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The thing is the people who are fighting them see it differently. And that is the one that count. You can unilaterally think whatever you want, but if you blindly think that due to your own illusion, than you are taking an objectivity out of your combat objective.

Just because I think the People of Iraq is friendly, that DOES NOT EQUAL to they are friendly. And if you planned accordingly, that is your fault for not seeing the ground situation as is.

In short, if the people now fighting them are "Their" people the casualty of Russia will not be that high, and who's fault is it? Are you going to blame the hostile people being hostile?
They consider the people in power in Ukraine to be anti Russian and infiltrated with neo Nazi, like the Azov regiment. So Russia consider them the enemy and themselves as liberators. Russians are perhaps more humane then they are portrayed in the west.
 
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Russia trying hard to border itself with NATO countries... If they somehow manage to conquer Ukraine completely.
 
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It is safe to assume that SU-57 is inferior to f16s rafale, f35, typhoon, j10, j20 etc etc... It couldn't eliminate MIGs and SU-24s
 
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They consider the people in power in Ukraine to be anti Russian and infiltrated with neo Nazi, like the Azov regiment. So Russia consider them the enemy and themselves as liberators. Russians are perhaps more humane then they are portrayed in the west.

First of all, you are accusing a Jewish person (Zelenskyy) who have relative who died in the holocaust as a neo-nazi, just let that sink in for a moment.

Second. ALL available intel show that Ukrainian will fight and HAD ALREADY FOUGHT in the frontline of Eastern Ukraine for the last 8 years, and you still think there is a "Chance" they may surrender, that's stupid and absurd.

And finally, again, you expect something does not mean it will happen, and if you involve that calculation into your capability to raise war, THAT WAS YOUR OWN MISTAKE. You are STARTING A WAR WITH AN INVASION, exactly how humane can that be? Let's kill people humanely? Exactly how do you invade someone else country "Humanely"?
 
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Wait? Did not all 13 Ukraine soldiers die?
Not one died, they all surrendered and are enjoying Russian hospitality. It appears that the western propaganda machine has hired all aspiring Baghdad Bob's . MSM lies are reaching comical propensity.
Putin always knew who his enemies were from the get go. It is the western leftists and they are the dominant element across the west whereas the far-right is marginalized political entity. The concept of the leftists aka progressives and Putin don't match and notice Putin is not a far-right or left his more central but his old-school fashion and looks for values whereas the left and progressives don't have values but basically gone full LGBT etc etc in that sense they are filth but they are much more humane in some other aspects
Putin is a cold war era realist and has a good grasp of REALPOLITIK and will push on with the Ukraine campaign until Russian objectives are met. The Kremlin just confirmed the long term outlook. The hammer is about to fall on Kiev. The days of soft war are coming to an end.

Russia vows to continue attack until its objectives are met​

By Rachel Clun​

Russia will continue its military operation in Ukraine until it achieves its goals, Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said, the Interfax news agency reported on Tuesday.
Shoigu said Moscow’s main goal was protecting itself from threats created by the West and said Russia was not occupying Ukraine’s territory.

 
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Russia is neither the enemy of Pakistan nor any other countries with similar geopolitical realities. This does not mean that we will be under the control of Russia. We should try to maintain relations based on fair and mutual interests and resisting the imposition of the Atlantic pact is the right policy here.
Well said.
 
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We will see what will happen in the next 2-3 weeks, but for European countries they are quite determined to pose the sanction, despite trade in energy commodities and agricultural products still have way to dodge the sanction like Germany I believe will keep buying Russian gas, something that is unaviodable

Indonesia position is condeming Russian invasion but we dont do sanction, part of it I believe due to cooperation between Indonesia and Russia and business deal between two countries that still going on which involve both SOE companies.

Other reason we dont do sanction is because US and Western countries dont sanction Israel despite Israel invade Palestine
You can't senction anyone but get senctioned from doing trade with west...
 
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Indonesia and Russia I believe will continue the cooperation to each other despite the sanction, our trade is not large but we have Russian company drilling oil and gas in Indonesia.
It would be difficult once Russia is sanctioned I mean US didnt hesitate going nuclear against Huawei so I dont know
That being said mixing of politics and trade will have repercussions in coming years
 
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It would be difficult once Russia is sanctioned I mean US didnt hesitate going nuclear against Huawei so I dont know
That being said mixing of politics and trade will have repercussions in coming years
trade with us or trade with them... it is that simple... And he knows very clearly, he can't be on losing side even if wants to.
 
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In past few days the western propaganda and their supporters portrayed a picture of Ukraine as Afghanistan on steroids. They were writing off russians as losers and total failure, as if in few days the Americans did any good in iraq or Afghanistan. This shows the west and their chamchas have one strong point and that is they lie professionally and can even fool experts. Here they also created a fake picture of Ukraine on verge of victory lolz, i could only laugh. But now as time goes by, their propaganda is being exposed and reality is getting evident.
I dont support any side clearly but here we try to find the truth and address the reality. Seems most of the western tools here have disappeared or gone mute. In near future we will see how everything becomes evident.
 
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trade with us or trade with them... it is that simple... And he knows very clearly, he can't be on losing side even if wants to.
I think only China has the ability to defy sanctions by US
 
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"Dalit" literally means Oppressed. But if you do not empathize with the oppressed and instead participate in their oppression by covert or overt means ( like slurs ) what kind of Muslim are you ? Me hopping off my Shetland pony is immaterial here.

"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine".
- Che Guevara.

