Russia's UAC may deliver fighter jets to Bangladesh

[Species]

I doubt Bangladesh will go for SU 30 as india already has it rather they will go for SU 35 or MIG 35.

We can always go for variants other than the MKI.

 

[Michael Corleone]

We can always go for variants other than the MKI.

mki is for india... why would bangladesh buy something tailor made for them... lol

 

[bluesky]

No it doesn't HAVE to be a 2 seater

Please read attachment #381654. 2-seat cockpit is clearly written. So, the plane must be a 2-seat one. We have to do our guessing on the basis of specifications. By the way, the opening news also says there will be an additional four planes in the near future.

 

[Nilgiri]

mki is for india... why would bangladesh buy something tailor made for them... lol

Call it MKB....and you would probably ask for 0 Israeli avionics and systems

Your loss in my opinion....on that but can't see anything else being too much different past the name (similar to difference between MKM and MKI).

 

[Species]

mki is for india... why would bangladesh buy something tailor made for them... lol

That's what I said, we can go for variants 'other than' the MKI. And MKIs are only manufactured in India so there is a quality issue as well.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Call it MKB....and you would probably ask for 0 Israeli avionics and systems

Your loss in my opinion....on that but can't see anything else being too much different past the name (similar to difference between MKM and MKI).

Your jets mission requirement is very different than ours

 

[Chhatrapati]

I doubt Bangladesh will go for SU 30 as india already has it rather they will go for SU 35 or MIG 35.

We are not seeing Bangladesh as a potential threat.

That's what I said, we can go for variants 'other than' the MKI. And MKIs are only manufactured in India so there is a quality issue as well.

No matter what you buy man. Many Sukhoi parts are 'Made in India' You better scrap the deal.

 

[omega supremme]

We are not seeing Bangladesh as a potential threat.

But, the way Bangladeshi members talk in this forum, it seems they consider you people more of a threat than the Myanmar.

 

[ghazi768]

But, I have read somewhere JF-17 speed is a maximum 1.6 mach and it also has a drag problem. JF-17 needs also a longer than normal time to reach a certain elevation in the sky. I do not know if it uses Chinese engines or not. Whatever we say, Chinese engines have not yet been perfected like the western ones. Even China itself uses Russian jet engines to its own PLAAF planes.

I think you do not know much about aircrafts and what you read is incorrect..

mach 1.6 is not the maximum speed.. basically above a certain speed a DSI does not remain 'efficient'.. it is not a speed limit. Also not remaining efficient do not automatically entail that such supersonic speed will result in harm to engine, speeds which can increase risk of damage to turbine and blades are much higher and depends on the inlet design. E.g. F-16, which has a fixed geometry inlet not even a DSI can easily go past mach 2.0, the reason 2.0 is mentioned as speed limit for F-16s is because of risk of its bubble canopy deformation at higher speeds but trust me there are those who took a F-16 to higher speeds with ease..

Also comparing Jf-17 in drag to a Mig-29 is an insult..if you knew better.. Mig-29 is famous for its slower accelerations and got played around even by bulky F-111s and tornados during first gulf war, when encountered it was unable to catch up with them. And western experts debated for ages, before checking it out, about increased drag because of its unusual skin.

 

[Michael Corleone]

I think you do not know much about aircrafts and what you read is incorrect..

mach 1.6 is not the maximum speed.. basically above a certain speed a DSI does not remain 'efficient'.. it is not a speed limit. Also not remaining efficient do not automatically entail that such supersonic speed will result in harm to engine, speeds which can increase risk of damage to turbine and blades are much higher and depends on the inlet design. E.g. F-16, which has a fixed geometry inlet not even a DSI can easily go past mach 2.0, the reason 2.0 is mentioned as speed limit for F-16s is because of risk of its bubble canopy deformation at higher speeds but trust me there are those who took a F-16 to higher speeds with ease..

Also comparing Jf-17 in drag to a Mig-29 is an insult..if you knew better.. Mig-29 is famous for its slower accelerations and got played around even by bulky F-111s and tornados during first gulf war, when encountered it was unable to catch up with them. And western experts debated for ages, before checking it out, about increased drag because of its unusual skin.

mig 29 has slower accelarations?
lmao iraqis were extremely inefficient in fighters other than mig 29... like mig 21 for example.. f-7s etc...

where as pakistanis have excelled with those very planes and even worse ones.... so saying mig 29 has poor accelerations while also stating, comparing it with jf-17 is an insult because jf-17 is much better fighter... states that jf-17 is better than f-16... a fighter that is a direct competitor to mig 29... a fighter which even a year back until refused by the US was in your purchase list.

maybe it is an insult comparing your jf-17 to mig 29... i would put it in the range of mig 21... being a much evolved successor... and on equal terms with tejas... although i am not a big fan of tejas itself! certainly not the leagues of JAS gripen.

