S-300 in Iran ‘no threat to Israel’: Putin briefs Netanyahu on defensive weapons concept

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S-300 in Iran ‘no threat to Israel’: Putin briefs Netanyahu on defensive weapons concept
Published time: April 14, 2015 23:45
Edited time: April 15, 2015 01:36
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S-300.(RIA Novosti / Pavel Lisitsyn)

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Following Russia’s decision to lift a ban on supplying S-300 missile systems to Iran, the Israeli PM has called President Putin to express his “grave concerns” – and received a detailed explanation of defensive weapons and the logic behind Moscow’s move.

According to a statement released by the Kremlin, Vladimir Putin“gave a detailed explanation of the logic behind Russia’s decision…emphasizing the fact that the tactical and technical specifications of the S-300 system make it a purely defensive weapon; therefore, it would not pose any threat to the security of Israel or other countries in the Middle East.”

The assurances do not appear to have had the desired effect. In a statement released by his office, the Israeli PM expressed“grave concerns regarding the decision,”and told Russia’s president that this step“will only encourage Iranian aggression in the region and further undermine the stability of the Middle East.”

READ MORE: Putin lifts ban on delivery of S-300 missile systems to Iran

Russia signed an $800 million deal in 2007 to ship five S-300 divisions, which are composed of radars and multiple interception missile launchers, only to postpone the deal three years later, during the presidency of Dmitry Medvedev.

It was done as a sign of solidarity with Western partners who were imposing increasingly tough sanctions against the Islamic Republic – the missile systems themselves were never on the international sanctions list.

The reversal comes amid major progress in the negotiation framework between Iran and six leading world powers over the regulation of the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program, which should produce a final deal this summer.

Moscow believes at this stage there is“no longer need for this kind of embargo,”Russian FM Sergey Lavrov said, reiterating that“from the Russian side it was unilateral and voluntary.”Russia has also started supplying grain, equipment and construction materials to Iran in exchange for crude oil under the so-called“oil-for-goods”barter deal, which had earlier sparked dissatisfaction in the West.

READ MORE: Russia Iran oil-for-goods deal on – Kremlin

The US officials also seemed displeased with Russia’s latest“non-constructive”moves, with State Department spokesperson Marie Harf however admitting that it did not violate any international norms.“We don’t believe it’s constructive at this time for Russia to move forward with this,”she said, adding that Secretary Kerry had voiced his concerns too.

For its part of the future deal with Iran, the West is promising it will drop some of its sanctions against Tehran – particularly in the oil and financial sectors. However on Tuesday the German foreign minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier warned that it was important to wait until the Iranians fulfill their side of the bargain.

“I've told some US senators that they should not now try to unnecessarily impede further negotiations,”he told the media when asked about Russia’s contract in Lubeck in Germany on Tuesday.“But I'll also say that it is also too early to talk about rewards at this stage.”

S-300 in Iran ‘no threat to Israel’: Putin briefs Netanyahu on defensive weapons concept — RT News

 

[mike2000 is back]

Look thought Iran had its own advanced air defence missiles and didn't need any Russian S 300? Was thinking they will reject it and demand their cash back from Moscow, guess I overestimated Iran then.

 

[SHAHED]

Look thought Iran had its own advanced air defence missiles and didn't need any Russian S 300? Was thinking they will reject it and demand their cash back from Moscow, guess I overestimated Iran then.

Iran started working on Bavar-373 as soon as the deal was blocked . It takes some years for Bavar-373 to enter mass production (its design is nearing completion) .

Meanwhile , we can fortify our airdefense network with 5 divisions of S-300 PMU-2 .

this is just to fill the gap for some years

 

[Cheetah786]

Russian president Vladimir Putin on 13 April rescinded a 'voluntary' ban on the sale of the S-300 air defence system to Iran, ostensibly as a result of the Lausanne nuclear agreement.

Iranian operators were trained on the S-300 in Russia as recently as 2010, after signing a USD800-million contract for the sale of the S-300 with Iran. Iran has given Russia USD200 million as a downpayment already.

