Russian warns against arming Syrian opposition

[lem34]

i saw a video showing Iranian cars supplying weapons to Syria, i'll see if i can find it.

and it is proven that Syria and Iran has armed hezbollah. no one can deny that.

Mate the point is no one should supply arms to Syrians at the current state. Best would be let the Syrians resolve the matter without any interference

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Russia can bark day and night but they will eventually adhere to the strong side conditions as they did in similar situations many times, after all, barking is free. Free Syrian Army are instantly increasing in numbers every hour, and they are getting stronger and stronger. They captured many terrorist mercenaries from Iraq, Iran and South Lebanon who got their heads chopped off. Its over, anyone thinks Alassad regime will remain in power against Syrians will is a lunatic. FSA promised they will take revenge of HA after the topple of the terrorist regime. We will see...

 

[silko]

Mate the point is no one should supply arms to Syrians at the current state. Best would be let the Syrians resolve the matter without any interference

it won't... ever seen a dictator leave without a fight?

this dude will if god forbid stay in power any longer start torturing and mass killing people who doesn't want him. as has been proven several times... HAMA massacre for example. killing people who doesn't want him, killing children who doesn't want him etc...

the matter has already been interfeered thanks to Russians.

btw, here is the video i mentioned...

 

[lem34]

I have heard the argument about human rights and killings going on in Syria but quite frankly it is very difficult in the fog of civil war or any war to actually get to the truth of the matter.

Let me tell you why I Silko would be more than reluctant to support anyone in Syria

If it is a true revolution and even a significant minority wish to come out on the streets a country is ungovernable. Lets take the example of Pakistan. Our population is reputed to be 180 million people. If just 20% of the people decide that they want to come out on the streets that would be be 36 million. We have one of the largest standing armies in the world, we have our blessed ISI we have nukes. Even with these forces and nukes what could our army do??? Use nukes on our own people?? That would be the end. You will note it does not even require a majority to come on the streets. In practical terms the overwhelming number of people want to have security, a roof on their head and food on the table and could not give a monkey's who runs the country.

Now lets take the example of Libya-The rebels or whatever you want to call them could barely get out of Benghazi even though they were being funded and armed by third parties from outside the country. I am off the firm opinion in hindsight that Gaddaffi was less than wise because I think it is likely he would have done relatively well in any election and he should have attempted to legitamise his rule.

Had it not been for Nato's role in my opinion it is doubtful that the rebels could have succeeded.

Even after intervention we have a very unstable Libya wwith west stealing oil

Now lets look at UK and US in recent months we have had riots and civil disobedience. These disturbances have been dismissed as the actions of criminals and undesirables. If a foreign power was to lets say start supplying weapons and moral support these so called criminals and undesirables what could or would happen??

One mans rebel is another man's criminal and undesirable.

Who decides what the majority in a country wants in Syria?? Who decides that Assad is a dictator and must be removed whilst at the same time ignoring what is happening in Bahrain?? Who decides when to support dissident voices in a country. I mean every country has voices that don't agree with their government.

I could go on but you might get bored but you get the picture I hope.

The best we can do is pray for and hope is that the Syrian people themselves decide with as little bloodshed as possible a conclusion to the unrest.

Under these circumstances We must not take sides in Syria

 

[IbnAlwaled]

I have heard the argument about human rights and killings going on in Syria but quite frankly it is very difficult in the fog of civil war or any war to actually get to the truth of the matter.

Let me tell you why I Silko would be more than reluctant to support anyone in Syria

If it is a true revolution and even a significant minority wish to come out on the streets a country is ungovernable. Lets take the example of Pakistan. Our population is reputed to be 180 million people. If just 20% of the people decide that they want to come out on the streets that would be be 36 million. We have one of the largest standing armies in the world, we have our blessed ISI we have nukes. Even with these forces and nukes what could our army do??? Use nukes on our own people?? That would be the end. You will note it does not even require a majority to come on the streets. In practical terms the overwhelming number of people want to have security, a roof on their head and food on the table and could not give a monkey's who runs the country.