 

[ghazi768]

mig 29 has slower accelarations?
lmao iraqis were extremely inefficient in fighters other than mig 29... like mig 21 for example.. f-7s etc...

where as pakistanis have excelled with those very planes and even worse ones.... so saying mig 29 has poor accelerations while also stating, comparing it with jf-17 is an insult because jf-17 is much better fighter... states that jf-17 is better than f-16... a fighter that is a direct competitor to mig 29... a fighter which even a year back until refused by the US was in your purchase list.

maybe it is an insult comparing your jf-17 to mig 29... i would put it in the range of mig 21... being a much evolved successor... and on equal terms with tejas... although i am not a big fan of tejas itself! certainly not the leagues of JAS gripen.

How much bloody in-efficient a pilot has to be if the only thing he need to do to gain speed is to push the throttle. Have some intelligence, I was comparing acceleration and speed of JF-17 and Mig-29, not Mig-19 and F-16. I think you may have the brains enough to not compare F-16 vis a vis Mig-29 in speed and acceleration.

Mig-29, a direct competitor of F-16.. is it a joke?

 

[Nilgiri]

Your jets mission requirement is very different than ours

I am saying if its SU-30 MK there is only so much options to meet any "requirement".

No one is going to change the tooling and die base and majority of standard options for just an 8 aircraft order.

You only need sit back and watch. A few things will be excluded and replaced because of "Israel" politics just like Malaysia did with their MKM.....little else.....and maybe you lot will still laud it being wholly "different" on "requirements"....who knows. Anyone following military aviation knows better, that too if an 8 order purchase even literally registers on the radar to begin with.

Its 8 frigging aircraft....chump change....no one's changing anything drastic to meet your "requirements" from the base SU-30 MK model.....so it definitely is not going to be anything too different from MKI and MKM. If you want to keep it as close to MK as possible, you will simply get a cookie cutter export MKK....who's envelope of performance is even somewhat inferior to the previous 2.

 

[ziaulislam]

How much bloody in-efficient a pilot has to be if the only thing he need to do to gain speed is to push the throttle. Have some intelligence, I was comparing acceleration and speed of JF-17 and Mig-29, not Mig-19 and F-16. I think you may have the brains enough to not compare F-16 vis a vis Mig-29 in speed and acceleration.

Mig-29, a direct competitor of F-16.. is it a joke?

you can easily tell the about amatuers here
mig 29 was trolled in every fight, you can expect every nation pilots to be idiots, this was true for serbia as well
point here is not understanding simple fact that DSI has advantages in its low weight, efficiency and the fact that Rd 93 simple thrust is better than engine on gripen and even earlier versions of mirage2000!

 

[Michael Corleone]

I am saying if its SU-30 MK there is only so much options to meet any "requirement".

No one is going to change the tooling and die base and majority of standard options for just an 8 aircraft order.

You only need sit back and watch. A few things will be excluded and replaced because of "Israel" politics just like Malaysia did with their MKM.....little else.....and maybe you lot will still laud it being wholly "different" on "requirements"....who knows. Anyone following military aviation knows better, that too if an 8 order purchase even literally registers on the radar to begin with.

Its 8 frigging aircraft....chump change....no one's changing anything drastic to meet your "requirements" from the base SU-30 MK model.....so it definitely is not going to be anything too different from MKI and MKM. If you want to keep it as close to MK as possible, you will simply get a cookie cutter export MKK....who's envelope of performance is even somewhat inferior to the previous 2.

true... but i wonder how the deal will come to be... .will their be options to add the same models in future sqd... as our requirement calls for? maybe we'll just get like the malaysians or maybe go china route... get inferior radars to avoid getting canards increasing payload in the process....

How much bloody in-efficient a pilot has to be if the only thing he need to do to gain speed is to push the throttle. Have some intelligence, I was comparing acceleration and speed of JF-17 and Mig-29, not Mig-19 and F-16. I think you may have the brains enough to not compare F-16 vis a vis Mig-29 in speed and acceleration.

Mig-29, a direct competitor of F-16.. is it a joke?

first off wasnt talking about mig 19.... so read carefully/....
second without getting into arguments and fanboying... my question to you is... what was mig 29 designed to go up against back in the soviet days?

 

[Tehari_Haleem]

If we're going the Su-30 path, Taking the Algerian route of replacing all Israeli avionics of Su-30MKI with French ones and calling it MKA seems like the logical path we should take...unless Hasina's daughter-in-law gets to put her input on the matter