Politically, the lifting of the ban sends a signal to the West that Russia is treating the initial nuclear agreement reached in Lausanne as having removed any justification for Iran's continued isolation. Militarily, the likely availability of trained personnel in Iran, and Iran's likely ability to pay for the S-300 soon, even without implementation of sanctions relief, indicate that the S-300 could become operational in Iran within months.

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The deployment of the S-300 would make the option of an Israeli, or even a US, military strike on Iran's nuclear sites much higher risk and of problematic effectiveness, as non-stealth jets would be easily targeted. This increases the risk that Israeli military planners will regard the 'window' for unilateral action as narrowing, and effectively as closed once S-300 is deployed. Moreover, threat of weapons sales from Russia to Iran will likely inflame Congress, which is already opposed to the proposed P5+1 agreement. Additionally, the announcement also reflects Russia's prioritization of the sales of weapons, and of accessing weapons markets. Russia likely hopes to become the primary weapons supplier for Iran following the lifting of sanctions, given that most equipment owned by Iran's rivals in the Gulf Co-operation Council is US-made.

 

[agarrao a las kalandrakas]

Iran started working on Bavar-373 as soon as the deal was blocked . It takes some years for Bavar-373 to enter mass production (its design is nearing completion) .

Meanwhile , we can fortify our airdefense network with 5 divisions of S-300 PMU-2 .

this is just to fill the gap for some years

But S-300 PMU-2 is NOT produced anymore. PMU-1 was discontinuated long time ago...

So how will Russia transfer PMU-2 to Iran nowadays, if the factorys don't produce S-300 PMU2 since some years ago!
For the PMU-1 it's the same problem.

It would be other systems!

 

[mike2000 is back]

Iran started working on Bavar-373 as soon as the deal was blocked . It takes some years for Bavar-373 to enter mass production (its design is nearing completion) .

Meanwhile , we can fortify our airdefense network with 5 divisions of S-300 PMU-2 .

this is just to fill the gap for some years

I know bro. I was just being sarcasticsarcastic. Since some Iranian mbers here were saying russia is a backstabber(which I don't denylol) and that they don't need any such weapon from Russia as they already have theirs, while asking for russia to return their money. SO just wanted them to tone down this rhetoric and be more pragmatic.

 

[HariPrasad]

S-300 in Iran ‘no threat to Israel’: Putin briefs Netanyahu on defensive weapons concept
Published time: April 14, 2015 23:45
Edited time: April 15, 2015 01:36
Get short URL

S-300.(RIA Novosti / Pavel Lisitsyn)

Iran tension,Israel vs Iran
Tags

Arms,Iran,Israel,Missile defense,Nuclear,Russia,Security
Following Russia’s decision to lift a ban on supplying S-300 missile systems to Iran, the Israeli PM has called President Putin to express his “grave concerns” – and received a detailed explanation of defensive weapons and the logic behind Moscow’s move.

According to a statement released by the Kremlin, Vladimir Putin“gave a detailed explanation of the logic behind Russia’s decision…emphasizing the fact that the tactical and technical specifications of the S-300 system make it a purely defensive weapon; therefore, it would not pose any threat to the security of Israel or other countries in the Middle East.”

The assurances do not appear to have had the desired effect. In a statement released by his office, the Israeli PM expressed“grave concerns regarding the decision,”and told Russia’s president that this step“will only encourage Iranian aggression in the region and further undermine the stability of the Middle East.”

READ MORE: Putin lifts ban on delivery of S-300 missile systems to Iran

Russia signed an $800 million deal in 2007 to ship five S-300 divisions, which are composed of radars and multiple interception missile launchers, only to postpone the deal three years later, during the presidency of Dmitry Medvedev.

It was done as a sign of solidarity with Western partners who were imposing increasingly tough sanctions against the Islamic Republic – the missile systems themselves were never on the international sanctions list.

The reversal comes amid major progress in the negotiation framework between Iran and six leading world powers over the regulation of the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program, which should produce a final deal this summer.

Moscow believes at this stage there is“no longer need for this kind of embargo,”Russian FM Sergey Lavrov said, reiterating that“from the Russian side it was unilateral and voluntary.”Russia has also started supplying grain, equipment and construction materials to Iran in exchange for crude oil under the so-called“oil-for-goods”barter deal, which had earlier sparked dissatisfaction in the West.

