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The big items in Washington's $40 billion Ukraine aid package
The U.S. Senate passed a bill on Thursday that would provide some $40 billion in additional military, economic and humanitarian aid to Ukraine following Russia's invasion as the Biden administration predicts a prolonged conflict.
6 billions for article purchase for Ukraine. 8.7 billions for replacement US article (which mean US will give those article to Ukraine and re-buy it for themselves) and then 4 billions FMS funding, 4 billions for humanitarian assistance and 9 billions for economic assistance. Couple with a few hundred millions for diplomacy and embassy related funding, that make up the 40 billions Ukrainian aid bill
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Russian losses now over 3,900.
4,000 approaching
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Nope, they're not indigenous, Arabs are not even indigenous in the Levant, Ashkenazims are a minority in Israel, more than 50% are Mizrahi whose ancestors never left the region, then there are N-African Jews, the Sepharads.
In case you wouldn't knew, after WW2, there were very few European Jews left to move there, your favourite Austrian corporal had created funny holidays camps for them, and they never left these places...
And I'd prefer sticking to the subject than counting the...
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Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese, study finds
If a common heritage conferred peace, then perhaps the long history of conflict in the Middle East would have been resolved years ago. For, according to a new scientific study, Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, and they all share a common genetic lineage that...
www.sciencedaily.com
There you go
There are many other research who show same results. Palestinians and indiginous jews are genetically same. Not suprising considering they inhabit the same land since millennia. You dont even have to do genetic research, just look at their physical appearence lol.
You have been spreading some serious bullcrab with those ridiculous posts. Some of them are straight out crackpot-level. Now spreading disinformation and straight out lies about Palestinians too.
Of course not all jews like to hear the truth, especialy not Ashkenazie:
Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians | World news | The Guardian
A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a leading journal.
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You obviously do not know anything about the modern history of Palestine.
Jews started immigrating to the area in the nineteenth century, and purchased land from rich Arabs to create farms. Some locals did not like the immigrants, we call such people ”racists” here, started attacking the new farms.
There were such shootings as early as 1888.
They locals also complained to the Ottomans who found the complaint without merit. The Jews farmed land and paid their taxes. The Ottomans had no problems with such people.
List of killings and massacres in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia
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Bayraktar TB2s have struck the Russian targets under the protection of S-400 in Ukraine. S-400 radar systems can't detect a TB2 for its slow and low physical movement is perfectly matched with its EW envelop associated traveling EM waves. Not to mention the highly effective sensor fusion supporting the optimized on-the-fly real-time computational capability including signal/image processing, finite element analysis, AI, deep learning etc....
All the vodka and tobacco in Europe can't help the Russian physicists and mathematicians...
All the vodka and tobacco in Europe can't help the Russian physicists and mathematicians...
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Putler wanted to break NATO, now it's CSO that is falling apart
Except Isengard (Belarus), no CSO countries backed the invasion at the UNGA vote.
My 2 cents Armenia may seek closer links with the west soon : I don't think they liked Putin's idling in the 2020 conflict with Azeris...
If Kazakhstan gets out of Russian orbit, it would be devastating for Russian space industry!
India is pulling out of Russosphere!! They're done with Russian weaponry scams! I let you imagine the face of their infantry personnel watching turret-throwing contests in Ukraine! Even if it's not generalized, they're starting to get that Putin's kleptocracy is not the Soviet Union, that despite implying in BRICS, SCO, uncle-Xi goes on with backing commie terrorists in India while attacking jawans at the border...
Now look at India's arms inventory : even if there are still purchases as they're still highly dependant on Russian equipment, they enhance it with western systems, they're #1 client to Russia, but to Israel too, we (EU, especially France) and Brits have a huge market share, and the Yanks entered the market and weight about 15% now!!! India even got a waiver on S-400 while Turkey is NATO [at least on paper: ErdoGollum is getting on everybody's nerves for a while] got sanctioned!
When it comes to China, remember that they abstained at the UNGA votes... In fact, with the total war Putler is doing in Ukraine, a real backing is unlikely : it's DEFINITIVELY NOT their interest to support... Moreover, even if they can get cheap oil/gas from it, China, and even Mongolia, have large shale oil basins, and over $50 the Brent barrel, fracking is profitable... So, if Putin wants to sell oil or gas, it'll be far under the market price!!! Then, You can always win a bet on one thing: China prefers money to politics, and the volume of trade with Russia is insignificant compared to the trade with USA and EU which is what made China becoming rich, as well as it has also already induced huge growth in India or Indonesia, even if it's more recent...
The more likely is that PRC may manage this just like with some other pariah states, e.g. North Korea, which, BTW, could easily change its status : it wouldn't take more than US/EU recognising its nuclear status and getting that its greatly US fault if they're a bit paranoid, Frankly, what MacArthur did there deserved a Nuremberg-styled trial, but well, few of us were here when it happened and it'd certainly be feasible to get over it now... After Trump engaged the dialogue for the 1st time ever, IMHO, there might be something workable to do, it may take time (probably 2-3 decades) but a kind of Korean federal state would be feasible rather fast, then going into a full merge. It would even be funny if they considered a kind of Brit-like monarchy where KJU family would get a kind of historical special status as a reward for helping reunification, moreover, the NoKo aesthetics would surely sell for tourism, the fact pot is legal too
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You obviously do not know anything about the modern history of Palestine.
Jews started immigrating to the area in the nineteenth century, and purchased land from rich Arabs to create farms. Some locals did not like the immigrants, we call such people ”racists” here, started attacking the new farms.
They locals also complained to the Ottomans who found the complaint without merit. The Jews farmed land and paid their taxes. The Ottomans had no problems with such people.