Now lets take the example of Libya-The rebels or whatever you want to call them could barely get out of Benghazi even though they were being funded and armed by third parties from outside the country. I am off the firm opinion in hindsight that Gaddaffi was less than wise because I think it is likely he would have done relatively well in any election and he should have attempted to legitamise his rule.

Had it not been for Nato's role in my opinion it is doubtful that the rebels could have succeeded.

Even after intervention we have a very unstable Libya wwith west stealing oil

Now lets look at UK and US in recent months we have had riots and civil disobedience. These disturbances have been dismissed as the actions of criminals and undesirables. If a foreign power was to lets say start supplying weapons and moral support these so called criminals and undesirables what could or would happen??

One mans rebel is another man's criminal and undesirable.

Who decides what the majority in a country wants in Syria?? Who decides that Assad is a dictator and must be removed whilst at the same time ignoring what is happening in Bahrain?? Who decides when to support dissident voices in a country. I mean every country has voices that don't agree with their government.

I could go on but you might get bored but you get the picture I hope.

The best we can do is pray for and hope is that the Syrian people themselves decide with as little bloodshed as possible a conclusion to the unrest.

Under these circumstances We must not take sides in Syria

What we call freedom fighters you might call terrorests, and what we call terrorists you might call freedom fighters.
It depends on your point of view and loyalty. The fact is that winners always write history.
Propaganda has a way of fogging the issues. If you think that today most Syrians want bashar and his psychopathic cult to remain in power there is nothing anyone can do to convince you otherwise. But again, no one wants to anyways. The Syrians are writing thier history Alone, while you guys call them terrorists/ CIA/Al-Qaida/Mossad/ Ninja Turtles.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

What we call freedom fighters you might call terrorests, and what we call terrorists you might call freedom fighters.
It depends on your point of view and loyalty. The fact is that winners always write history.
Propaganda has a way of fogging the issues. If you think that today most Syrians want bashar and his psychopathic cult to remain in power there is nothing anyone can do to convince you otherwise. But again, no one wants to anyways. The Syrians are writing thier history Alone, while you guys call them terrorists/ CIA/Al-Qaida/Mossad/ Ninja Turtles.

My brother, minorities everywhere are always afraid of change, but nothing can justify supporting a mass murderer though. Their fear is baseless since they have lived among us in peace for tens of decades. Nevertheless, the ones who involved in killing Syrians must pay back. Its normal, minorities support minorities every where and they don't take ethics into account here.

 

[lem34]

What we call freedom fighters you might call terrorests, and what we call terrorists you might call freedom fighters.
It depends on your point of view and loyalty. The fact is that winners always write history.
Propaganda has a way of fogging the issues. If you think that today most Syrians want bashar and his psychopathic cult to remain in power there is nothing anyone can do to convince you otherwise. But again, no one wants to anyways. The Syrians are writing thier history Alone, while you guys call them terrorists/ CIA/Al-Qaida/Mossad/ Ninja Turtles.

Respond to the points I have made don't go off topic and at a tangent. If what you said was correct as eloquently as my first submission you either failed to comprehend it or understand it he would be gone

He is entitled to his opinion ... I dont see him forcing you to believe his opinion or views ... So just shut the **** up and let us enjoy the freedom of speech ... and the best thing about his post was what you know " he wasn't justifying nothing " ... Comprehension problems much ?

I wish we had some one here to articulate the viewpoint these two assert and then we could have a half decent debate

 

[Serpentine]

Silko,don't try to fool yourself and all of us,Iran has been exporting arms to Syria since more than 10 years ago.Just like Russia and China.There is nothing new here.
Besides,do you really think Syria needs Iran arms to fight rebels?They have a powerful army that is ready to fight other powerful armies like Israel and Turkey in case of war.Fighting rebels doesn't need importing arms.Now tell me why is Turkey arming rebels and worsens the violence in Syria?By arming terrorists,nothing will change except more civilians die.

To all other Arabs here who 'pretend' to support Syrian people.
If you say Syrian people want to decide for their own destiny,why can't Bahraini people do the same?You ,suppress Bahrain revolution and at the same time talk about 'democracy' in Syria.
As long as terrorists fight with the government and cause violence and murder in the country,it's in every government's right to crush them.

