Russian warns against arming Syrian opposition

[lem34]

Assad should step down and hold free and fair elections under UN observers.

No one will die, no one will need to supply weapons and Syrian infrastructure will remain intact. I mean if Assad really does have the sorta support he claims then what is he afraid of?

mate we agree on something lol dialogue and elections must be the way forward

 

[Desert Fox]

btw, here is the video i mentioned...

This video proves nothing for many reasons:

1). The cars and men aren't labeled "Iranians".

2). The guy narrating the video is speaking in Arabic, and this leads me to doubt the video for it can be a propaganda film made by the rebels to prove a point that can't otherwise be proven.

3). Who are the rebels that Iran is supplying these arms to?

 

[NeutralCitizen]

So they should stop because he is true brutal?? I mean yeah sure let Assad Israeli inspired policy work that is very encouraging dontcha think?? And please "Neutral Citizen" We all know who and what you truly are. Youre hate for Islam runs deep that is pretty much apparent.

If you arm them there is no way they can win you know that without a know fly zone. how can I be an Islamic hater when I'm Muslim myself it just doesn't make logical sense.

 

[silko]

In practical terms the overwhelming number of people want to have security, a roof on their head and food on the table and could not give a monkey's who runs the country.

i will focus on this.

look at the economical situation of Syria since the assad clan has been in power...

- socialist/communist policies who have failed

- several wars against Israel that has weakened their economy even more

- loosing land to Israel

- people like Syrian Christian and Syrian Lion moving to USA to get better economical situation etc...

what does this tell you? that people haven't seen a single bit of change for 40 years, while miss assad is shoping in Europe for thousands of Euros the average Syrian citizen struggles to get some few dollars a day.

you think people are happy about this?

and some fun facts that you might not know.

-Turkey is the biggest economical partner of Syria and Turkey was the only country who supported Syria to be more favoured in the west

- Russia only cares about Syria because of it's port, not because it values human life as seen several times (supporting Serbs, Supporting North-Korea, supporting several sick dictators in Africa)

i am talking politics now, forget the war that is going on, but who would want to have someone ruling them for 40 years and give them no economical change?

and on top of that loosing some land from your country to someone else, and going to war for no reason, occupying Lebanon for 25 years... where do you think that will lead the country to.

what we are seeing is a mini Soviet dissolving slowly... assad has done the same thing the stupid soviet dictators do. drain their country into an economical mess

 

[Desert Fox]

What we call freedom fighters you might call terrorests, and what we call terrorists you might call freedom fighters.
It depends on your point of view and loyalty. The fact is that winners always write history.
Propaganda has a way of fogging the issues. If you think that today most Syrians want bashar and his psychopathic cult to remain in power there is nothing anyone can do to convince you otherwise. But again, no one wants to anyways. The Syrians are writing thier history Alone, while you guys call them terrorists/ CIA/Al-Qaida/Mossad/ Ninja Turtles.

Not to sound rude or anything, but your reply to Aryab_B's post is a blatant sign of ignorance, you didn't even get the gist of his post and instead went off on a rant that does not in any way address the points Aryan_B made in his post.

 

[silko]

Silko,don't try to fool yourself and all of us,Iran has been exporting arms to Syria since more than 10 years ago.Just like Russia and China.There is nothing new here.

i was showing that video because desert fox made an argument saying we should have proof to...

Besides,do you really think Syria needs Iran arms to fight rebels?They have a powerful army that is ready to fight other powerful armies like Israel and Turkey in case of war.Fighting rebels doesn't need importing arms.Now tell me why is Turkey arming rebels and worsens the violence in Syria?By arming terrorists,nothing will change except more civilians die.

they don't have a powerfull army stop lying. if it was so powerfull why did it loose land to the inferiour Israeli army?

Turkey threatened with attacking Syria in 99 and assad backed down and said sorry, couldn't he just use his mighty army then?

as i said, Turkey is providing them communication equipment and medical supplies nothing more.

 

[Desert Fox]

i will focus on this.

look at the economical situation of Syria since the assad clan has been in power...

- socialist/communist policies who have failed

- several wars against Israel that has weakened their economy even more

- loosing land to Israel

- people like Syrian Christian and Syrian Lion moving to USA to get better economical situation etc...

what does this tell you? that people haven't seen a single bit of change for 40 years, while miss assad is shoping in Europe for thousands of Euros the average Syrian citizen struggles to get some few dollars a day.

you think people are happy about this?

and some fun facts that you might not know.

-Turkey is the biggest economical partner of Syria and Turkey was the only country who supported Syria to be more favoured in the west

- Russia only cares about Syria because of it's port, not because it values human life as seen several times (supporting Serbs, Supporting North-Korea, supporting several sick dictators in Africa)

i am talking politics now, forget the war that is going on, but who would want to have someone ruling them for 40 years and give them no economical change?

and on top of that loosing some land from your country to someone else, and going to war for no reason, occupying Lebanon for 25 years... where do you think that will lead the country to.

what we are seeing is a mini Soviet dissolving slowly... assad has done the same thing the stupid soviet dictators do. drain their country into an economical mess

You made a lot of valid points, however it all comes back to what Aryan_B stated, and that is that we must bring both sides to the negotiating table instead of pouring more fuel on the fire.

