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You sure? You are the one that has been posting emotion-filled personal "opinions" from twitter which are more like rants actually.

He is trying to make sure Ukrainians fight to the last soul to achieve western objective.

I just feel sorry for the Ukrainians going through a needless war just so that the West can install NATO bases at Russian border.
 
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Also I forgot to add once you border Russia and they deny you NATO membership you are definitely getting invaded by them period..

Georgia - 2008 (Russia created two proxy states inside the country as sovereign states outside of the government meaning georgia is defacto partition into 3 government)

Moldova - Russia invaded and created another defacto state out of Moldova now having 2 states

Ukraine - invaded 3 times first Crimea followed by Donbass and now

Finland - 2030+ Regime change + including permanent Russian military bases

Sweden - 2030+ Surrender + including permanent Russian military bases

Finland and Sweden? Never.
Wont be a single russian military base there.
Russian has no plans for that either.

Sweden is not a small kid. It has a solid Army with its own hardware.
 
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Very stupid and irresponsible of the govt. If civilians attack a russian convoy with Molotov cocktails, it wont do much damage but the Russians will then turn towards the residential buildings and flatten them. This clown President is not only a clown but a really stupid one too.
Molotov cocktails? We are bordering on the absurd.
 
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He is trying to make sure Ukrainians fight to the last soul to achieve western objective.

I just feel sorry for the Ukrainians going through a needless war just so that the West can install NATO bases at Russian border.

Exactly what Mearsheimer told us a while ago. US and the West are pushing Ukraine to play though with the Russian and are making Ukraine think they will soon join NATO.
 
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Ukrainian defense industry has unfortunately become a bad joke in the last decade, Pakistan has tried its best to get away from it with moderate success, they were having trouble delivering even the most basic of stuff like minor components for their T80 tanks, Pakistan had to localize most of it. Now we’re moving away from Ukrainian engines in tanks (thankfully, because they’re not that good). This won’t really effect Pakistan much because of how much they’ve transitioned to China. If there’s any gaps left, maybe Russia can fill them, it’ll be more than happy to given how cash strapped they are themselves, however india will remain a hurdle in that regard. Hopefully this will also push some more localization out of our industries.
India may not be hurdle anymore as Russia has shown interest in supplying equipment to Pakistan... The question is would it supply parts for our indigenous programs like engines for our tanks etc.... Moreover the sanctions part you have not covered... Russia will be sanctioned to the brim and all acquisition from them will be pretty risky. In case of move to Chinese engines. It may require major refitting for existing tanks.... An opportunity could be reverse engineering Ukrainian engines, considering the sad state of affairs of Ukraine at the moment....
 
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Finland and Sweden? Never.
Wont be a single russian military base there.
Russian has no plans for that either.

Sweden is not a small kid. It has a solid Army with its own hardware.

Sweden is a pacifist country and it's army is really poor besides the swedes are risk-averse.. They will not fire one bullet towards a major Russian convoy column coming from the north towards the Swedish capital.. I could bet the house on that..

Russia does have interest in both countries and hack I could even see it happening in less then 5 years if Russia's economy worsens due to sanctions and they could be used as scapgoat against the sanctions if sanctions is not lifted they will use both as bargaining chip but either way Russia will make sure to ethablish military bases and regime change in Finland
 
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The sanctions package on the table:

  • Interruption of internet access in Russia
  • Cutting electrical lines to EU
  • Replacing railway shears
  • Exclusion of Russia from the swift system
  • Cancellation of licenses of companies affiliated with Russia
  • Blocking of offshore assets
Freight prices will go crazy

In response Russia can go into more Eastern European countries to create some sort of USSR type state.
 
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You've totally gone out of perspective wrt what i meant with stake and for whom... It was meant for turkey and potentially Pakistan's stake... Russia's invasion of Ukraine will leave both without a potential strategic partner... Do you think the Russians would withdraw without severely crippling Ukrainian defense infrastructure...
Here are some of the problems that would arise for Turkey.
> Loss of potential TFX engine partner
> Loss of T-929 engine partner
> Loss of IFV engine provider
All these deals were of billions and most importantly countries with the infrastructure and willingness to help in the defense sector of Pakistan and Turkey...
Pakistan suffers in the following way
> Lack of spare parts of 6td2
> Lack of newer engines for New Al-Khalids
> Loss of partner for Al-Khalid 2 engine
> Loss of 1400hp potential engine upgrade for Al-Khalid
> Failure to upgrade T-80UDs of Pak Army by Ukraine...
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So you tell me, What are those cheesy comments for ? And If he is pointing out the hypocrisy of the west .... Why are you snubbing him ? Remember, our relationship with Russia has just begun while that with Ukraine is older and time tested... The JF-17 engines we got from them is partly due to China's diplomacy and not just our own.. Thinking so would be overconfidence...
Clarification... This is not an Erdogan simp post (which it may seem to you).. this is totally looking at the long term goals and interests of Pakistan vis a vis Turkey... Hope you understand.

You have identified the problems correctly however, this is how geopolitics works. Ukraine was not able to protect itself... the fact that Russia has been able to obliterate Ukrainian defenses with such disdain shows one thing... It(Russia) was in fact sanctioning or permitting Ukrainian independence... hyphenated as it may have been. However, it was Ukrainian belligerence and change of orbit in to a western security alliance, specifically a defensive one but martial none the less, while simultaneously being expansionist as well.
Is anyone here realistically considering the security ramifications for Russia, by having a major bordering state in either a hostile or even reticent security alliance?

That being said, historically whenever an advanced defense or technologically developed state unraveled it's most prized possessions were it's engineers, project managers and scientists. If Turkiye or Pakistan see any benefit, and want to invest... then invest on the people and knowledge not it's byproduct...

One ship has sailed ... what are you going to do about it is the question.
 
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