SAC FC-31 Stealth Fighter: News & Discussions

[kungfugymnast]

It needs side bays.

Yes, j31 needed side bays for 2 pl9 or pl10 short range IR guided missiles, then in total, it could carry 6x air to air missiles overall.

@mzeeshanfahd
Yes the f35 is definitely superior in stealth (gen2), avionics, engine thrust, payload and bigger internal bay. However, it could carry only 4x air to air missiles and for ground attack, it carries mostly gliding guided bombs either 2x jdam or 8x sdb 2 while carrying 2x Amraam. If it's willing to forgo stealth, it'll have 6 underwing pylons to carry standard armaments used by f15/16/18.

The j31, if they made it lighter, it'll have better fuel economy to loiter longer, probably better range and thrust to weight ratio. Alternatively, Shenyang could get the j31 redesigned without internal bay turning it into low RCS conventional multi role fighter or new navalized fighter.

 

[Knight Rider]

China has unveiled an updated version of the J-31 "Gyrfalcon" fighter jet, which is expected to be marketed internationally within the next five years, reports the Beijing-based Sina Military Network.
An updated model of the J-31 — a single-seat, twin-engine, fifth-generation stealth multirole fighter developed by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation — was recently on display at the 16th China Aviation Expo in Beijing from Sept. 16-19.
With a redesigned tail, the J-31's aerodynamic and stealth capabilities are said to have already surpassed most traditional fighter jets and will soon have an upgraded avionics system. Its current Russian-made RD-93 engine is also expected to be upgraded with a new version of the Chinese-made WS-13 engine in the future.

The J-31 reportedly reaches a max speed of Mach 1.8 and a combat radius of 2,000 kilometers, essentially satisfying the requirements of a carrier-based jet. In addition, the aircraft is said to have been designed for high survivability, low vulnerability to radar detection and low infrared radiation, and possesses excellent electronic countermeasures. The stealth fighter also has powerful target detection and external information gathering functionality, meaning it will have strong air combat capabilities can attack both land and sea targets.
The development of the J-31 has been extremely fast as it is based on mature technology, Sina Military said, noting that there have been allegations that China stole technology from America's F-35 Lightning fighter jet to design the aircraft.
The J-31 is expected to complete test flights within the next five years and be promoted on the international market shortly thereafter. By 2024, China could market the J-31 as a replacement for the current JF-17 Block II multirole combat aircraft it jointly developed with Pakistan.

Apart from advanced capabilities, the main selling point of the J-31 is its low price, which might even be cheaper than some third-generation fighters out on the market, the report said.
There are also rumors that the J-31 could end up having multiple variants, including an aircraft carrier model and a bomber model.

China's Updated J-31 Unveiled, Expected to Hit Global Market in 5 yrs - ASIAN DEFENCE NEWS

 

[Zarvan]

China has unveiled an updated version of the J-31 "Gyrfalcon" fighter jet, which is expected to be marketed internationally within the next five years, reports the Beijing-based Sina Military Network.
An updated model of the J-31 — a single-seat, twin-engine, fifth-generation stealth multirole fighter developed by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation — was recently on display at the 16th China Aviation Expo in Beijing from Sept. 16-19.
With a redesigned tail, the J-31's aerodynamic and stealth capabilities are said to have already surpassed most traditional fighter jets and will soon have an upgraded avionics system. Its current Russian-made RD-93 engine is also expected to be upgraded with a new version of the Chinese-made WS-13 engine in the future.

The J-31 reportedly reaches a max speed of Mach 1.8 and a combat radius of 2,000 kilometers, essentially satisfying the requirements of a carrier-based jet. In addition, the aircraft is said to have been designed for high survivability, low vulnerability to radar detection and low infrared radiation, and possesses excellent electronic countermeasures. The stealth fighter also has powerful target detection and external information gathering functionality, meaning it will have strong air combat capabilities can attack both land and sea targets.
The development of the J-31 has been extremely fast as it is based on mature technology, Sina Military said, noting that there have been allegations that China stole technology from America's F-35 Lightning fighter jet to design the aircraft.
The J-31 is expected to complete test flights within the next five years and be promoted on the international market shortly thereafter. By 2024, China could market the J-31 as a replacement for the current JF-17 Block II multirole combat aircraft it jointly developed with Pakistan.