READ MORE: Russia Iran oil-for-goods deal on – Kremlin

The US officials also seemed displeased with Russia’s latest“non-constructive”moves, with State Department spokesperson Marie Harf however admitting that it did not violate any international norms.“We don’t believe it’s constructive at this time for Russia to move forward with this,”she said, adding that Secretary Kerry had voiced his concerns too.

For its part of the future deal with Iran, the West is promising it will drop some of its sanctions against Tehran – particularly in the oil and financial sectors. However on Tuesday the German foreign minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier warned that it was important to wait until the Iranians fulfill their side of the bargain.

“I've told some US senators that they should not now try to unnecessarily impede further negotiations,”he told the media when asked about Russia’s contract in Lubeck in Germany on Tuesday.“But I'll also say that it is also too early to talk about rewards at this stage.”

S-300 in Iran ‘no threat to Israel’: Putin briefs Netanyahu on defensive weapons concept — RT News

The power of putin. Even Israel scare of this S300. Russian weapons are really scary. Every enemy facing Russian weapon shall piss in pant irrespective of who the opponent is.

 

[mike2000 is back]

The power of putin. Even Israel scare of this S300. Russian weapons are really scary. Every enemy facing Russian weapon shall piss in pant irrespective of who the opponent is.

To be honest, its not like Russian weapons are super fantastic/awesome or whatever. Lool going by past experience, countries who have been armed by Russia in the middle east have always fared far worse when faced with western supplied weapons/countries. E.g israel vs arab conflicts .Lool I font know if it's because the people using them are poorly trained or sub par, but all I can say is that its not really impressive. Lool

 

[temp1994]

To be honest, its not like Russian weapons are super fantastic/awesome or whatever. Lool going by past experience, countries who have been armed by Russia in the middle east have always fared far worse when faced with western supplied weapons/countries. E.g israel vs arab conflicts .Lool I font know if it's because the people using them are poorly trained or sub par, but all I can say is that its not really impressive. Lool

There are plenty of examples of armies using Soviet equipment besting Armies armed with Western equipment.

Indo-Pak war of 1971 is one such example. India defeated Pakistan in detail using Soviet made weapons.

Yom-Kippur war of 1973 is another example. Egyptian army defeated Israeli army initially. It got hammered only when Egyptian army ,contrary to what it had planned, stepped out of their SAM cover and got butchered by Israeli Air Force. You could not blame equipment for poor military leadership.

Korean war is an example.

WW II is an example.

The power of putin. Even Israel scare of this S300. Russian weapons are really scary. Every enemy facing Russian weapon shall piss in pant irrespective of who the opponent is.

Israel does not have much to fear from S-300. Israeli air force had practiced with Greek Air force and in all probability has got strategies of going around S-300. Also SAM , in absence of a strong Airforce, have not proved to be of much use. Most Airforces use their aircrafts and SAM systems in unison.SAM prepared killing ground and Aircrafts force hostile airplanes into those killing zones, or SAM create no go area and force your enemy to fly higher and your Aircraft wait to ambush at right altitude.


Along with that S-300 is not so super. Its radar is serious handicapped.

 

[mike2000 is back]

There are plenty of examples of armies using Soviet equipment besting Armies armed with Western equipment.

Indo-Pak war of 1971 is one such example. India defeated Pakistan in detail using Soviet made weapons.

Yom-Kippur war of 1973 is another example. Egyptian army defeated Israeli army initially. It got hammered only when Egyptian army ,contrary to what it had planned, stepped out of their SAM cover and got butchered by Israeli Air Force. You could not blame equipment for poor military leadership.

Korean war is an example.

WW II is an example.

There are plenty of examples of armies using Soviet equipment besting Armies armed with Western equipment.

Indo-Pak war of 1971 is one such example. India defeated Pakistan in detail using Soviet made weapons.

Yom-Kippur war of 1973 is another example. Egyptian army defeated Israeli army initially. It got hammered only when Egyptian army ,contrary to what it had planned, stepped out of their SAM cover and got butchered by Israeli Air Force. You could not blame equipment for poor military leadership.

Korean war is an example.

WW II is an example.

