Saudi Arabia changes Ottoman ‘Empire’ to ‘occupation’ in school textbooks

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Who rebuilt the Kaa'ba? Ibrahim and his son Ismael who were both Semites who's descendants became the modern day Arabs so logically it is our land with the holy factor aside because our ancestors rebuilt it.

The same thing goes for many architectural buildings in Subcontinental history like Taj Mahal for example.
All of us know you non-Arabs want someone who has not been living in the land ever to rule over it because they are your race.

It is not so simple. You are referring to secular race-based nationalism, which has nothing to do with Islam.

If you want to claim Islamic Holy sites, then you must abide by dictates of the religion of Islam.

Caretaking of the Holy sites has always resided with the Quraish families native to Makkah and Madinah, until recently, however rule over the Hijaz has always been one of the determinants of the legitimacy of a Khilafat.

Holy sites will always be sought after by any empire or state attempting to justify its right to rule over Muslims and be seen as the head of the Muslim world.

 

[Philip the Arab]

It is not so simple. You are referring to secular race-based nationalism, which has nothing to do with Islam.

If you want to claim Islamic Holy sites, then you must abide by dictates of the religion of Islam.

Caretaking of the Holy sites has always resided with the Quraish families native to Makkah and Madinah, until recently, however rule over the Hijaz has always been one of the determinants of the legitimacy of a Khilafat.

Holy sites will always be sought after by any empire or state attempting to justify its right to rule over Muslims and be seen as the head of the Muslim world.

You are thinking religiously based, and I am thinking how most non-Muslim people would be thinking. The ownership should go to whoever built it, and in this case the ancestors of Arabs. Say what you just said in a room of educated Westerners and you will be laughed out of the room.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You are thinking religiously based, and I am thinking how most non-Muslim people would be thinking. The ownership should go to whoever built it, and in this case the ancestors of Arabs. Say what you just said in a room of educated Westerners and you will be laughed out of the room.

So let’s find the Hazrat Ibrahim’s people of Ur in Iraq, Hazrat Hajar’s ancestors in Egypt, family of Hazrat Ibrahim (Israelite/Ismailite) in Canaan/Palestine.

How far do you want to go back to?

This is precisely the problem when you try to mix concepts of religion with secular race-based nationalism. You get artificial states like Israel.

Also you forget the concept of the Quran and covenant with Muslims which Allah swt took.

Paraphrased: If we leave our promises with Allah swt, we will be replaced by different people who will.

That is precisely what happened to Banu Umayya, Banu Abbas, Seljuks, Ayyubis, etc.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

If Turks were Arabized (actually correct term is Persianized,) then we can’t ignore the fact that Arab were Turkified.

Egypt, Levant, North Africa, and Gulf are heavily influenced by Turkish culture. From clothes, headdressses, food, desserts, furniture, architecture, woodwork, pottery, and all other cultural identifiers are basically Turkish.

I bet most Arab nationalists of Levant here on this forum don’t even know that Yemenis and Omanis were influenced by Pakistani culture. Many of their women wear Pakistani clothes and men wear Pakistani shawls/shalwar kameez.

It’s not always a one way street.

Which illiterate villager taught you history my Arabized troll? No sane person with just a glimpse of historical knowledge would read your insane post without laughing at the historical nonsense right there.

It is the complete opposite as every historian, scholar etc. would tell you. There is literally zero influence of "Turkish culture" (Turkey and Turks are Turkified and Arabized Anatolians of various ethnic origins as confirmed by DNA - they have been conquered by foreigners, Arabs included, for millennia to the point that native Anatolian culture is no longer alive) in the Arab world and the Ottoman influence there is, is actually Arab in origin.

As for imaginary "Pakistani influence" (a 70 year old country) in Yemen and Oman, that has to be another joke. Once again it is the other way around. In fact Oman ruled parts of Pakistan (Gwadar) until very recently (less than 60 years ago) and that never happened the other way around.

Baloch economic migrants and mercenaries of the previous Omani empire are two different things.