Apart from advanced capabilities, the main selling point of the J-31 is its low price, which might even be cheaper than some third-generation fighters out on the market, the report said.
There are also rumors that the J-31 could end up having multiple variants, including an aircraft carrier model and a bomber model.

China's Updated J-31 Unveiled, Expected to Hit Global Market in 5 yrs - ASIAN DEFENCE NEWS

Talks of JF-17 BLOCK II getting replaced already getting started well I hope it enters market in less than 5 years and with new engine and far better avionics and also that J-20 and J-31 both get side bays. We also need to improve our economy if we want to induct these Jets in really large numbers.

 

[Knight Rider]

Talks of JF-17 BLOCK II getting replaced already getting started well I hope it enters market in less than 5 years and with new engine and far better avionics and also that J-20 and J-31 both get side bays. We also need to improve our economy if we want to induct these Jets in really large numbers.

May be replacing it with FC-31 for marketing purposes because JF-17 Thunder is not getting Foreign Deal often.
But JF-17 will serve in Pakistan Air force because it only entered service 9 years ago replacing JF-17's is out of question for PAF.

 

[BoQ77]

Combat radius : 2000km / It's so great.
Wonder what's the price.
But 2024 is way too long for it to enter marketing phase.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Combat radius : 2000km / It's so great.
Wonder what's the price.
But 2024 is way too long for it to enter marketing phase.

It won't be that long since the j31 is to counter threat of F35 flown by US & Japan air force navy & marines. 2000km is about 1200miles. It is possible if shenyang made the j31 lightweight with its ws13 engines generate similar thrust as f18e and carry only 4x pl12 internally while on max fuel.

 

[jhungary]

Single engine usually for cost effective, ease of maintenance, light weight purpose. Having twin engine is for ability to carry heavier payload and better failsafe. 2 is better than 1. It's not just about reliable, it's about better failsafe.

Regarding the mishaps, why not you blame the technical design flaw instead? If you wanted to say there were more f15 crashes then f16, you should look at the cost of replacing a single f15 & f16. If you notice, USAF tends to keep an f15 longer than f16. F15 that hits decades old only received patches while f16 that reached that lifespan, they buy new replacement just because it's cheaper.

The current f35, how heavy are they when carrying external payloads? Can they still maneuver when stealth compromised? Stealth pods come with additional weight too. You know much weight could it shed if it doesn't come with internal bay and big belly. Verdict, small~medium size stealth fighter with internal bay is just not practical.

Well........what you said was mostly untrue....

Single Engine Aircraft and Twin Engine Aircraft is not just about fail safe, it's also about performance. The failure rate is the same regarding Twin Engine aircraft and Single engine aircraft. Because unlike civilian aircraft, the engine were placed together not on either side of the wing so they cannot be balance out like a Boeing 747.

Also if one engine failed in a twin engine aircraft, you will lose thrust a single engine usually do not have enough power to keep the aircraft aerodynamically stable. So, when you have a twin engine aircraft having 1 engine down, it would be of the same fate as any single engine aircraft, which you need glide to your destination.

Another thing is the US does not simply go buy another F-16 when the older one reach their lift expectancy, they upgrade it via Block Upgrade or MLU, same thing happened to other F-series aircraft.

The final point being a stealth aircraft, F-35 does not require super agility and the statement "Can F-35 still manoeuvre when stealth compromised" is a conflict of interest. You go stealth so that you don't need to be manoeuvrable and dodging enemy missile. If I design a plane from ground up to be agile, then why would you design a stealth plane in the first place?

 

[kungfugymnast]

Yep. Japanese already has 4 light aircraft carriers. Once they get F-35B, it's a big threat.
10 years.
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2x engines and sub system put more weight to the total weight of J-31

How many f35b could a single Japanese assault ship operate? 12 maybe. So 4 amphibious assault ships would have 48x f35b. In response, china navy would need 2 carriers at least to have 2 wings of j15 and 2 wings of j31 to counter

 

[Deino]

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[Beast]

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Please do so!

