Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[Mujahid Memon]

If America can invade Afghanistan because of a 0.01% of the population was Al Qaeda in 2001(remember according to Western polls over 95% of the afghans population had not heard of Al Qaeda) ... Why can't Russia invade Ukraine because of over 10% (according to some stats) of the population being Neo Nazi terrorist???

This guy leaves out the main fact of Russian antagonism ... The expansion of NATO to Ukraine as a redline for Russia ... All he says is Nazi Nazi Nazi ..

You should check Johny Haris videos. He has also covered and somewhat criticized American and French imperialism too.

 

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somewhat criticized American and French imperialism too.

Somewhat... Isn't good enough.

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1500187833688104969

 

[The SC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1500016402056749058

 

[NA71]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1500188025128734725

 

[K_Bin_W]

99% one-sided news from the west or its cronies... FLUSH.....

 

[Mujahid Memon]

Somewhat... Isn't good enough.

Its still more than nothing considering he is also sitting in a Western country and can possibly end up in a Snowden or Julian Assange type situation. How many Russians criticized Putin's madness?

 

[gambit]

they signed the same document , they made the same promises, they are as guilty as Russia that today neo-Nazis don't have nukes . and it seems you are sad because neo-Nazis don't have nukes and blame Russia for that.

That is true. Since so many people are too lazy to find the doc after all this time, here it is...

http://www.pircenter.org/media/content/files/12/13943175580.pdf

Memorandum on Security Assurances in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons​

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Budapest, 5 December 1994​

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The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,​

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Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear-weapon State,​

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Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,​

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Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.​

​

Confirm the following:​

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1. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.​

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2. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.​

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3. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.​

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4. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a nonnuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.​

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5. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm, in the case of the Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State Party 2 to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.​

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6. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments.​

​

This Memorandum will become applicable upon signature.​

​

Signed in four copies having equal validity in the English, Russian and Ukrainian languages​

​

Although this is not a legal document, it is still significant at the moral level, in that three nuclear weapons states, the US, the UK, and Russia, convinced Ukraine to give up 1700 nuclear warheads in various deployment forms in exchange for essentially nothing.

The US, UK, and Russia promised to:

1. Respect Ukraine sovereignty and independence
2. Not to attack Ukraine (except in self defense)
3. Not to use economic coercion against Ukraine

Of all the countries, COULD the US-UK do items 2 and 3, especially 2? Of course they could. But WOULD they? Not likely. So the real problem country is Russia. And here we are today.

Now, in trying feebly to defend Russia, people are shaming the US-UK for not defending Ukraine. But which broken promise is worse: not to attack or failure to defend? And even if the US-UK militarily defend Ukraine, these people would come up with some other creative reasons why Russia is fully justified any way.

But we are militarily defending Ukraine by arming Ukraine, and defending Ukraine in ways Poutine never expected. He never expected:

1. the level of global public outrage,
2. the social ostracization of Russia,
3. the economic isolation of Russia,
4. the rebuild of NATO,
5. the internal dissent in Russia about the war,
6. the reinforcement of suspicions towards Russia as a responsible power.

And that is not all. The only ally that Russia have is China and Xi is slowly walking away. Eventually, it will become clear that China is holding Russia off except for some insignificant trade deals and mealy mouth diplo-speak.

Each nuclear warhead is one security assurance. Ukraine gave up 1700 security assurances based on Russia's non-legal promise to respect Ukraine independence and sovereignty. This doc is being re-released to the global public. No amount of shaming the US-UK will work in easing the list of punishments Russia is receiving. Calling Ukraine a 'Nazi state' or other forms of victim blaming will not work.

Is Iran coming to Russia's assistance in any way other than internet chatter? Are any Iranian enlisting in the Russian military? Is any Chinese or any citizen from the pathetic short list of countries that defend Russia enlisting in the Russian military? Why not shame those countries? Why are they not signing trade treaties with Russia with promises to buy Russian goods for as long as Russia continue to occupy Ukraine?

The answer to all those questions is that despite the public stance about 'supporting' Russia, the leaders of those countries know that it is over for Poutine. So wank off for every Russian hit to Ukraine for now. That is all your countries are willing to do.

 

[Madni Bappa]

what did they gaing of this?


the only one who won is china, they will charge Russian for using ther bank account in china. And buy cheap oil and gas from Russia, other hand Pakistan will pay the double price for gas and oil .

If West sanctions us too, thinking we're with Russia. Then we should buy oil and gas from Iran

 

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[coffee_cup]

That is true. Since so many people are too lazy to find the doc after all this time, here it is...

http://www.pircenter.org/media/content/files/12/13943175580.pdf

Memorandum on Security Assurances in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons​

​

Budapest, 5 December 1994​

​

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,​

​

Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear-weapon State,​

​

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,​

​

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.​

​

Confirm the following:​

​

1. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.​

​

2. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.​

​

3. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.​

​

4. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a nonnuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.​

​

5. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm, in the case of the Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State Party 2 to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.​

​

6. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments.​

​

This Memorandum will become applicable upon signature.​

​

Signed in four copies having equal validity in the English, Russian and Ukrainian languages​

​

Although this is not a legal document, it is still significant at the moral level, in that three nuclear weapons states, the US, the UK, and Russia, convinced Ukraine to give up 1700 nuclear warheads in various deployment forms in exchange for essentially nothing.

