Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[Oldman1]

Sure, blame the country being invaded for being invaded. What if Ukraine moving away from Russia, does that somehow justify Russian invasion??

Threat? What Threat? If a country sovereignty is a threat to another country, then the sole existence of that country itself is a threat, are you telling me Ukraine have no right to exist and exercise their own sovereignty decision on who they trade with and who they align with? Ukraine was NOT part of Russia, and that is for a good reason. You don't invade a country because they are trying to join an alliance so they were not to be invaded.

This is why there was a Ukrainian revolt back in 2014. Nothing to do with CIA, didn't even need that much push.

 

[RescueRanger]

US Spy chiefs defend Russia-Ukraine intelligence, say China is even tougher to assess​

• Speaking to US lawmakers, intelligence leaders also express concern about Beijing’s rapid nuclear weapons build-up
• The officials say they did not think Beijing will take advantage of the global distraction over the Ukraine war to invade Taiwan, or is in a rush

China is playing the field very well. The west have a habit of underestimating China.

 

[monitor]

 

[Oldman1]

Not a good analogy I`m afraid.
Most bank robbers want to get in and out very quickly,the last thing that they want is to end up in a pitched gun battle with the police,by comparison the guys in north hollywood waited around for the police to show up and were carrying a literal arsenal of weapons in the boot of the getaway vehicle,indeed the whole point seemed to be a massive "nobody gets out alive" type shootout with the cops,which is what they got.
Interestingly when the police searched the offenders home after the event they found a considerable stash of cash from previous robberies,so these jokers clearly didnt do it for the money.
Ultimately offenders of this type are the [thankfully] extremely rare exception,not the norm,and frankly I dont think officer johnny is going to be any better equipped to deal with these types of offenders even if hes given a machinegun and a whole sh!tload of paramilitary "tacticool" type gear to go with it.

LOL! These days the police department has to catch up with the times when criminals are more heavily armed than cops of the 60s to 80s with revolvers only. Not to mention the advantage of taking on criminals from long range. You can deal with psychos with nothing to live for with heavily armed weaponry or criminals who want to be just as heavily armed criminals.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Boris Johnson has a fight on his hands back in the UK with the party hate drama and a failing economy, rising inflation and rising poverty the likes not seen since the 1970’s.

Reminds me of this scene from a very famous British comedy television show:

What was originally a liimited Special Military Operation by Kremlin to denazify the Donbass, etc has now been changed.

This probably in response to action by The US, UK and NATO in Ukraine.

Kremlin has now decided to stay on a long protracted war in Ukraine. Unlike Afghanistan, it will be AZOV neo-NAZI Ukrainian fighting the East Ukrainian with them Russian in encirclement, artilleries and air support and peacekeepers after that.

In view of the threats by NATO Russia will turned Ukraine into a landlocked state with all the new independent Republics protected by Russia.

They have now uncovered evidence of a plan by US and NATO to occupy Crimea militarily and locked the Russia out from the Black Sea.

 

[RescueRanger]

What was originally a liimited Special Military Operation by Kremlin to denazify the Donbass, etc has now been changed.

This probably in response to action by The US, UK and NATO in Ukraine.

Kremlin has now decided to stay on a long protracted war in Ukraine. Unlike Afghanistan, it will AZOV neo-NAZI Ukrainian fighting East Ukrainian.

In view of the threats by NATO Russia will turned Ukraine into a landlocked state with all the new independent Republics protected by Russia.

They have now uncovered evidence of a plan by US and NATO to occupy Crimea militarily and locked the Russia out from the Black Sea.

And that has been the fear of anyone with a sane brain- this conflict will become a protracted quagmire for Europe and Russia and will have a serious impact on global security.