Yes, there will have to be compromises made on both sides, and the biggest goal for Turkey, KSA, and countries who sympathize with the rebels should be to get Russia and China on their side, for this you must ensure these two powers that their interests will not be at harmed with the removal of Assad, and that a neutral government decided by the Syrian people will assume power. Otherwise you can forget about overthrowing Assad's government from Syria.

 

[fd24]

Talking about personal insults... HEH... Do you know now why I don't give your posts any value?

You are selective when suggesting personal insults. I speak on behalf of sane members on the forum. To put pictures of innocent dead childeren is a disgraceful low life act - yet you selectively dont comment on this? It is indeed a shame that an experienced member feels to get his point over he has to disrespect the family of this little girl - shame on your selective mind. Stop being selective and realize for once pics of this nature are not to be put on a forum.

 

[silko]

You made a lot of valid points, however it all comes back to what Aryan_B stated, and that is that we must bring both sides to the negotiating table instead of pouring more fuel on the fire.

Yes, there will have to be compromises made on both sides, and the biggest goal for Turkey, KSA, and countries who sympathize with the rebels should be to get Russia and China on their side, for this you must ensure these two powers that their interests will not be at harmed with the removal of Assad, and that a neutral government decided by the Syrian people will assume power. Otherwise you can forget about overthrowing Assad's government from Syria.

i'll edit this and get back to you tomorrow, the mods opened it back. thank again...

 

[Arzamas 16]

better correct your info...

the northern parts of Syria is all pro-Turkey, you can clearly see it...

Turkey doesn't arm rebels with weapons. it has agreed together with USA to give them communication equipment and medical aid, NOTHING MORE!

get that into your head

other than that i don't see anything else than russia saying : 'cry' 'cry' please don't arm them please 'cry' 'cry'

Crying is all you Turks and West has done so far

we on the other end have armed Syria government with these babes.

P-800 Oniks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Because of these weapons now even the Pentagon won't risk intervention

Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, told the Senate last week — defense officials say they are concerned about four tough challenges: the risks in attacking Syria’s plentiful and sophisticated Russian-made air defenses

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/w...ky-pentagon-officials-say.html?pagewanted=all

 

[King Solomon]

It is so heart-wrenching to see some people wanting to supply arms to terrorists. They are supporting terrorist government of Bahrain and on the other hand they are supporting the terrorists of Syria. They have brutally suppressed Bahraini Revolution but they are actively sponsoring Syrian revolution.

Don't they see hypocrisy of their ways? Don't they have a brain?

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

You are selective when suggesting personal insults. I speak on behalf of sane members on the forum. To put pictures of innocent dead childeren is a disgraceful low life act - yet you selectively dont comment on this? It is indeed a shame that an experienced member feels to get his point over he has to disrespect the family of this little girl - shame on your selective mind. Stop being selective and realize for once pics of this nature are not to be put on a forum.

It must be posted, so everybody knows whats going on in Syria. Its a proof of the regimes unspeakable crimes. You may say shame on my selective mind and I say shame on you to not show solidarity with your brothers and sisters who are being slaughtered, raped and brutally tortured. Mostly, its the families themselves of those victims who film their relatives like this and demand to be published to expose the regimes cruelty. I respect PDF rules but I would help publishing them everywhere else. My point here is how could people know about regimes crimes if there weren't pics or videos recording them?

 

[silko]

Crying is all you Turks and West has done so far

it was Russia who cried when we bombed Serbs

it was Russia who cried when we implemented defense shield

it was Russia that cried when we accepted former east European countries to NATO

it is Russia who constantly threatens it's neighbours

it is Russia who shuts up and accepts sanctions against it's 'ally' Iran

it is Turkey who launched a operation against Cyprus

what has Russia done other than crying since it became a federation?

killed chechens and attacked Georgia?

and just so you know, no one is planning on attacking Syria.

we've seen how superior your air defence and missiles are... that's why assad clan lost land to Israel. that's why Egypt lost to Israel? because they had superior Soviet equipment.

you don't care about human life, that's what you are. Putin is desperate after some power... sooner or later assad WIL fall. he can't stay forever and then, you can kiss godbye to your port in Syria.

you can arm them as much as you want, but some regular soldiers can with some AK's and RPG's take out your magnificient bmp's and 40 year old rusty t-60's

heck, they even took out a MIG from an airfield, and SAM's to. way to go, arm them some more so they can be destroyed

 

[T-Rex]

It must be posted, so everybody knows whats going on in Syria. Its a proof of the regimes unspeakable crimes. You may say shame on my selective mind

Oh yes, you are very selective. People who are selective about human rights violations aren't really concerned about human rights. They are simply concerned about their own interests. Now, that is shameful behaviour.

 

[zzzz]

you don't care about human life, that's what you are. Putin is desperate after some power... sooner or later assad WIL fall. he can't stay forever and then, you can kiss godbye to your port in Syria.

Port this is not what matters (though getting naval base in Cyprus is a good idea )
what matters is that USA is moving toward its inevitable bankruptcy and when it will happen we will dance