do not believe that Saudi Arabia has just started an arms race with Iran. Tehran simply cannot afford to win such a competition with the GCC states. Just look at the data. GCC members are investing hundreds of billions of USD into their military capacities since years. This does not mean that Iran is weak but there is no chance for them to keep pace with the Arabs.

No they are not. They are worried for their own skin.

Turkey and Pak are the equalizers and balancers. The rest are all details.....

It's already too late. Iran controls SyRaq, in case you haven't noticed.

I don't believe there will be a direct hot war between both sides per se. they will keep using their proxies in the region or intervening directly against the other's proxy.
As for your point about U.D/Israel and other western powers benefiting from the war, well you might be right to some extent. However, that has never been an impediment to war being fought by countries. else Iran won't be fighting in Syria and being involved in Iraq(they are also wasting billions in their war effort in these countries,to the benefit of Israel/U S using your logic), likewise KSA is already fighting a war on Yemen against Iranian backed rebels as well(spending billions as well) etc. so as you can see, countries don't really think about the benefit fighting a war will have on their other opponents.
Moreover,if one side emerges victorious, then that will be a huge boast for that country in have more control over the region and putting the defeated country on the defensive. Even though I must confess that U.S/Western powers will still be the dominant powers in the region no matter the victor, giving the vast imbalance of power between both sides.

This are all just hypothesis obviously,i don't believe there will be a direct full scale war between both sides.

 

[Naara-e-Mastana]

Whatever man, i meant well for iran when i mentioned the jf 17 option which is still dependant upon whether pak china will sell it to u, n u keep coming back with unfounded insults about our fighter which by the way is about to become the backbone of one of the worlds most professional, says a lot about its capability....

Ooo rehn dey bhai .

 

[Tokhme khar]

Sensible comment immortal........and right on the money too!

This is classic containment strategy. In the 1970's, the Shah received all the fancy toys his heart could desire including the state of the art F-14. The goal? Not to deter Saudi Arabia but to stand as a bulwark against the Soviet Union. America was using Iran as a pawn. Saudi Arabia is the pawn today in the strategy of a US pivot to a rising China, it needs a country capable of countering Iran when US reduces its presence.

You don't necessary arm a country for hundreds of billions of dollars to start a war. You do it as deterrence and economical for your own benefit.

It doesn't matter if Saudi Arabia had F-22's, war would completely devaste that nation. Iran could take Saudi oil fields offline for months if not years. Can you imagine the hit to world economy if 8-11 million barrels/ day of oil are taken offline? It could cause a massive world wide economic downturn.

That's truly why a massive war will not happen because the costs are too great, a small skirmish however unlikely is more possible.

NATO is the counter to Russia, it's a deterence/containment strategy. So an Arab NATO would be to contain Iran to the Iraq borders realistically because Iraq has fallen.

Not worried about this deal at all, in fact it bolsters Iran by continuing to focus on his military rather than taking the foot off the pedal.

Because of this deal, many projects in iran could now possibly receive green light for production as well as R&D of new technologies.

Nothing in this deal gives Saudi Arabia a strategic advantage. Iran will respond in kind in its own way.

 

[Zhukov]

Whats wrong with these tow crackpot Mullah regimes of Arabs and Persians?
They have no terrotorial disputes,
They are not superpowers fighting for Market influence,
Both are just middle income moderately developed economies.

Still fighting like stubborn kids and detabalizing the whole region

 

[mike2000 is back]

It's already too late. Iran controls SyRaq, in case you haven't noticed

How's that?

Whats wrong with these tow crackpot Mullah regimes of Arabs and Persians?
They have no terrotorial disputes,
They are not superpowers fighting for Market influence,
Both are just middle income moderately developed economies.

Still fighting like stubborn kids and detabalizing the whole region

Just interests I assume.

 

[Śakra]

Reminds me of this

Arabs have taken money out of America (by selling oil for USD) and now the Americans want their money back.

 

[Tokhme khar]

You sound like a teenager who knows nothing! Oil is only priced in USD. It provides for USD recycling, in essence a free ride for the U.S. (Demand for USD increases) with these middle eastern jokers being forced to sell oil in USD only!
All proceeds of sawdi and other Persian Gulf joker oil sales are deposited in Zionist banks in NY and London. Spending of these oil sales proceeds are at the discretion of Zionist managers, and all sole source weaponry/ intellectual property/ industrial goods etc, the awarding of construction/ oil/ gas project contracts etc are all subject to Zionist approval. This has been the standard arrangement since 1923 you fool. If you move away from this arrangement you are toppled like Saddam ulla and Qazaffi etc.

This new push to sell sawdi's all this downgraded junk is a bonus payment being extracted by Trump, as additional protection money. You understand?

Reminds me of this

Arabs have taken money out of America (by selling oil for USD) and now the Americans want their money back.

lol........if what I say wasn't true Mike, sawdi's wouldn't be buying all these weapons, Trump wouldn't have gone over to reassure them over their fortunes in SyRaq/ Lebanon/ Yemen and Iran wouldn't have been singled out as public enemy #1.

How's that?

 

[klaus959]

14 destroyers
3 LhDS/aircraft carriers
4Lcs
20 Submarines
P-8 poseidon
UH-60 Sea hawk
F-35 possible

 

[klaus959]

How's that?


Just interests I assume.

Iran is a developing country !!! Not developed it is a 3rd world country it has no real allies