 

[datalibdaz]

BEIJING: China's top aircraft manufacturer has revealed specifications of an advanced stealth fighter jet in a bid to lure foreign buyers, the official China Daily reported on Friday.

In a rare disclosure, the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (Avic) unveiled the capabilities of the J-31 aircraft at an aviation show, even though the jet is still being tested, the newspaper said.

Avic officials have made no secret of the fact that they are seeking foreign buyers for the aircraft, hoping to compete with Lockheed Martin's F-35.

Countries that cannot buy weaponry from the United States (US) have increasingly sought them from China, particularly because Chinese arms are often cheaper.

Avic said the fifth-generation fighter jet, which has a 1,200 kilometre combat range and a top speed of 2,205 kph, is designed to be in service for up to 30 years, the China Daily reported.

It has a maximum payload capacity of 8 metric tons, the newspaper said.

An Avic executive said last year the jet could "take down" foreign rivals in the sky.

The twin-engine J-31 took its maiden flight in 2012.

Read: China shows off new stealth fighter

Defence analysts have often compared the jet to the US-made F-35, and US officials have speculated that China may have used cyber espionage to acquire classified knowledge about the aircraft's development.

Stealth aircraft are vital to China developing the ability to carry out both offensive and defensive operations, the Pentagon has said in a report about developments in China's military.

The J-31 is China's second domestically produced stealth fighter jet.

President Xi Jinping has pushed to toughen the 2.3 million-strong armed forces as the country takes a more assertive stance in the region, particularly in the South China and East China seas.

China plane maker reveals stealth jet capabilities to lure buyers - World - DAWN.COM

 

[omega supremme]

BEIJING: China's top aircraft manufacturer has revealed specifications of an advanced stealth fighter jet in a bid to lure foreign buyers, the official China Daily reported on Friday.

In a rare disclosure, the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (Avic) unveiled the capabilities of the J-31 aircraft at an aviation show, even though the jet is still being tested, the newspaper said.

Avic officials have made no secret of the fact that they are seeking foreign buyers for the aircraft, hoping to compete with Lockheed Martin's F-35.

Countries that cannot buy weaponry from the United States (US) have increasingly sought them from China, particularly because Chinese arms are often cheaper.

Avic said the fifth-generation fighter jet, which has a 1,200 kilometre combat range and a top speed of 2,205 kph, is designed to be in service for up to 30 years, the China Daily reported.

It has a maximum payload capacity of 8 metric tons, the newspaper said.

An Avic executive said last year the jet could "take down" foreign rivals in the sky.

The twin-engine J-31 took its maiden flight in 2012.

Read: China shows off new stealth fighter

Defence analysts have often compared the jet to the US-made F-35, and US officials have speculated that China may have used cyber espionage to acquire classified knowledge about the aircraft's development.

Stealth aircraft are vital to China developing the ability to carry out both offensive and defensive operations, the Pentagon has said in a report about developments in China's military.

The J-31 is China's second domestically produced stealth fighter jet.

President Xi Jinping has pushed to toughen the 2.3 million-strong armed forces as the country takes a more assertive stance in the region, particularly in the South China and East China seas.

 

[TaiShang]

China will export new fighter jet
China Daily, October 9, 2015

China's leading aircraft manufacturer is on the verge of exporting its fifth-generation fighter jet, according to industry sources.

Aviation Industry Corp of China disclosed the technical specifications of the J-31 at an aviation expo even though the plane was still being tested, the sources said.

During the four-day Aviation Expo China 2015, a biennial event held in Beijing in mid-September, AVIC also displayed a large-scale model of the J-31.

Expo visitors were surprised that the State-owned defense contractor was willing to declassify the J-31's specifications, as it had never previously released such information on military air-craft until they entered mass-production and were ready for export.

Analysts said the decision indicates that the corporation wants potential foreign buyers to learn about the plane's capabilities as soon as possible so that it can secure contracts when the jet becomes operational.

A source close to AVIC who declined to be named said publication of the aircraft's specifications was aimed at impressing potential buyers.