So another chap riding on a Shetland pony ? :)
OK you have said much but the one question

What should a dalat be called yiu didnt answer?
Why didn't you answer this? If you are such a champion of the oppressed why r u not standing up for muslims oppressed in Palestine by nazis aka Israelis. Or Kashmir by the saffron gandoos

I bet you won't answer. Because those that live in fairy lands seldom address real world problems

Besides educate your Hindus in India who's word its it. Your casts your problem...personally cast system is disgusting and so are fascists
 
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Here are the EXTERNAL outcomes from what Poutine did...All in one week...
  1. Remind NATO of its original raison d'etre
  2. Got NATO to reorganize its forces
  3. Got NATO to rethink its budget
  4. Pushed neutral Finland and Sweden towards NATO
  5. Ruined Russian civil aviation
  6. Further ruined Russian economy
  7. Degrade Russia global image
  8. Revealed flaws and ineffectiveness of the Russian military
Granted, maybe item 8 is debatable because it may came from Poutine's originally restrained battle plans. But if that is true, then Poutine should have stayed a spy and left warfighting to the generals.

By sheer numerical superiority, Russia will take Ukraine. But Russia needs Ukraine and by 'needs', I mean Ukraine must be as functional a country as soon as possible in order to act as a geopolitical buffer. In this, there is little difference between Iraq and Afghanistan because the US needed both countries to be as functional as soon as possible under US guidance for Afghanistan not becoming a terrorist haven and Iraq not becoming a predatory state. Whether the US succeeded or not, there are plenty of existing discussions already so I will not get into those subjects here. Back in 1991, Desert Storm ground war lasted from Feb 24 to 28. On the 28th, the US declared a cease fire. Prior to the cease fire, Desert Storm air campaign lasted 30 days before the ground war. We do not see anything similar Ukraine. There was no 'shock and awe' but more like 'schlock and awshuck' from the Russian military. But by sheer numerical superiority, Russia will win.

So aside from the list of external outcomes, what can we expect from the coming guerrilla warfare? I do not believe the Ukrainians will be any less motivated than the Iraqi and Afghanistan insurgencies. The difference is that the Ukrainian insurgency will be much better supported in terms of global moral outrage, international finance, and qualitatively superior weapons. When Iraq fell, the ME did not got angry but actually breathed a sigh of relief. With Poutine, it is the opposite. Now tension increased, especially after Poutine made the nuclear alertness comment. Support for the Ukrainian insurgency will be even more assured.

This is 3 hours ago

Finland to discuss joining Nato in wake of Ukraine invasion

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Finnish lawmakers will discuss the possibility of their country joining Nato in response to Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine on Tuesday.

Sanna Marin, Finland's prime minister, announced Helsinki would send weapons to help Ukraine. - Jussi Nukari /AP
© Jussi Nukari /AP Sanna Marin, Finland's prime minister, announced Helsinki would send weapons to help Ukraine. - Jussi Nukari /AP
The parliament debate is being held the day after an opinion poll showed that a majority of Finns were in favour of joining the Alliance for the first time.

Finland, which was invaded by the Soviet Union in 1939 and has Europe’s longest border with Russia, avoided taking sides in the Cold War and pursued a policy of non-alignment.

Increasing Russian belligerence, culminating in the invasion of Ukraine, has led to a landmark shift in attitudes in a country that was long reluctant to join Nato.

“It is very understandable that many Finns have changed or are changing their minds after Russia started waging war on Ukraine,” Sanna Marin, the prime minister, said on Monday.

The parliament debate was triggered after a petition to hold a referendum on Nato membership got 50,000 signatures in less than a week

Mr Putin listed Finland and neighbouring Sweden, which is also non-aligned, as countries that should be barred from Alliance membership as part of his security demands to the West before he invaded Ukraine. Finland insists on its right to apply for Nato membership if it wishes.

The poll by Finnish broadcasting company Yle found that 53 per cent of Finns were now in favour of joining Nato. That increases to 66 per cent if neighbouring Sweden, which is also non-aligned, joins at the same time, which has been mooted.

Some 28 per cent of Finns opposed membership and 19 per cent were unsure in the first opinion poll taken since Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It was carried out over three days, including the day before the invasion.

In a January opinion poll, 30 per cent of Finns were in favour of membership. A poll in December found that only 24 per cent of Finnish citizens were positive towards joining, an increase of 2 per cent from last year, with 51 per cent against membership. In 2017, just 19 per cent of Finns were in favour of joining Nato.

Nato insiders believe any membership process would be relatively quick one because the countries already comply with the many of the standards expected by the 30-nation bloc.

Ms Marin, who did not say if she personally backed joining Nato, said in Brussels that Finland would take the “historic” step of offering Ukraine weapons to help fight off the Russian invasion.

Elina Valtonen is a MP and vice-president of the National Coalition Party, which has supported Nato membership for Finland since 2006 and is in opposition to Ms Marin’s centre-Left Social Democratic Party led coalition.

She told the Telegraph in January, “Finland is closer than it has ever been to applying for Nato membership. For the first time people feel that the aggression that Russia has been executing towards its neighbours [...] also concerns Finland and Sweden.”

At the end of December, Atte Harjanne, the parliamentary head of the Green Party, called on it to reverse its long held stance against Nato membership and actively campaign for Finland to join the alliance.

Meanwhile, Alko, the state-owned monopoly that sells alcohol in Finland, has announced it will stop selling Russian vodka because of Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

“The situation in Ukraine is shocking and we have taken it seriously,” Anu Koskinen, a spokeswoman for the group, which offers more than 11,000 products including around 30 Russian products, mostly vodka, told AFP.

 
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