Awan68
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Not doubting iran's capabilities but no u cant, not quickly anyhow.Did not read.
Let us get back on topic.
What do reasonable members think Iran has to do to increase the production and advancement rate of it's current promising fields (the first 4 I mentioned in the OP)? Looks to me that the budget has to be expanded in all areas to facilitate faster delivery of all this equipment.
Obviously there has to be something done about the IRIAF, but given the political uncertainties it is difficult to predict.
@Awan68 the JF-17 is a multirole aircraft. Most countries need a high-low mix of capabilities. For Pakistan, the F-16 provides the high capability end, and the JF-17 provides the low end. The F-16 plays the role of Pakistan's air superiority fighter. So by just getting the JF-17, the IRIAF really is incomplete, and has to get the high end of capabilities from somewhere. It is speculated this could be in the form of the Su-30SM. That itself is a highly capable multirole aircraft, which although the twin seat cockpit provides great flexibility, the large radar and high manoeuvrability would mean the Su-30 would be the high capability end of the IRIAF. But I'm not sure really if Iran had the ability to acquire the Su-30SM, it would also go for the JF-17. The Su-30SM could be a sort of stop gap, a short term solution until domestic projects can gain momentum. Thus a large JF-17 purchase on top of the Su-30 may not be attractive if Iran thinks it can make something in the role of the JF-17 by itself.
Jf 17 block 3 will be a block 3 4.5 gen jet with "aesa" , "irst".One cant even make the two things mentioned above before research and development of a decade and atleast another 5 years for finalizing, tweeking it out before productions prototypes are made, let alone an entire jet.
Im just stating cold hard facts here man, tag any aviation expert here and he will tell u the same.
Pakistan started the programe in early 90's and an MOU was signed in 95, it took us atleast 17 yrs for the prgramme to take shape and give fruits and we had the unrestricted help of the chinese aviation industry in it.
U obviously dont know man how difficult it is to create a 4-4.5 gen jet, india started their tejas programme in the 80's and they still havent inducted thier jet nor do they have a final protoype decided.
We also had access to some techs of world powers due to our intense collaboration with the Us in afghan jihad etc against soviets. We learned a lot from the f 16's we have had for a long time and our experience with overhauling mirages.
These things take time and if iran is to get into the aviation field right now it would take 15 yrs for the programme to give fruit and even that timeline is dependant upon outside help which as things stand right now, i see no country that would be willing to help u in the aviation field atleast. This is why i always say iran must abandon its plans in the ME, start to build relations with other countries including western ones. Get ur country of the radar, the brave die young and foolish and i dont want anything to happen to iran. First build power and than u can do whatever u want but do go in there half cocked, not the smart way man.
Missles and Sams are overrated, look what happened to nations like libya and iraq who relied too heavily on them and didnt have a working serious AF.
Concerning the jf 17 propgramme i dont think pak-china would be willing to do a TOT deal with u, not for block 3 in any case as it incorporates 5th gen techs in it like the radar which is also in use with j 31 among other things, the most u can get is an assembly line.
Iran is weak economically so u cant afford a large number of even su 30's, the best u can do right now is get 30-40 su 30's or j 16's and 100-150 jf 17's provided pak-china sells it to u because its a big if as saudis-Us will try their best to even sabootage that deal and as u knw pakistan has longer standing ties with the saudis(i dont like it) but its how it is.
The saudis have been seriously looking at the jf 17's for a while now and many cricles have reported that they are waiting for block 3 and jf 17b to be inducted to order a large number, so if they place a large order than they will push us not to sell any to u. @Windjammer @Bilal Khan (Quwa)
Only Pakistan and China hold selling and all other rights on it, no one else.Bro, purchasing of JF 17 needs confirmation of multiple countries. Moreover we are still under UN sanctions and until the next 3-4 years we are unable to import fighter jets from foreign sources.
If thunder was completely produced in Pakistan, believe me we would replace our exhausted F-4s and F-5s with 150-250 thunders but it is a multi national product just like the F-35 lightning.
We have to develop homemade fighters and then think about importing them. We are working hardly, developing turbofan engines capable of thrust vectoring.
In house prgramme's will take u atleast 15 to 20 yrs, are u willing to wait that long without a working AF? specially as things are heating up right now.
Im just speculationg here, its not confirmed that pak-china will sell jf 17 to u as saudis are looking at the jet and if they place an order first they will push us not to sell to u.