If they had some piece of honor, they would have changed these flags after all, designed by a " KAFIR BRITISH " to fuel the revolt against " MUSLIM TURKS ". Not sorry to say that but modern day Arabs are no different than plants.

They drew the borders for you with ruler.
They designed the flags of you.
They made you revolt against Muslims.
They created states for you.

Why?

Because Arabs are pathetic plants. Useless by their own. They always need MASTERS. Ottomans ruled them. British ruled them. French ruled them. Now US and Israel ruling them..

British diplomat Mark sykes who designed the flags just in some hours. Its even too much for them.

You must be an idiot to believe that propaganda.

Arabs ruled empires and had nation states millennia before Turks were recorded in history. The oldest civilizations on the planet are found in the Arab world.

Those flags have nothing to do with some Brit but are colors composed of past Arab caliphates and empires who used the colors of black, white and red. Umayyads, Abbasids, Fatimid's etc.

An Arabized and Turkified Anatolian is talking about betrayal when you only became relevant after stealing the caliphate from the Arabs in 1517 at our weakest point and 400 years of backwardness in the Arab and Muslim world was luckily changed forever as well.

Negligible British support is "haram" but Austrian-Hungarian and German support is "halal"? GTFO.

As for copying, you are Arabized on almost every front. What more needs to be told? Even the suffix of your country's name (IYE) is Arabic. The crescent is an ancient Semitic symbol used by our ancestors as the first people in recorded history as well.

What is 50-80 years of foreign presence (superpowers of the time) compared to 10.000+ years of glorious recorded history? Nothing.

As for ruling, if USA and Israel are ruling "Arabs" (let us forget that there are 20+ Arab countries and that Arabs have killed more Westerners and Americans and Israelis than any other Muslims), the same USA and Israel has been ruling you since you emerged 100 years ago in your current form.

Pathetic stuff from a citizen of a small country that is not speaking Russian today due to the same USA/Israel/NATO saving you from being swallowed up by USSR after WW2. The sole reason that you became NATO members in the first place.

Delusions. case and point, the Iranian shiites, they are non-Arabs but could have only accepted people who claimed to be Arabs as their leaders (Sayyed with alleged Hussein lineage)

This whole Islamic civilization is an Arab civilization in its origin. The prophet, the Rashidun, the Umayyads and the Abbasids built this civilization entirely, every other culture that sprung from this civilization was either a leech or a mutation.

For example, let's say you are a Turk and you want to return to the pinnacle of your existence on this earth, the heyday of Turkish dominance, the Ottoman empire, You would need to go back to writing in Arabic alphabet, you would need to pray in Arabic, you would need to go back and revere Arab figures with Arab names, to adorn your Mosques and houses with the names of Arab leaders of the past. Brits who are proud of their Britishness never had to do this with Germanic figures and heroes.

Your leaders would sometimes have to be de-facto rulers and not full fledged rulers just for appearances. Your most knowledgeable and learned spiritual leaders would have to pride themselves on their Arabic language fluency.

This is the dilemma of the Turkish people, their source of pride and loved imperial history would force them to be culturally subservient to another existent culture. A culture that they branched out of but never been part of its conception or the time following that. A culture of people that would had never accepted except by force. Well, those days are over, and I would love to see an Arab "Turkishize" himself by choice nowadays.

But the other way around? exactly. You convert to Islam then immediately seek Islamic knowledge, and in what language that knowledge is in? Arabic. You travel where? Schools and knowledge circles in Saudi Arabia and Egypt. And guess what, after a few years these Muslims have unwavering affinity with those countries then they either stay or go back to their countries, but still reading, writing, and speaking in Arabic and spreading that culture around.

But if the Turks don't like that, and decide to take their culture to a different route, what can they base it on? what would be the foundation of their new true original Turkish culture? I don't know, but for starters they would be to cutting themselves off from the Arabs, who by the way are more than 400 million people compared to a mere 80 million Turks. Actually you would also be cutting yourselves off from Islam and the Quran and people who follow them because that is also pure Arabic culture.

When faced with the same problem, at least the Persians have their pre-Islamic civilization to fall to where they had their own original culture and religion.