The US, UK, and Russia promised to:

1. Respect Ukraine sovereignty and independence
2. Not to attack Ukraine (except in self defense)
3. Not to use economic coercion against Ukraine

Of all the countries, COULD the US-UK do items 2 and 3, especially 2? Of course they could. But WOULD they? Not likely. So the real problem country is Russia. And here we are today.

Now, in trying feebly to defend Russia, people are shaming the US-UK for not defending Ukraine. But which broken promise is worse: not to attack or failure to defend? And even if the US-UK militarily defend Ukraine, these people would come up with some other creative reasons why Russia is fully justified any way.

But we are militarily defending Ukraine by arming Ukraine, and defending Ukraine in ways Poutine never expected. He never expected:

1. the level of global public outrage,
2. the social ostracization of Russia,
3. the economic isolation of Russia,
4. the rebuild of NATO,
5. the internal dissent in Russia about the war,
6. the reinforcement of suspicions towards Russia as a responsible power.

And that is not all. The only ally that Russia have is China and Xi is slowly walking away. Eventually, it will become clear that China is holding Russia off except for some insignificant trade deals and mealy mouth diplo-speak.

Each nuclear warhead is one security assurance. Ukraine gave up 1700 security assurances based on Russia's non-legal promise to respect Ukraine independence and sovereignty. This doc is being re-released to the global public. No amount of shaming the US-UK will work in easing the list of punishments Russia is receiving. Calling Ukraine a 'Nazi state' or other forms of victim blaming will not work.

Is Iran coming to Russia's assistance in any way other than internet chatter? Are any Iranian enlisting in the Russian military? Is any Chinese or any citizen from the pathetic short list of countries that defend Russia enlisting in the Russian military? Why not shame those countries? Why are they not signing trade treaties with Russia with promises to buy Russian goods for as long as Russia continue to occupy Ukraine?

The answer to all those questions is that despite the public stance about 'supporting' Russia, the leaders of those countries know that it is over for Poutine. So wank off for every Russian hit to Ukraine for now. That is all your countries are willing to do.

Where is the WRITTEN promise in it?

 

[pkuser2k12]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1500176098591711238

 

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Its still more than nothing considering he is also sitting in a Western country and can possibly end up in a Snowden or Julian Assange type situation. How many Russians criticized Putin's madness?

Imbalances just highlight hypocrisy.... Crumbs for the less-human Dalits...

 

[thetutle]

I mean, Europe is VERY diverse, we don't need to import completely foreign-cultures etc. I don't say they are bad, they are just too different.
Otherwise when you propagate "diversity", "freedom" etc. you must take them with all their life-style.

I don't care, or maybe I should not care who goes to Europe, It's not my job to make these rules on immigration. I live in Australia and you should see the diversity here. When I was young it used to be redneck wonderland in australia, you would not believe the racism of white people here. And its not even our country, the europeans stole it. Now its very tolerant, but even now, people self segregate. knowingly or unknowingly. I have not seen an aboriginal person or a black African person for maybe 2 years. we just dont go to the same places. have different interests. And Europe will become like that too. Self segregation.

See, you are more racist to Armenians than Steiner.
But I guess Steiner had only good moments with THESE Armenians.

Actually all the Armenians I have met have been really nice people, its just that their politics is so anti Turkish, and I support turkey for historical reasons. And the way they look does not really appeal to me. Although I went out with a half Armenian half English girl who was American.

I really don't understand how people can think that all this "nazi" and "NATO" bs should be THE reason of that war.

Yeah I think some people here have suffered bad experiences with neo nazis, or know of people that have suffered, and they think that this is a real force in Ukraine due to the Russian propaganda. I can assure them its not.

Ukraine has nazis, neo nazis, Jews, zionists, liberals, communists, and I am quite sure they will all fight together to protect their country and freedom from the Russians. they are all on the same side when it comes to their country. They all want freedom to to be what they are. And Russians are the same way. of course there are racists Russia.

And yes some Ukranians don't want muslims who black, brown or white coming to their country and taking their woman or whatever, just as there are Pakistanis who would object to you a white christian coming to some village and taking a woman with you. Thats just human nature. It should not be a reason to support Russia in such imperialistic endeavours.

And we have seen lately Russia sending in their own troops to get massacred with helmets made in 1965 and no body armour, and these soldiers dont look very ethnically Russian to me, and at the same time we have Russian pilots who all look tall and very white with blond hair. Maybe Russia should give some Chechens access to some modern aircraft and powerful bombs and see how that goes. Will those bombs end up in Ukraine or in the Kremlin. hard to say.

 

[khansaheeb]

My stock portfolio is in deep shit due to this war. What you guys think, how will this war span out. Any expert opinion please.
How long it will last and how will it end.

It really depends on the will of the resistance and how much of a fight they put up. Russia will achieve all its major objectives but a strong guerilla war will sting the Russians and the Russian public opinion may undermine the gains. The US arms industry is hungry for money so this war and more will be fueled further and other targets will be created. More war means more money and it is a cycle we have seen the US arms industry spiral up upon. US does not have the capacity to fight in Europe and the Far East no matter how much they boast as this will make Israel extremely vulnerable to a conventional defeat.