Saudi Arabia, China sign security cooperation pact

[Sinnerman108]

Looks great man, more cooperation in these fields should be coming up in the future.

Been seeing a bunch of this kind of news recently. China is still a developing country so our influence is still limited, but definitely can't miss opportunities like this.

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[lonelyman]

Air Platforms
UAE, Saudi Arabia operating Chinese UAVs over Yemen
Jeremy Binnie, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
18 December 2015

This UAV at Saudi Arabia's Jizan Regional Airport on 10 July is probably a CH-4 as the UAE has yet to receive the first of the Predator XPs it has ordered. Source: DigitalGlobe/Google Earth
Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) have both acquired Chinese-made unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) to meet urgent operational requirements arising from their military intervention in Yemen, it was revealed during a panel discussion held by the Atlantic Council think tank on 8 December.

"The drones the UAE is using in Yemen are Chinese because they failed to get US approval," US Marine Corps General (retired) James L Jones said. Gen Jones served as National Security Advisor in 2009-2010 and is now affiliated with the Atlantic Council.

Nawaf Obaid, a former advisor to the Saudi ambassadors to the United Kingdom and the United States, immediately added "that is true, us too", indicating Saudi Arabia has also acquired Chinese UAVs because it could not obtain US ones.

"[The UAVs are] an example of things we could have done, but we didn't do, and now people who are more agile have been able to send drones to the UAE," Jones said. "We have a serious problem in the way and the speed with which we come to the aid of our friends and allies with equipment."

The third member of the panel, Barry Pavel, the director of the Atlantic Council's Scowcroft Center, agreed, saying, "All our Gulf partners want US weapons, they are the best in the world … but it is a really, really difficult process [to obtain them]. If you can't get that wonderful jewel on the shelf, but you can get fake jewellery that still does the job, you are going to start to go in that direction because you are in active operations and you need this equipment."

"We need to get our act together, streamline and make our processes more effective," Pavel added.

When asked about the problems in the US arms export process, Jones identified the end-use monitoring agreements system as "something that most of our allies really dislike".

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http://www.janes.com/article/56742/uae-saudi-arabia-operating-chinese-uavs-over-yemen



Sorry, I thought you were talking about the original version of Wing Loong. Has there been any buyer of the upgraded version yet? I mean it was unveiled last September so not that long ago.

Anyway if there are rumors about an Arab country buying it in Chinese media, it is likely an GCC country (KSA or UAE), Iraq or Egypt.

Why Americans won't allow drone sales to her ally? For Christ sake, it's just drones not nuclear bombs. Well, it's their loss

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Why Americans won't allow drone sales to ally? For Christ sake, it's just drones not nuclear bombs. Well, it's their loss

Because it is a partnership of convenience. The main ally of the US in West Asia is Israel.

It is official US policy not to allow Israel to be challenged militarily by its neighbors. That is why the US is giving military aid to a rich country like Israel. This is also why it will not sell the newest weapons to other regional countries despite many regional countries, such as the GCC, having a bigger purchase power.

The average American is a good person and I have met many of them in KSA but the US government is not exactly the most trustworthy partner.

That is why I have been calling for the leadership of KSA, the GCC and most of the Arab world (if not all of it) to align themselves with China first and foremost. That does not mean that we should be hostile towards the US or the West (Europe is our direct neighbor so we cannot afford to do such a thing even) but we should be wary about their politicians.

Anyway I am not anti-Israel (I want Arabs and Jews (cousins and neighbors) to have good ties again like throughout much of history) but just stating facts here.

So basically the US/West will not allow Israel to lose its military edge which I guess is fair enough as it is their money and military equipment and their policy.

During the recent Zhuhai airshow,the chief designer of the Wingloong 2 told the reporter that it has made its first and biggest deal among all Chinese Unmanned drone sales.

Thank you for this information. Well, it will be interesting to see which country signed this deal. Anyway I hope that KSA can do much more business with China when it comes to the military sector. According to our Vision 2030 50% of all our military purchases will be indigenous by 2030 (that is at least the goal) so in order to achieve this I believe that we should and will be looking towards alternative markets more such as China, Russia, Pakistan, Turkey, South Korea etc. and looking for TOT.

Anyway nice speaking to you all here. However I have to go. Take care.

 

[lonelyman]

Because it is a partnership of convenience. The main ally of the US in West Asia is Israel.

It is official US policy not to allow Israel to be challenged militarily by its neighbors. That is why the US is giving military aid to a rich country like Israel. This is also why it will not sell the newest weapons to other regional countries despite many regional countries, such as the GCC, having a bigger purchase power.

The average American is a good person and I have met many of them in KSA but the US government is not exactly the most trustworthy partner.