You see, as long as there are Muslims, revering Arabs, Arabic, and Arabic culture is an inescapable fate. Even in the past, non ethnically Arab scientists, poets, and leaders who resided in this region could have only achieved what they did because they were culturally Arabs, like Salahuddin who was a Kurd ethnically, but in all reality he was an Arab and spoke Arabic and swore allegiance to the Arab Abbasid caliph. Just like the Ottoman sultans, Salahuddin would have never dared to name himself Caliph, since they were not of a certain Arab lineage.

Don't get me started, they don't understand that they were only a militarized existence, they were not really a civilization, they did not spread culture or science in the middle east. Look at old picture of Mecca under Ottoman rule and compare it with a Turkish city. To this day, all the remnants you see are forts and prisons to ship political prisoners to turkey. Arabs and Arab land were in a miserable state under the Ottomans as opposed to Arab Andalusia where its trade with the Italians gave rise to Venetian and Florentine Italy which ultimately, with AlAadnalus full, caused the Renaissance and every advancement you see around you.

See what the Arab empires of the past have left us with in the middle east to Spain and India, and compare it the more recent leftovers of the Ottoman sultanate.

Arab Umayyad mosque on Arab lands, 715 CE

Arab Abbasid mosque on Arab lands, 848 CE

Turkish Ottomon sultanate military fortress (inside the Harram where fighting is forbidden) on Arab lands that has been leveled to the ground by Saudi Arabia:

You see the difference? the Turks did not come to Arab lands to build civilization, they did not come to build civil or religious buildings. They came to build military fortresses in a no fight zone.

The Turks should walk their own path right now, or accept their reality of not being anywhere near leading other peoples of this region. Unless of course you get back to being the military force you once were, and force everyone else to live under a military dictatorship, which we know is impossible in today's world.

Quoted for the truth.

So let’s find the Hazrat Ibrahim’s people of Ur in Iraq, Hazrat Hajar’s ancestors in Egypt, family of Hazrat Ibrahim (Israelite/Ismailite) in Canaan/Palestine.

How far do you want to go back to?

This is precisely the problem when you try to mix concepts of religion with secular race-based nationalism. You get artificial states like Israel.

Also you forget the concept of the Quran and covenant with Muslims which Allah swt took.

Paraphrased: If we leave our promises with Allah swt, we will be replaced by different people who will.

That is precisely what happened to Banu Umayya, Banu Abbas, Seljuks, Ayyubis, etc.

Those were all ancient Semites and the Urheimeit (homeland) of Semites is Arabia. Hijaz as well as every single inch of Arabia and land in the Arab world, belongs to Arabs and Arabs only. You can jump up and down like a monkey for all I care. Won't change the ground realities or the historical realities for even 1 second, my Arab-obsessed Arabized troll.

BTW Mughals have NOTHING to do with Anatolians. The Mughals were a Mongol dynasty that intermarried Uzbeks for a time before solely intermarrying Indians. Turning the Mughals into full-blown Biharis. Today descendants of the Mughals look like your average Indian. As for the Safavids, they were Kurds who claimed Arab ancestry and intermarried with Arabs, Circassians, Georgians, Greeks etc.

Using that logic, several Arab dynasties ruled South Asia, lol. From Bangladesh to Pakistan to Sri Lanka.

@Dubious

This thread should be closed.

1) The news is based on a propaganda article by Middle East Monitor - a well-known anti-KSA "news site".

2) There were never any Ottoman "occupation" in KSA as only Hijaz was nominally a part of it and it was ruled by a local dynasty (Sharifs of Makkah) and to begin with most Ottomans were Arabs and the Ottoman were an Arab civilization more than anything else as argued before and which most historians will attest to and scholars.

3) No such news. People in KSA were taught that Ottomans were a good caliphate like all the other previous ones. Everything Islamic was always positively emphasized in KSA unlike in Turkey during the Kemalist era.

4) So with the above in mind, this thread should be closed as it gives ammunition for the Arab-obsessed trolls on PDF and their retarded propaganda and falsification of history.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You can’t mix secular racial nationalism with Islam. It fails on all levels.

