SAC FC-31 Stealth Fighter: News & Discussions

[zhxy]

The J-31 is a two-engine stealth aircraft
The J-35 could be the J-31 with a single engine
The J-10D is a stealth aircraft developed from the J-10

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The J-31 is a two-engine stealth aircraft
The J-35 could be the J-31 with a single engine
The J-10D is a stealth aircraft developed from the J-10

Okay, now it seems like AVIC and the PLAAF/PLAN are just reading this forum and trolling us.

 

[jaybird]

Could you please translate for the non Chinese members here?

Rough translation:

This guy learn from his old classmate who works for Chengdu Aerospace Corporation during one of their dinner chat that CAC's J-20 as candidate for PLAN's 4th generation carrier borne figther is no longer an option. Supposedly his old classmate was kind of upset with the PLAN calling them bipolar disorder. He said the PLAN obviously loved twin engine heavy fighter,but at the same time felt J-20 is too heavy for them.

CAC/611 institute higher-ups went to the PLAN side to give their last effort trying to convince them to pick the J-20 around Sept-2018. There was still a little hope before the trip. But afterward that little hope/dream was completely shattered.

 

[Figaro]

Rough translation:

This guy learn from his old classmate who works for Chengdu Aerospace Corporation during one of their dinner chat that CAC's J-20 as candidate for PLAN's 4th generation carrier borne figther is no longer an option. Supposedly his old classmate was kind of upset with the PLAN calling them bipolar disorder. He said the PLAN obviously loved twin engine heavy fighter,but at the same time felt J-20 is too heavy for them.

CAC/611 institute higher-ups went to the PLAN side to give their last effort trying to convince them to pick the J-20 around Sept-2018. There was still a little hope before the trip. But afterward that little hope/dream was completely shattered.

Thank you very much. So this is the final nail in the coffin for the navalized J-20 then?

 

[jaybird]

Thank you very much. So this is the final nail in the coffin for the navalized J-20 then?

Only if the guy who said it was credible. I don't know anything about him. You have to ask LKJ86 about that. I only translate what he posted.

 

[_NOBODY_]

Rough translation:

This guy learn from his old classmate who works for Chengdu Aerospace Corporation during one of their dinner chat that CAC's J-20 as candidate for PLAN's 4th generation carrier borne figther is no longer an option. Supposedly his old classmate was kind of upset with the PLAN calling them bipolar disorder. He said the PLAN obviously loved twin engine heavy fighter,but at the same time felt J-20 is too heavy for them.

CAC/611 institute higher-ups went to the PLAN side to give their last effort trying to convince them to pick the J-20 around Sept-2018. There was still a little hope before the trip. But afterward that little hope/dream was completely shattered.

Chengdu's desperation for PLAN to select J-20 leads me to believe that there are no plans for Chengdu to build a new 5th gen fighter. This saddens me deeply.

 

[Deino]

The J-31 is a two-engine stealth aircraft
The J-35 could be the J-31 with a single engine
The J-10D is a stealth aircraft developed from the J-10

Nope ... there is so far no J-31 only two FC-31 demonstrators and the serials variant is most likely called J-35 as the carrierborne fighter again powered by two engines. China has at lesat not yet an engine powerful enough to replace two RD-93/WS-13.

Concerning the J-10D it is IMO more a dream-project, you cannot turn the J-10 into a true stealth aircraft.

 

[Beast]

A heavily upgraded WS-13 variant

WS-19

 

[Deino]

WS-19

But don't you think this will be only the over-next variant? I cannot think that the WS-19 will be ready so soon.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

But don't you think this will be only the over-next variant? I cannot think that the WS-19 will be ready so soon.

I think it's less likely that the initial variant of SAC's stealth fighter will fly with WS-19s initially, but it's far from impossible. The WS-15 is already at the flight-testing stage, so it's reasonable to assume that the WS-19 is as well. It's quite probable that the engine is ready for testing along with the new airframe, with the WS-13 available as a fallback option.

 

[Figaro]

I think it's less likely that the initial variant of SAC's stealth fighter will fly with WS-19s initially, but it's far from impossible. The WS-15 is already at the flight-testing stage, so it's reasonable to assume that the WS-19 is as well. It's quite probable that the engine is ready for testing along with the new airframe, with the WS-13 available as a fallback option.

Actually the WS-19 is still years behind the WS-15 .... even if the pace of progress is faster than that of the 15 because it borrows alot of technology.

 

[FuturePAF]

Nope ... there is so far no J-31 only two FC-31 demonstrators and the serials variant is most likely called J-35 as the carrierborne fighter again powered by two engines. China has at lesat not yet an engine powerful enough to replace two RD-93/WS-13.

Concerning the J-10D it is IMO more a dream-project, you cannot turn the J-10 into a true stealth aircraft.

China should look into working with the Russians and Klimov to revive and jointly produce the project VK-10M project (a development of the RD-33 engine) originally planned in the early 2000s possibly intended for the Stealth MIG fighter. Thrust goals were 22,000-24,200 lb at full mil power. Two of these engines would put the J-35 in the class of the F/A-18E/F and F-35C in terms of thrust.

maybe the j-10 can’t be turned into a true stealth fighter, but maybe similar to the X-32 or the Saab FS-2020 design with a pelikan tail and internal weapons bays for a lower RCS at the initial stages of a conflict.

Two PL-10 and Four PL-15 Maybe all that is needed when you have the first shot first kill advantage

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[Figaro]

China should look into working with the Russians and Klimov to revive and jointly produce the project VK-10M project (a development of the RD-33 engine) originally planned in the early 2000s possibly intended for the Stealth MIG fighter. Thrust goals were 22,000-24,200 lb at full mil power. Two of these engines would put the J-35 in the class of the F/A-18E/F and F-35C in terms of thrust.

The WS-19 has around that same thrust and also has a T/W of 10 ... it is much more advanced than a upgraded RD-33 (which is already less advanced than the AL-31 family).

 

[LKJ86]

China should look into working with the Russians and Klimov to revive and jointly produce the project VK-10M project (a development of the RD-33 engine) originally planned in the early 2000s possibly intended for the Stealth MIG fighter.

Just forget it.
Times have changed.

 

[FuturePAF]

The WS-19 has around that same thrust and also has a T/W of 10 ... it is much more advanced than a upgraded RD-33 (which is already less advanced than the AL-31 family).

Just forget it.
Times have changed.

Fair enough if the WS-19 progressing to outperform that proposed engine. Just an FYI of a project who’s research could be looked into for some insight.

glad to hear the WS-19 is using WS-15 technology to get there on its own (not sarcastic). I would like to see the Russians out of the JF-17 project as soon as possible.