Just look at the markets, fuel, energy and food costs globally- never mind poor countries.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

If it was their Muslim faith that governed why they did that then why didnt previous Muslim dynaties do the same? So their ethnicity has to be called into question, as opposed to just their faitth. Furthermore, they were at war with Byzantium, therefore nobody can expect favourable treatment until treaties are signed. Basic stuff. The Crusades happened when Alexios I begged the Latin Church to send their military to help fight, otherwise the western church never made pilgrimage to the Holy Land, as it was all about the Vatican, and would never have made the journey. Again basic stuff. However, none of that justifies the Crusades.

It is known that Christians has made pilgrim voyages to Jerusalem since 326 CE, starting with the mother of Constantine.

Pilgrimage in the Byzantine Empire

Pilgrimage in the Byzantine Empire involved the Christian faithful travelling often huge distances to visit such holy sites as Jerusalem or to see in person relics of holy figures and miraculous icons...

www.worldhistory.org

The Seljuks banned *Christian* pilgrims from Jerusalem. not *Byzantine* pilgrims.
The Fatimid Muslim dynasty did the same under Al-Hakim 50 years earlier.
Later rulers of the Fatimid Empire removed the ban.
Christians were always treated as second class citizens by Islam.

Even today, helping an ally under attack is considered a valid cause for war.

Yes they do demonise Russian athletes because they arent even allowed to complete as independent and the censorship has gone beyond Putin and gone into Russian culture, which is inherently fascist and racist. Sooner you accept this the less delusional you will appear.

No Russian athlete are personally blamed for the war, unless they explicitly support Putins war.
This is not about race, this is about allegiance. The West is accepting Russian refugees which do not accept Putins misrule.

Human rights is not a western construct and the west themselves have contributed a lot to its degradation, only to then regret what they had done and virtue signal some human rights bills or laws into existance (which are seldomly used when it doesn't fit their national interest).

Human rights have predominately been driven by the West, but not neccessarily by their governments.

Yes Muslim slaves lived better than Western freemen, cloathed and fed as per sharia law. Western slaves were systematically raped, tortured and killed, which would amount to capital punishment according to sharia law. Comparing berber pirates to the main body of Muslims would be like me comparing Ku Klux Klan to western civilisation, you'd be the first to cry foul if anyone did that.

It was the West that stopped legal slavery, primarily the British

Muslims conducted slavery during a time when slavery was the norm, to complain about that shows hypocrisy and fallacy of presentism. No Muslim nation has slaves any more so it's a moot point.

It still exist but is now called Human Trafficking.

Human trafficking in the Middle East - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Regarding the Muslim retaliation to the countless massacres by Crusaders, then that is justified. We believe in eye for an eye so the Muslims had to teach the blood thirsty Latin crusaders that their massacres will eventually catch up with them. Those who were killed at Hattin were the combatant captives, not the Christian populations. The Crusaders would massacre entire towns of people, men women and children. How dare you compare the two! Muslims and the west are chalk and cheese when it comes to spilling blood im afraid, the West as expected excels in that too!

I get your point.
Christian Massacres are not justified.
Muslim Massacres are always justified.

 

[kingQamaR]

What was originally a liimited Special Military Operation by Kremlin to denazify the Donbass, etc has now been changed.

This probably in response to action by The US, UK and NATO in Ukraine.

Kremlin has now decided to stay on a long protracted war in Ukraine. Unlike Afghanistan, it will AZOV neo-NAZI Ukrainian fighting East Ukrainian.

In view of the threats by NATO Russia will turned Ukraine into a landlocked state with all the new independent Republics protected by Russia.

They have now uncovered evidence of a plan by US and NATO to occupy Crimea militarily and locked the Russia out from the Black Sea.

Putin doesn't have an exit strategy does he? If he succeeds he will need a huge army of occupation to keep Ukraineo subdued and Russia will suffer sanctions for decades. If he loses he will lose status, prestige and quite probably his life. So what the hell is he going to do

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Yes, like i said after Ukraine became anti-russian.
Throwing out an elected government through paid nationalist elements, who then systematically began anti-Russian policies against eastern Ukrainian. A part of Ukraine that was/is overwhenmingly pro-Russian and has Russian majority provinces, that voted for the government that was removed from power by foreign interference.