"The earlier the buyers know about the J-31's capabilities, the higher chance AVIC has of taking up a good share of the fifth-generation aircraft market," he told China Daily.

"Once the company receives buyers' payments, it can use these to sustain the production line and continue to upgrade the aircraft to win more customers."

AVIC executives have never concealed their intentions for the J-31 project.

Li Yuhai, deputy general manager of AVIC, told reporters in November, "Since the start of the J-31's development, we have planned to use the plane to end some foreign nations' dominance of the fifth-generation fighter jet. One of its variants will be specifically designed for export."

Li was speaking on the sidelines of the 10th China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition held in Zhuhai, Guangdong province.

Chen Hu, a military expert with the People's Liberation Army, said exporting the J-31 would be a milestone for China's aviation industry because the plane would give AVIC a significant boost in competition with Western defense giants.

Xu Bangnian, a professor at the PLA Air Force Command Institute, said he expected international demand for the plane as it appeared to be the only choice for developing countries wanting an affordable fifth-generation stealth aircraft.

The only fifth-generation fighter jet available on the market is the United States' Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II, but the US will only sell it to its allies.

The J-31's maiden flight in October 2012 caused a surprise globally, as few people expected China to develop another fifth-generation fighter jet following the J-20 stealth aircraft, which made its first flight in January 2011. During the past three years, the J-31 has undergone several test flights and some changes have been made to its design.

The AVIC specifications show that it has a maximum takeoff weight of 25 metric tons and is designed to be in service for up to 30 years.

 

[Beast]

China will export new fighter jet
China Daily, October 9, 2015

China's leading aircraft manufacturer is on the verge of exporting its fifth-generation fighter jet, according to industry sources.

Aviation Industry Corp of China disclosed the technical specifications of the J-31 at an aviation expo even though the plane was still being tested, the sources said.

During the four-day Aviation Expo China 2015, a biennial event held in Beijing in mid-September, AVIC also displayed a large-scale model of the J-31.

Expo visitors were surprised that the State-owned defense contractor was willing to declassify the J-31's specifications, as it had never previously released such information on military air-craft until they entered mass-production and were ready for export.

Analysts said the decision indicates that the corporation wants potential foreign buyers to learn about the plane's capabilities as soon as possible so that it can secure contracts when the jet becomes operational.

A source close to AVIC who declined to be named said publication of the aircraft's specifications was aimed at impressing potential buyers.

"The earlier the buyers know about the J-31's capabilities, the higher chance AVIC has of taking up a good share of the fifth-generation aircraft market," he told China Daily.

"Once the company receives buyers' payments, it can use these to sustain the production line and continue to upgrade the aircraft to win more customers."

AVIC executives have never concealed their intentions for the J-31 project.

Li Yuhai, deputy general manager of AVIC, told reporters in November, "Since the start of the J-31's development, we have planned to use the plane to end some foreign nations' dominance of the fifth-generation fighter jet. One of its variants will be specifically designed for export."

Li was speaking on the sidelines of the 10th China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition held in Zhuhai, Guangdong province.

Chen Hu, a military expert with the People's Liberation Army, said exporting the J-31 would be a milestone for China's aviation industry because the plane would give AVIC a significant boost in competition with Western defense giants.

Xu Bangnian, a professor at the PLA Air Force Command Institute, said he expected international demand for the plane as it appeared to be the only choice for developing countries wanting an affordable fifth-generation stealth aircraft.

The only fifth-generation fighter jet available on the market is the United States' Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II, but the US will only sell it to its allies.

The J-31's maiden flight in October 2012 caused a surprise globally, as few people expected China to develop another fifth-generation fighter jet following the J-20 stealth aircraft, which made its first flight in January 2011. During the past three years, the J-31 has undergone several test flights and some changes have been made to its design.

The AVIC specifications show that it has a maximum takeoff weight of 25 metric tons and is designed to be in service for up to 30 years.

Iran and Pakistan will be good customer of J-31.

 

[Beast]

The appearance of a plastic toy looks like the real one. That's how they do that thing.

Maybe you can claimed this is a plastic toy too? Sourgrape will always be sourgrape.