That is why I have been calling for the leadership of KSA, the GCC and most of the Arab world (if not all of it) to align themselves with China first and foremost. That does not mean that we should be hostile towards the US or the West (Europe is our direct neighbor so we cannot afford to do such a thing even) but we should be wary about their politicians.

Anyway I am not anti-Israel (I want Arabs and Jews (cousins and neighbors) to have good ties again like throughout much of history) but just stating facts here.

So basically the US/West will not allow Israel to lose its military edge which I guess is fair enough as it is their money and military equipment and their policy.



Thank you for this information. Well, it will be interesting to see which country made this deal. Anyway I hope that KSA can do much more business with China when it comes to the military sector. According to our Vision 2030 50% of all our military purchases will be indigenous by 2030 (that is at least the goal) so in order to achieve this I believe that we should and will be looking towards alternative markets more such as China, Russia, Pakistan, Turkey, South Korea etc. and looking for TOT.

Anyway nice speaking to you all here. However I have to go. Take care.

That make sense, jews do have lots of influence in states and no politician would dare to cross them

 

[Zarvan]

KSA can get lot of weapons from China and good news is they can get them with TOT and China can help KSA in establishing its defence industry in which they produce everything from Assault Rifles to APC to IFV and Tanks and Drones and fighter jets and bombs and missiles and Ships. I mean entire defence industry

 

[Saif al-Arab]

KSA can get lot of weapons from China and good news is they can get them with TOT and China can help KSA in establishing its defence industry in which they produce everything from Assault Rifles to APC to IFV and Tanks and Drones and fighter jets and bombs and missiles and Ships. I mean entire defence industry

Absolutely. It would be a fantastic thing. Would help evolve our military industry which is in its very infancy and create jobs and prevent talented locals from leaving to the West.

Also I like your new avatar Zarvan. This is a Saudi Arabian soldier that took part in the ongoing GCC military exercise in Bahrain.

https://defence.pk/threads/joint-gcc-exercise-in-bahrain.458458/page-2

Thread has been updated by me.

If you understand Arabic here is a thread in Arabic with updates you can see here:

http://defense-arab.com/vb/threads/109358/page-10

 

[Zarvan]

Absolutely. It would be a fantastic thing.

Also I like your new avatar Zarvan. This is a Saudi Arabian soldier that took part in the ongoing GCC military exercise in Bahrain.

https://defence.pk/threads/joint-gcc-exercise-in-bahrain.458458/page-2

Thread has been updated by me.

Yes I know about my avatar. I somehow found Saudi Soldiers in good poses to place as my avatar. Pakistan Army needs to work on its camerawork. By the way there is one big Arab forum of defence also can you post the link.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Yes I know about my avatar. I somehow found Saudi Soldiers in good poses to place as my avatar. Pakistan Army needs to work on its camerawork. By the way there is one big Arab forum of defence also can you post the link.

There are several big Arab military forums but this should suffice.

http://defense-arab.com/vb/threads/109358/page-10

There are also many good Twitter users. I can give you some names of a few of them but I simply have to leave for now. I cannot be late.

Lastly China, Pakistan and KSA should cooperate much, much, much more. Every country that does not want to rely on Western weapons forever should cooperate with each other. From Latin America to Africa to Asia.

 

[Sam.]

Well, I cannot speak on the behalf of KSA or all 500 million Arabs but personally I value India as a valuable economic partner and I see no reason to have hostilities with Indians or India. I hope that Indian-Pakistani and Indian-Chinese rivalries and hostilities will remain talk as if that is not the case KSA and the GCC will be hit economically.

I know that all 3 countries (at least the leaderships) share the exact same opinion about the Arab world and MENA region in terms of rivalries and hostilities there which is understandable.

I am a pragmatic person by nature and historically speaking Arabs have traded with everyone. In particular Europe, Africa, South Asia, Central Asia and East Asia. South East Asia too of course where up to 10 million people have Arab ancestry. Indonesia and Malaysia in particular.

Believe it or not but even the GCC and Iran trade with each other. Actually Iran's second biggest trading partner is the UAE for example if I recall. Neighbors should do business as strong economic bonds make wars more unlikely as there is much to be lost by both parties if that is the case.

Anyway I am off-topic here.



Thank you for this additional information.

Why do u want him to pick sides, we Chinese never ask friends to pick sides in matters not related to them


U are welcome

It was a joke guys. We have security cooperation with UAE and Oman as well as Kuwait (IF i remember correctly about Kuwait).

Excellent 2000 year trade ties with Arabs. We will move in Middle east with more security pacts when problems solves in South Asia which will happen in coming decades.

 

[Max]

its great for both China and Saudi Arabia.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

It was a joke guys. We have security cooperation with UAE and Oman as well as Kuwait (IF i remember correctly about Kuwait).