Nope WWII and Korean war is not an example. For one soviet union military equipments/weapons/tech was way inferior to that of germany or the west. Even the russians recognise their tech/weapons was inferior to that of germany in every sense. The record/casualties alone speaks for itself.lol The Russian won mostly due to sheer size/number of people they were willing to sacrifice(and russian winter which slowef down nazis troops/equipment) and the fact that Germany alone was fighting with mighty powers like British empire and the mighty U.S at the same time. There's no way germany could win fighting 4 major powers alone at the same time.
Korean war, the west never lt lost it was a stalemate at the end and again the Chinese backed by Russia were fighting in their own neighbourhood just across the border and had a massive numerical advantage, compared to the U.S who was fighting a war car away from home, coupled with political impasse at home which limited the military from carrying out the war the way they wanted. Despite all these the U.S/allies didn't lost and were able to maintain the status quo which north Korea wanted to change/unify the korean.
In fact all things being equal China (backed by Russia) should/ought to win hands down since this was a war that was fought in their own neighbourhood, not at from home. Can you imagine China or Russia trying to fight a war against the U.S in mexico? Lool they won't even last a day. This shows its because of higher/better military tech/equipment/logistics the west enjoys over others.

India-Pakistan is same, India ought to crush them in weeks giving its size/resources, yet they struggled to, reason Kashmir is still disputed till today , else they would have taken all of it long time ago. Its like say Russia struggling to defeat Ukraine in a direct war. Lol

 

[temp1994]

India-Pakistan is same, India ought to crush them in weeks giving its size/resources, yet they struggled to, reason Kashmir is still disputed till today , else they would have taken all of it long time ago. Its like say Russia struggling to defeat Ukraine in a direct war. Lol

Pakistan ,of pre 1971 era, was twice as big as it is today in both population and area. At that time India was only three times larger in both area and population with a Armed force force only 1.36 times to that of Pakistani.Apart from that while India started armament only after loss in Indo-China war in 1962, Pakistan from start was a military state.

Also India has to keep some of its forces at Indo-China border to prevent a possible Chinese attack.


SO Indo-Pak war of 1971 was not a Russian-Ukraine war, rather it was equivalent to Franco-Prussian war on basis of strength.An advantage of 1.3 is not an earth shattering one.


Kashmir is disputed today because we did not wanted to get Pakistan occupied Kashmir in reality. We have no appetite to make any muslim majority area our own, except what we had since independence.

 

[Beast]

To be honest, its not like Russian weapons are super fantastic/awesome or whatever. Lool going by past experience, countries who have been armed by Russia in the middle east have always fared far worse when faced with western supplied weapons/countries. E.g israel vs arab conflicts .Lool I font know if it's because the people using them are poorly trained or sub par, but all I can say is that its not really impressive. Lool

Yes yes, we all know the fantastic new Iraq army equipped with Abrams tank, carbine and hummer(western made stuff)knock out by ISIS equipped with RPG and AK-47 only

 

[Serpentine]

I know bro. I was just being sarcasticsarcastic. Since some Iranian mbers here were saying russia is a backstabber(which I don't denylol) and that they don't need any such weapon from Russia as they already have theirs, while asking for russia to return their money. SO just wanted them to tone down this rhetoric and be more pragmatic.

I am one of those members you mentioned, I didn't say we don't need it, I said we have one under development and I'd yet even years for it to become operational rather than getting it from Russians. I am hopeful about Bavar-373, let's see what future holds for us.

Yes yes, we all know the fantastic new Iraq army equipped with Abrams tank, carbine and hummer(western made stuff)knock out by ISIS equipped with RPG and AK-47 only

Those officers didn't even fight, some fifth columns in army betrayed Iraq and retreated in face of Daesh. If they had fought, IS would have never captured Mosul and Tikrit.

 

[atatwolf]

Russia also says they haven't supported rebels in East-Ukraine. The money they will get from a deal with Iran will be evaporated by the increased sanctions that will be slapped on Russia (if they do go ahead). Political rhetoric and real world actions should be separated.

 

[SHAHED]

Russia also says they haven't supported rebels in East-Ukraine. The money they will get from a deal with Iran will be evaporated by the increased sanctions that will be slapped on Russia (if they do go ahead). Political rhetoric and real world actions should be separated.

@vostok


Are these people obsessed with russia too ?