 

[Mosamania]

Silko,don't try to fool yourself and all of us,Iran has been exporting arms to Syria since more than 10 years ago.Just like Russia and China.There is nothing new here.
Besides,do you really think Syria needs Iran arms to fight rebels?They have a powerful army that is ready to fight other powerful armies like Israel and Turkey in case of war.Fighting rebels doesn't need importing arms.Now tell me why is Turkey arming rebels and worsens the violence in Syria?By arming terrorists,nothing will change except more civilians die.

To all other Arabs here who suddenly came out of nowhere 'pretend' to support Syrian people.
If you say Syrian people want to decide for their own destiny,why can't Bahraini people do the same?You bloody hypocrites,suppressing Bahrain revolution and at the same time cry for 'democracy' in Syria which you don't even know what democracy is.
As long as terrorists fight with the government and cause violence and murder in the country,it's in every government's right to crush them.

I guess the old mood of PDF is coming back it seems... Out of respect for the peace thing we have going on I will refrain from replying to you.

 

[lem34]

I guess the old mood of PDF is coming back it seems... Out of respect for the peace thing we have going on I will refrain from replying to you.

Thank you for that Mossa but I must say those pro interference are getting a bit out of line. We should be able to disagree like brothers without going over red lines

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Silko,don't try to fool yourself and all of us,Iran has been exporting arms to Syria since more than 10 years ago.Just like Russia and China.There is nothing new here.
Besides,do you really think Syria needs Iran arms to fight rebels?They have a powerful army that is ready to fight other powerful armies like Israel and Turkey in case of war.Fighting rebels doesn't need importing arms.Now tell me why is Turkey arming rebels and worsens the violence in Syria?By arming terrorists,nothing will change except more civilians die.

To all other Arabs here who suddenly came out of nowhere 'pretend' to support Syrian people.
If you say Syrian people want to decide for their own destiny,why can't Bahraini people do the same?You bloody hypocrites,suppressing Bahrain revolution and at the same time cry for 'democracy' in Syria which you don't even know what democracy is.
As long as terrorists fight with the government and cause violence and murder in the country,it's in every government's right to crush them.
So please cut the crap and don't show your true faces more than this..

You can open a new thread about Bahrain "revolution" and I would be happy to show you hundreds of pics and videos that prove protesters truly "peaceful" demonstrations. 35 protesters got killed most of them by Gas inhalation vs 10000+ killed Syrians by artillery shelling and torture. As well as 50000 either hijacked or brutally tortured or imprisoned. Bahraini police use rubber bullets, water and gas to disperse protesters while Syrian army use fatal bullets, tanks, jets, artillery to kill protesters. Nice comparison indeed...

 

[Serpentine]

Mosa you are denying my right to say what i think is true?
Did i insult anyone here?

 

[lem34]

Mosa you are denying my right to say what i think is true?
Did i insult anyone here?

Mossa he is right. compare what he did to what the other two who started insulting me and started to personally attack me

You can open a new thread about Bahrain "revolution" and I would be happy to show you hundreds of pics and videos that prove protesters truly "peaceful" demonstrations. 35 protesters got killed most of them by Gas inhalation vs 10000+ killed Syrians by artillery shelling and torture. As well as 50000 either hijacked or brutally tortured or imprisoned. Bahraini police use rubber bullets, water and gas to disperse protesters while Syrian army use fatal bullets, tanks, jets, artillery to kill protesters. Nice comparison indeed...

Why dont you simply address the matters I put to you?? as follows:
I have heard the argument about human rights and killings going on in Syria but quite frankly it is very difficult in the fog of civil war or any war to actually get to the truth of the matter.

Let me tell you why I Silko would be more than reluctant to support anyone in Syria

If it is a true revolution and even a significant minority wish to come out on the streets a country is ungovernable. Lets take the example of Pakistan. Our population is reputed to be 180 million people. If just 20% of the people decide that they want to come out on the streets that would be be 36 million. We have one of the largest standing armies in the world, we have our blessed ISI we have nukes. Even with these forces and nukes what could our army do??? Use nukes on our own people?? That would be the end. You will note it does not even require a majority to come on the streets. In practical terms the overwhelming number of people want to have security, a roof on their head and food on the table and could not give a monkey's who runs the country.

