Russia's UAC may deliver fighter jets to Bangladesh

[Nilgiri]

i didnt tick it up to be as equal to as f-15 and it's unsurprising people go by assumptions but no i have been in cockpits of many planes in my life.... have even flow two.... //// i am not even going to read the rest of your post....
@Nilgiri i am sure you know a thing or two about aviation... why dont you say what you think

The conversation bores me and is typical of all defence forums.

No point. People will essentially believe what they want to believe. Most would have exactly reversed conversations if India had F-16s and Pakistan had Mig - 29s. Therein lies the fundamental problem.

Better use of time is to listen to some good ole ragtime:

 

[Zabaniyah]

It's called Mig 29m2. The difference between the two is an AESA radar. The variant carrying AESA is called Mig35.

Well, if that was the case then everybody would be playing with AESA radars by now.

There lies a difference between coming up with a new technology, and finally fielding it on a mass scale. Not even the Eurofighters have been able to implement it. The Russians certainly haven't been able to yet. Not any time soon. Their priority would be their PAK-FA stealth fighters, and no one else (not even the Indian's MKI). Back in 2012, only one of the three PAK-FA prototypes were equipped with the AESA radar.

It's not like 'oh look, there's an AESA radar. Let's load them all up!'. It's not that simple.

There is no question that the Russians have come up with a sound AESA radar small enough to be mounted on an aircraft, infrared sensors and state of the art electronic warfare systems. However, there would lie a question on how well would all those subsystems be integrated and effectively function as one weapon.

That being said, the only country that had been fielding different types of AESA radars on aircraft over the years is the U.S. The recent one being the French with their Rafale - The only European country to do so (albeit on a small scale).

It took the Americans decades of hard work and billions of dollars into all those integrated and complex avionics suites into the various aircraft like the F-15 and the F-18. Particularly into what the Raptor is today.

There's little doubt that the Russians will field state of the art aircraft equipped with AESA radars - Namely the PAK FA. But, it is a question of when. It is also a question of money.

egypt wont be getting because... israel!
israel and russia have some form of understanding when weapons are sold to the arabs.... arabs always buy these to f up the region

Israeli pressure? You are going to need a source for that.

And for those saying that Bangladesh must get some different variant from the MKI, uh....you guys do realize that the SM is essentially a Russian version of the MKI for the Russian Air Force's requirements right? Said to be India's 'gift' to the Russian Air Force

 

[TopCat]

Well, if that was the case then everybody would be playing with AESA radars by now.

There lies a difference between coming up with a new technology, and finally fielding it on a mass scale. Not even the Eurofighters have been able to implement it. The Russians certainly haven't been able to yet. Not any time soon. Their priority would be their PAK-FA stealth fighters, and no one else (not even the Indian's MKI). Back in 2012, only one of the three PAK-FA prototypes were equipped with the AESA radar.

It's not like 'oh look, there's an AESA radar. Let's load them all up!'. It's not that simple.

There is no question that the Russians have come up with a sound AESA radar small enough to be mounted on an aircraft, infrared sensors and state of the art electronic warfare systems. However, there would lie a question on how well would all those subsystems be integrated and effectively function as one weapon.

That being said, the only country that had been fielding different types of AESA radars on aircraft over the years is the U.S. The recent one being the French with their Rafale - The only European country to do so (albeit on a small scale).

It took the Americans decades of hard work and billions of dollars into all those integrated and complex avionics suites into the various aircraft like the F-15 and the F-18. Particularly into what the Raptor is today.

There's little doubt that the Russians will field state of the art aircraft equipped with AESA radars - Namely the PAK FA. But, it is a question of when. It is also a question of money.



Israeli pressure? You are going to need a source for that.

And for those saying that Bangladesh must get some different variant from the MKI, uh....you guys do realize that the SM is essentially a Russian version of the MKI for the Russian Air Force's requirements right? Said to be India's 'gift' to the Russian Air Force

There is not much difference in aesa and pesa radars in technology except how they generate the power for signals.

 

[Zabaniyah]

There is not much difference in aesa and pesa radars in technology except how they generate the power for signals.

It'll give the aircraft an edge for sure depending on how well it is integrated.

But will an aircraft sporting AESA be better than the one sporting PESA? Not necessarily. I see little reason to be concerned about it.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Well, if that was the case then everybody would be playing with AESA radars by now.

There lies a difference between coming up with a new technology, and finally fielding it on a mass scale. Not even the Eurofighters have been able to implement it. The Russians certainly haven't been able to yet. Not any time soon. Their priority would be their PAK-FA stealth fighters, and no one else (not even the Indian's MKI). Back in 2012, only one of the three PAK-FA prototypes were equipped with the AESA radar.

It's not like 'oh look, there's an AESA radar. Let's load them all up!'. It's not that simple.

There is no question that the Russians have come up with a sound AESA radar small enough to be mounted on an aircraft, infrared sensors and state of the art electronic warfare systems. However, there would lie a question on how well would all those subsystems be integrated and effectively function as one weapon.

That being said, the only country that had been fielding different types of AESA radars on aircraft over the years is the U.S. The recent one being the French with their Rafale - The only European country to do so (albeit on a small scale).

It took the Americans decades of hard work and billions of dollars into all those integrated and complex avionics suites into the various aircraft like the F-15 and the F-18. Particularly into what the Raptor is today.

There's little doubt that the Russians will field state of the art aircraft equipped with AESA radars - Namely the PAK FA. But, it is a question of when. It is also a question of money.



Israeli pressure? You are going to need a source for that.

And for those saying that Bangladesh must get some different variant from the MKI, uh....you guys do realize that the SM is essentially a Russian version of the MKI for the Russian Air Force's requirements right? Said to be India's 'gift' to the Russian Air Force

Yes I do... it's basically the same sans Indian choice of avionics... which are sourced from Israel and France.

 

[Arthur]

Well, if that was the case then everybody would be playing with AESA radars by now.

There lies a difference between coming up with a new technology, and finally fielding it on a mass scale. Not even the Eurofighters have been able to implement it. The Russians certainly haven't been able to yet. Not any time soon. Their priority would be their PAK-FA stealth fighters, and no one else (not even the Indian's MKI). Back in 2012, only one of the three PAK-FA prototypes were equipped with the AESA radar.

It's not like 'oh look, there's an AESA radar. Let's load them all up!'. It's not that simple.

There is no question that the Russians have come up with a sound AESA radar small enough to be mounted on an aircraft, infrared sensors and state of the art electronic warfare systems. However, there would lie a question on how well would all those subsystems be integrated and effectively function as one weapon.

That being said, the only country that had been fielding different types of AESA radars on aircraft over the years is the U.S. The recent one being the French with their Rafale - The only European country to do so (albeit on a small scale).

It took the Americans decades of hard work and billions of dollars into all those integrated and complex avionics suites into the various aircraft like the F-15 and the F-18. Particularly into what the Raptor is today.

There's little doubt that the Russians will field state of the art aircraft equipped with AESA radars - Namely the PAK FA. But, it is a question of when. It is also a question of money.



Israeli pressure? You are going to need a source for that.

And for those saying that Bangladesh must get some different variant from the MKI, uh....you guys do realize that the SM is essentially a Russian version of the MKI for the Russian Air Force's requirements right? Said to be India's 'gift' to the Russian Air Force

Well, I didn't said it's an everday job for an everyday joe. I merely pointed out how Russia designated the advanced Mig variants.