Such things are incompatible with the religion of Islam. Holy sites belong in the hands of the believers and those who will sanctify it.

Hazrat Ibrahim’s progeny is based on faith and upholding covenant of Allah swt.

No amount of walls of text will change this reality.

As for those who no longer keep the dictates of Islam, yet claim to be Muslims, Allah swt promises divine punishment like that visited on Bani Israil.

 

[tesla]

Which illiterate villager taught you history my Arabized troll? No sane person with just a glimpse of historical knowledge would read your insane post without laughing at the historical nonsense right there.

It is the complete opposite as every historian, scholar etc. would tell you. There is literally zero influence of "Turkish culture" (Turkey and Turks are Turkified and Arabized Anatolians of various ethnic origins as confirmed by DNA - they have been conquered by foreigners, Arabs included, for millennia to the point that native Anatolian culture is no longer alive) in the Arab world and the Ottoman influence there is, is actually Arab in origin.

As for imaginary "Pakistani influence" (a 70 year old country) in Yemen and Oman, that has to be another joke. Once again it is the other way around. In fact Oman ruled parts of Pakistan (Gwadar) until very recently (less than 60 years ago) and that never happened the other way around.

Baloch economic migrants and mercenaries of the previous Omani empire are two different things.



You must be an idiot to believe that propaganda.

Arabs ruled empires and had nation states millennia before Turks were recorded in history. The oldest civilizations on the planet are found in the Arab world.

Those flags have nothing to do with some Brit but are colors composed of past Arab caliphates and empires who used the colors of black, white and red. Umayyads, Abbasids, Fatimid's etc.

An Arabized and Turkified Anatolian is talking about betrayal when you only became relevant after stealing the caliphate from the Arabs in 1517 at our weakest point and 400 years of backwardness in the Arab and Muslim world was luckily changed forever as well.

Negligible British support is "haram" but Austrian-Hungarian and German support is "halal"? GTFO.

As for copying, you are Arabized on almost every front. What more needs to be told? Even the suffix of your country's name (IYE) is Arabic. The crescent is an ancient Semitic symbol used by our ancestors as the first people in recorded history as well.

What is 50-80 years of foreign presence (superpowers of the time) compared to 10.000+ years of glorious recorded history? Nothing.

As for ruling, if USA and Israel are ruling "Arabs" (let us forget that there are 20+ Arab countries and that Arabs have killed more Westerners and Americans and Israelis than any other Muslims), the same USA and Israel has been ruling you since you emerged 100 years ago in your current form.

Pathetic stuff from a citizen of a small country that is not speaking Russian today due to the same USA/Israel/NATO saving you from being swallowed up by USSR after WW2. The sole reason that you became NATO members in the first place.







Quoted for the truth.



Those were all ancient Semites and the Urheimeit (homeland) of Semites is Arabia. Hijaz as well as every single inch of Arabia and land in the Arab world, belongs to Arabs and Arabs only. You can jump up and down like a monkey for all I care. Won't change the ground realities or the historical realities for even 1 second, my Arab-obsessed Arabized troll.

BTW Mughals have NOTHING to do with Anatolians. The Mughals were a Mongol dynasty that intermarried Uzbeks for a time before solely intermarrying Indians. Turning the Mughals into full-blown Biharis. Today descendants of the Mughals look like your average Indian. As for the Safavids, they were Kurds who claimed Arab ancestry and intermarried with Arabs, Circassians, Georgians, Greeks etc.

Using that logic, several Arab dynasties ruled South Asia, lol. From Bangladesh to Pakistan to Sri Lanka.

@Dubious

This thread should be closed.

1) The news is based on a propaganda article by Middle East Monitor - a well-known anti-KSA "news site".

2) There were never any Ottoman "occupation" in KSA as only Hijaz was nominally a part of it and it was ruled by a local dynasty (Sharifs of Makkah) and to begin with most Ottomans were Arabs and the Ottoman were an Arab civilization more than anything else as argued before and which most historians will attest to and scholars.

3) No such news. People in KSA were taught that Ottomans were a good caliphate like all the other previous ones. Everything Islamic was always positively emphasized in KSA unlike in Turkey during the Kemalist era.