Now lets take the example of Libya-The rebels or whatever you want to call them could barely get out of Benghazi even though they were being funded and armed by third parties from outside the country. I am off the firm opinion in hindsight that Gaddaffi was less than wise because I think it is likely he would have done relatively well in any election and he should have attempted to legitamise his rule.

Had it not been for Nato's role in my opinion it is doubtful that the rebels could have succeeded.

Even after intervention we have a very unstable Libya wwith west stealing oil

Now lets look at UK and US in recent months we have had riots and civil disobedience. These disturbances have been dismissed as the actions of criminals and undesirables. If a foreign power was to lets say start supplying weapons and moral support these so called criminals and undesirables what could or would happen??

One mans rebel is another man's criminal and undesirable.

Who decides what the majority in a country wants in Syria?? Who decides that Assad is a dictator and must be removed whilst at the same time ignoring what is happening in Bahrain?? Who decides when to support dissident voices in a country. I mean every country has voices that don't agree with their government.

I could go on but you might get bored but you get the picture I hope.

The best we can do is pray for and hope is that the Syrian people themselves decide with as little bloodshed as possible a conclusion to the unrest.

Under these circumstances We must not take sides in Syria

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Mossa he is right. compare what he did to what the other two who started insulting me and started to personally attack me



Why dont you simply address the matters I put to you?? as follows:
I have heard the argument about human rights and killings going on in Syria but quite frankly it is very difficult in the fog of civil war or any war to actually get to the truth of the matter.

Let me tell you why I Silko would be more than reluctant to support anyone in Syria

If it is a true revolution and even a significant minority wish to come out on the streets a country is ungovernable. Lets take the example of Pakistan. Our population is reputed to be 180 million people. If just 20% of the people decide that they want to come out on the streets that would be be 36 million. We have one of the largest standing armies in the world, we have our blessed ISI we have nukes. Even with these forces and nukes what could our army do??? Use nukes on our own people?? That would be the end. You will note it does not even require a majority to come on the streets. In practical terms the overwhelming number of people want to have security, a roof on their head and food on the table and could not give a monkey's who runs the country.

Now lets take the example of Libya-The rebels or whatever you want to call them could barely get out of Benghazi even though they were being funded and armed by third parties from outside the country. I am off the firm opinion in hindsight that Gaddaffi was less than wise because I think it is likely he would have done relatively well in any election and he should have attempted to legitamise his rule.

Had it not been for Nato's role in my opinion it is doubtful that the rebels could have succeeded.

Even after intervention we have a very unstable Libya wwith west stealing oil

Now lets look at UK and US in recent months we have had riots and civil disobedience. These disturbances have been dismissed as the actions of criminals and undesirables. If a foreign power was to lets say start supplying weapons and moral support these so called criminals and undesirables what could or would happen??

One mans rebel is another man's criminal and undesirable.

Who decides what the majority in a country wants in Syria?? Who decides that Assad is a dictator and must be removed whilst at the same time ignoring what is happening in Bahrain?? Who decides when to support dissident voices in a country. I mean every country has voices that don't agree with their government.

I could go on but you might get bored but you get the picture I hope.

The best we can do is pray for and hope is that the Syrian people themselves decide with as little bloodshed as possible a conclusion to the unrest.

Under these circumstances We must not take sides in Syria

Just plz don't post statements like "I am reluctant to support sth coz...", its simply silly. I didn't bother reading the rest of your post because of that. I have the right to reply or not to any post.

 

[Mosamania]

Mosa you are denying my right to say what i think is true?
Did i insult anyone here?

As BlackEagle pointed out. You can not even BEGIN to compare Bahrain to Syria. One is using rubber bullets and other is using Artillery shells. One where majority of people died by Inhalation of Gas. The other with Tank shells and Army snipers. Comparing them is the highest form of Hypocrisy on itself.

King of Bahrain ordered a full investigation from independent source which was very critical. He sacked the Police chief and put him in prison along with all Security personnel involved in such things. Syria:.... They are killing more and more everyday innocent people children women elderly nothing is spared. And yes I am sure this:

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Is a terrorist in your books right??