Ukraine did not "throw out an elected government".
The Ukrainan president Yanukovich signed an agreement with Russia (possibly after bribing)
when the Ukrainan government was in final stages of an agreement with the EU.
When Ukraine started preparing an impeachment against the President, he escaped to Russia, stealing 30 billion dollars in the process.
Since he was unable to perform his duty Ukraine selected an acting president.
The Ukrainan Constitution allows for an acting President when the President is unable to perform his/her duty due to medical conditions. The situation where the President was refusing to do his/her duty was not foreseen. This ambiguous situation lasted for a year, until the next planned Presidential election happened.
Yanukovich formally was president until the end of his term, but would have been impeached.
He was later tried in absentio and convicted as a traitor.

Even before Yanukovich left, the operation to annex Crimea had started.
The Donbass rebellion was started within days of Yanukovich leaving and all the leaders were Russian citizens with support by the Russian Army disguised as volunteers.
Russia officially invaded 4 months later in August 2014.

The foreign interference was present, and mostly Russian.

 

[RescueRanger]

and quite probably his life.

He's already dying - an oncologist friend of mine said he's exhibiting sings of chemo therapy. Remember - wounded animals are the most dangerous.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Complete drivel....Ukraine is the same situation with Russia its part of their strategic objectives to stop Ukraine from getting closer to NATO, Iraq was US way of getting rid of Saddam to make a government more friendly with them. Atleast be consistent, this is issue with Russia cry wolfers.

The US way of getting rid of Saddam was a way to get rid of an awful dictator.
The current Iraqi government is mostly friendly with Iran, which is to be expected from a predominantly Shia population. The US is not going to war against this government. It is providing support against Sunni Islamists.

 

[RescueRanger]

New report from Human Rights Watch claims both Russia and Ukraine have used indiscriminate cluster munitions in the conflict:

Intense and Lasting Harm

The 20-page report, “Intense and Lasting Harm: Cluster Munition Attacks in Ukraine,” details how Russian armed forces have used at least six types of cluster munitions in the international armed conflict in Ukraine.

www.hrw.org

Another source:

Ukraine war: Finland expected to announce NATO bid - as both sides in Ukraine conflict are accused of using cluster bombs

Reports are also surfacing of more pushback of Russian forces in a Ukrainian counterattack that could signal a shift in the momentum of the war.

news.sky.com

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Also looks like there are rumors that Russia is moving BTG's to areas near Kyiv from Donbass. Although I don't buy this because Russia's aim has been to capture that belt of the country and solidify their grasp there - pushing on Kyiv now will just end up in further embarrassment for Putin.

 

[jhungary]

This is why there was a Ukrainian revolt back in 2014. Nothing to do with CIA, didn't even need that much push.

lol, I was at that Palace just a few weeks ago, man that was some place. That place now a corruption memorial, you can literally go in and see how lavish Yanukovych lived before he took 2 billions of Ukraine money and left.

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You know that if Putin really does that he will get pee in his face, or what we said "Golden Shower"

 

[Menthol]

This is why there was a Ukrainian revolt back in 2014. Nothing to do with CIA, didn't even need that much push.

Maybe yes and maybe no.

To revolt, you can use anything to create dissatisfaction among people.

Because of the golden palace, corruption, even a small thing like electricity bill.

No country is perfect, even in USA and Europe.

With the right attempt, you can raise people's dissatisfaction to rebel.

And justify it as legit.

 

[jhungary]

Welcome back! Hope you have a story to tell for us.

Thanks

lol, had a talk with some TDF guy when I was outside Bucha, there were a tank graveyard where there are all those Russian tank that got destroyed was tow there waiting to be dispose. The guy in charge of that operation joke that they can build an empire state building from the Steel recycle from those wreck.......

I was there training one of their TDF rotation. And I also teaches some UA guys a trick or two about Military Intelligence.