4) So with the above in mind, this thread should be closed as it gives ammunition for the Arab-obsessed trolls on PDF and their retarded propaganda and falsification of history.

You are a arabized zombie lol

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You are a arabized zombie lol
https://tureng.com/tr/turkce-ingilizce/attention please

He is a previously banned ID @saif al Arab .

An Arab fascist and racist, for whom only Arabs created everything of value and all others (esp other Muslims) are subhumans.

He is the Arab Levantine equivalent of Zionist Jews.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

You are a arabized zombie lol

Arabs are Arabized. Good one.

He is a previously banned ID @saif al Arab .

An Arab fascist and racist, for whom only Arabs created everything of value and all others (esp other Muslims) are subhumans.

He is the Arab Levantine equivalent of Zionist Jews.

More drivel from this Arabized and Arab-obsessed self-proclaimed Punjabi of Indian extraction. Stick to embarrassing yourself in this thread and for me to pick your absurd drivel apart as I did earlier in this thread a few posts ago.

You can’t mix secular racial nationalism with Islam. It fails on all levels.

Such things are incompatible with the religion of Islam. Holy sites belong in the hands of the believers and those who will sanctify it.

Hazrat Ibrahim’s progeny is based on faith and upholding covenant of Allah swt.

No amount of walls of text will change this reality.

As for those who no longer keep the dictates of Islam, yet claim to be Muslims, Allah swt promises divine punishment like that visited on Bani Israil.

Every inch of Arab land is Arab land and Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was a Semite and thus a native of the land. His prodigy lives in the same ancient lands to this very day. FACT!

Allah (swt) commanded Prophet Muhammad (saws) to make local Hijazi Arabs keepers and protectors of Makkah and Madinah. Even the Al-Masjid Al-Haram as I already explained.

Bani Shaiba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bani_Shaiba

You must be illiterate in regards to Islamic history and your own religion.

This is the problem with your Arabized anti-Arabs. You even go against the commands of Allah (swt) to expose your hatred.

There are English subtitles so you will also understand it.

 

[tesla]

All of Prophets are Allah's messanger.they dont represent special a race . their messages was send to all of humanity By Allah(c.c).For example Allah send to prophet Salih to Semud society.when that Nation deny Prophet salih .Allah destroyed them like Nouh Nation,Lut society,etc. so there is no value of special race of Allah nezdinde . except Takwa.So Arabs dont hide of this.

 

[Oublious]

All of Prophets are Allah's messanger.they dont represent special a race . their messages was send to all of humanity By Allah(c.c).For example Allah send to prophet Salih to Semud society.when that Nation deny Prophet salih .Allah destroyed them like Nouh Nation,Lut society,etc. so there is no value of special race of Allah nezdinde . except Takwa.So Arabs dont hide of this.

That guy is a jewish, they made ther race a religion and you can see the pattern...

 

[Philip the Arab]

That guy is a jewish, they made ther race a religion and you can see the pattern...

Lol, you as a Turk talking when you have some gay *** celebrations on the streets.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Lol, you as a Turk talking when you have some gay *** celebrations on the streets.

Istanbul needs to be Islamified and Arabized, too much filth there which I encountered as soon as I set foot in Taksim square. It needs mutawa'een.

 

[tesla]

Lol, you as a Turk talking when you have some gay *** celebrations on the streets.

Istanbul needs to be Islamified and Arabized, too much filth there which I encountered as soon as I set foot in Taksim square. It needs mutawa'een.

taksim square is turistic place .there is no need gay arab army for this lol Turkish polis beat them . beside why both are so happy ? or both are secret gay

 

[Saddam Hussein]

taksim square is turistic place .there is no need gay arab army for this lol Turkish polis beat them . beside why both are so happy ? or both are secret gay

Islam is the only tool against gays

 

[Philip the Arab]

taksim square is turistic place .there is no need gay arab army for this lol Turkish polis beat them . beside why both are so happy ? or both are secret gay

Imagine this in KSA. Only you seculars can do this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_Pride