List of killings and massacres in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Lol
You obviously twist and bend eveything in favour of colonialist askenazie jews. Yes jews began migrating there in the 19-th century. Zionist Jews also consider then Rodesia for a setting up a jewish country but decided to go for the area of present day Israel, because THERE WAS ALREADY MANY JEWS LIVING THERE.
Some Palestinians disliked the newcomers, some sold land foe money to the newcomers. But none of them could ever inagine in the wildelst dream that their people and descendants would be occupied and force evicted from their own land a few generation later.
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Ukraine is totally winning this war, bro.
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Modern Israel became a reality in 1947 by virtue of the United Nations Resolution 181 (approved by 33 member states). Episodes of violence at the time were due to political effects of partition and relocations.
Partition violence was much worse in the subcontinent in fact.
The 1st Arab - Israel War was fought in 1948, and Israel gained more lands due to this war.
This war was a bad decision (Arab miscalculation), and changed the political calculus and environment of the region.
The 2nd Arab - Israel War was fought in 1967, and Israel gained even more lands due to this war.
Israel became bold and began to encroach on foreign lands since 1980. Religious fundamentalism had taken roots in the region by now. The encroachment was definitely wrong.
But things should move forward from here. OIC should contemplate one state solution now. It should be pitched to Palestinians.
Israel-Palestine: Can a one-state solution work?
Poll finds a third of Palestinians support the idea.
Al-Aqsa Masjid should be declared an 'international heritage site' in connection with one state solution.
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It is important to respect internationally recognized borders of (any) country.
Linking Ukraine to Palestine will solve nothing. It is not good and helpful to do politics over misery of others in my humble view.
Muslims should never condone and support unfair acts of aggression/oppression around the world. WE are answerable to Allah Almighty in the end.
Peaceful merger or expansion of a country is another thing.
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In fact, they bought from rich Turks, and most of the land belonged to the Ottoman empire, moreover, they also bought a lot of land in what later became Jordan where, yup, there was an Arab majority. Actually, Brits cheated everybody as they promised Syria to the Bani Hashem which was then ruling Hejaz (Mecca kingdom) but in //, they did the Sykes/Picot agreement with us, so, we ended with the Syria/Lebanon mandate, and, to compensate the Hashemites, the Brits did cut 77% of the mandate and gave "Arab Palestine" to them.You obviously do not know anything about the modern history of Palestine.
Jews started immigrating to the area in the nineteenth century, and purchased land from rich Arabs to create farms. Some locals did not like the immigrants, we call such people ”racists” here, started attacking the new farms.
They locals also complained to the Ottomans who found the complaint without merit. The Jews farmed land and paid their taxes. The Ottomans had no problems with such people.
List of killings and massacres in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia
In the "Israel" of 1918 the Brits took from the Turks at the battle of [Har]Megiddo (sounds familiar?), they did a census, there were less than 15,000 Arabs over a population of about 100k, half of them not even born there.In fact, even under Roman, then Arab occupation, there has always been a Jewish majority here. And, in 1918, despite settlers who had already brought improvements with western agriculture advances, it still was an absolute shithole, as Mark Twain related when he visited the Holy Land around 1867.
Prior to the mandate, the most of the attacks on settlers were orchestra by the Egyptian al-Husseini family the Turks had appointed as "wallis" of Jerusalem :
They were selling public lands to the settlers then went to Beirut and hired hitmen to kill them, then, as they ruled the willayat, well, they sold these lands again and again and again... These made them the richest and most powerful family around.
They definitively lost this status when the Brits came, but, you know how the Brit ministry of colonies liked to put local dignitaries with some important charges to give a feel of autonomy, at the same time, the ministry liked to raise ethnic tensions in a divide'n'conquer pattern : they pushed Arabs against the Jews, Jews against the Arabs and all the moderate people relied on Brit police for protection!!!
So, the Brits appointed Amin al-Husseini as grand mufti of Jerusalem then all hell let loose !!!
What followed on was this:
Nazi-Jihad is the most jaw dropping documentary about terrorism I ever saw.
Now, ya all, it's interesting, and for sure, I like to discuss the subject as well as debunk the insane propaganda that sticks to this, but please, you all :
Can't we stick to Ukraine here????I'd like to stop these digressions here!
Modern Israel became a reality in 1947 by virtue of the United Nations Resolution 181 (approved by 33 member states). Episodes of violence at the time were due to political effects of partition and relocations.
Partition violence was much worse in the subcontinent in fact.
The 1st Arab - Israel War was fought in 1948, and Israel gained more lands due to this war.
This war was a bad decision (Arab miscalculation), and changed the political calculus and environment of the region.
The 2nd Arab - Israel War was fought in 1967, and Israel gained even more lands due to this war.
Israel became bold and began to encroach on foreign lands since 1980. Religious fundamentalism had taken roots in the region by now. The encroachment was definitely wrong.
But things should move forward from here. OIC should contemplate one state solution now. It should be pitched to Palestinians.
Israel-Palestine: Can a one-state solution work?
Poll finds a third of Palestinians support the idea.www.aljazeera.com
Al-Aqsa Masjid should be declared an 'international heritage site' in connection with one state solution.
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It is important to respect internationally recognized borders of (any) country.
Linking Ukraine to Palestine will solve nothing. It is not good and helpful to do politics over misery of others in my humble view.
Muslims should never condone and support unfair acts of aggression/oppression around the world. WE are answerable to Allah Almighty in the end.
Peaceful merger or expansion of a country is another thing.
Palestinians should drop arms and join the Israeli state and give up this useless fighting. They are losing ground on a daily basis along with unnecessary loss of life with no gain. The Arabs practically abandoned them. Some even consider the Palestinians an undue burden. The Palestinians could have just outbreed the Jews and change the demographics in the next 50-100 years.
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