Excellent 2000 year trade ties with Arabs. We will move in Middle east with more security pacts when problems solves in South Asia which will happen in coming decades.

I thought so knowing you. No biggie.

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There have actually been quite a few Arab-Chinese intermarriages in the GCC, mainly UAE, of late due to the big Chinese diaspora in the UAE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates

Also there are at least 200.000 people in KSA of Han Chinese origin (Hui mainly) who are citizens and expats. One of our generals is a Hui Chinese.

Local Arabs, an Afro-Arab and an ethnic Han Chinese (Hui) all fighting under the same banner and all defending the holy land!

In Ta'if there is a whole neighborhood called Chinatown due to the many people of Chinese origin. Not many people know but now those who see this post will know.

Chinese cyclist visiting the Chinese Saudi Arabian community.

A well-known Chinese restaurant in Ta'if (one out of numerous) that is very good.

Ta'if is a beautiful Hijazi mountain town located almost 2000 meters above sea level. The climate is pleasant all year round.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta'if

Some Chinese people think that I am trolling when I tell them about this.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

A well-known Chinese restaurant in Ta'if (one out of numerous) that is very good.

Ta'if is a beautiful Hijazi mountain town located almost 2000 meters above sea level. The climate is pleasant all year round.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta'if

Some Chinese people think that I am trolling when I tell them about this.

For me, culture is all about the food.

Arabic food is the nuts, just last week my brother cooked me up this big sealed box of hummus, I kept it in my fridge for a few days, best midnight snack ever. Didn't even need any side dishes or meat dishes, I just ate it by itself. Chickpeas are awesome, and pretty healthy too.

There have actually been quite a few Arab-Chinese intermarriages in the GCC, mainly UAE, of late due to the big Chinese diaspora in the UAE.

My same brother is probably going to marry an Arabic girl as well. Mixed marriages aren't super common in HK (our demographics are like 95% Han or such) but it definitely goes a long way to improving people-to-people relations with other countries. I'm not great with languages but something I want to learn one day for sure.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

For me, culture is all about the food.

Arabic food is the nuts, just last week my brother cooked me up this big sealed box of hummus, I kept it in my fridge for a few days, best midnight snack ever. Didn't even need any side dishes or meat dishes, I just ate it by itself. Chickpeas are awesome, and pretty healthy too.



My same brother is probably going to marry an Arabic girl as well. Mixed marriages aren't super common in HK (our demographics are like 95% Han or such) but it definitely goes a long way to improving people-to-people relations with other countries. I'm not great with languages but something I want to learn one day for sure.

Haha, true. Who does not love tasty food regardless where it comes from?

Hummus can be eaten alone indeed but we mostly eat it with Arabic bread (there are 100's of varieties literally) and as a side dish. Mostly meat dishes but not only of course. Most primarily it serves as a dip as various yoghurt etc. do.

An example of a traditional Arab breakfast. From Jordan.

Arab Meze:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meze

That's really cool man. Yes, I know that Chinese marry mostly among themselves as Arabs do but the younger generation (our generation) is more open to marrying foreigners. I think this is a good thing as mixtures are usually a healthy thing.

Arab-Indonesian mix: (Nabila Syakieb)

https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabila_Syakieb



Fera Feriska (half Yemeni and half Chinese)

There are quite a lot of half Saudi and half Filipino/Malaysian/Indonesian children in KSA. Usually due to you know what. What is striking is that the Asian part is dominating although you can see that such people are mostly fixtures and what is better they turn out really beautiful in general. The women that is.

Miss Universe Philippines from 2015 was half Arab (Saudi) and half Filipino.

https://twitter.com/x/status/559531688980525061

Half Arab (mostly Yemeni and Hijazi as almost all Arab Indonesians and Arab Malaysians are from Arabia originally) half Indonesian/Malaysian





Faith Alqahtani (half Saudi and half Filipino)



Her Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/faithalqahtani/

Also I have a weakness for Arab-African mixtures. Google Habesha. Habesha are not technically Arab but around 40-50% of their DNA is Semitic and derives from the Arabian Peninsula. Which is also why they speak a Semitic language and many have Arabic facial features. They are ver distinct to your average Sub-Saharan African. Great looking people anyway.

So if I had a say I would vote for legitimizing the Filipino, Indonesian, Malaysian, Chinese and Horn of Africa (Habesha mainly) communities in KSA. Citizenship should be given to them on arrival, lol.

Did you hear that @oprih ?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabila_Syakieb



Fera Feriska (half Yemeni and half Chinese)

Wow man!

I agree, the women from mixed marriages tend to look really good. Can't comment on the men (don't really pay attention), but the women sure do work out well.

 

[Cyberian]

Saudi Arabia has so much influence over the Muslim World, that if the Chinese can sway them to their side, most of the Muslim World will also follow Saudi Arabia's lead.