Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[Apollon]

Don't gloat too much, you might be facing a lot of blackouts in Europe very soon.

Doubtful. Very mild winter. Nature works against Putler

 

[jamahir]

Zelensky is in weak Position. SUPAAAPOWAAA Putler on other side lost on all fronts and has not achieved any objective yet.

"Lost on all fronts" ? Umm, this is just the 5th day of the war and as other members have been saying, the Americans took 30 days to partially defeat Saddam's forces in 2003. Isn't America a SUPAAAPOWAAA ?

I guess one of the oligarchs pulls the plug

So you want Putin's oligarchs to be replaced with government that is puppet of the Western governments and controlled by the plutocrats in Wall Street ?

Even if the Russians take all of Ukraine, an insurgency by the 40+ million Ukrainians against the few hundreds of thousands of Russian force will keep the Russians and the western alliance preoccupied.

Can you tell me how many of those 40+ million Ukranians are from the Russian-speaking regions and also those from other parts of Ukraine who don't support the government because there was a vid yesterday in this thread of street interviews of Kiev women who essentially said "To hell with the central government" and said they won't send their sons to fight for the government ?

In the following video, we are reminded by the interviewer, that India (which calls itself the largest democracy) sided with the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan in 1979. The only democratic country to do so. This should be emphasized in today’s context, to highlight India does not stand on principles as it likes to claim but naked national interests.

"Naked national interests" as in maintaining the extreme Capitalist socio-economic system and the actually non-democracy if seen in the context of successive Indian governments from 1947 till now. Indian governments never really sided with the USSR and in the 1980s the Indian government was actually scared of possibly increased USSR's influence in Pakistan. The Indian government of the mid-1980s under PM Rajiv Gandhi saw Zia ul Haq's Pakistan as the buffer which would protect Rajiv's India from increased Soviet presence in India which could very possibly enable the Indian Communists from politically taking over at some point. Rajiv Gandhi was ready to assist Zia to get back into power in case he was toppled by Soviet-assisted Pakistani leftists where the Soviets would try to extend their influence into Pakistan beyond their presence in Afghanistan. From my 2015 thread :

Rajiv Gandhi regarded Pakistan as 'strategic buffer' against USSR: CIA document

Sep 01, 2015

• Rajiv Gandhi was the seventh Prime Minister of India (Photo: PTI/File)

Washington: Contradicting perceived proximity to the Soviet Union in the Cold War era, India under the then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi had toyed with the idea of supporting anti-Russian civilian groups in Pakistan if the then Zia regime was thrown out by Moscow, a recent declassified CIA document has claimed.

According to CIA documents of the era, which were recently declassified and posted on the CIA website under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), which is similar to India's Right to Information Act, Gandhi wanted non-interference from both the United States and the then USSR. "Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi would like both the USSR and the United States to end their involvement in South Asia," noted the 31-page CIA document titled 'The Soviet Presence in Afghanistan: Implications for the Regional Powers and the US'.

While taking note of the historic India-USSR relationship in particular in the defence field, the CIA report of April 1985 noted that India is likely to become increasingly concerned about long-range Soviet intentions in the region and could find itself moving towards confrontation with the Soviets if Pakistan was effectively neutralised.

"New Delhi regards Pakistan as a strategic buffer against the USSR and would oppose Moscow's effort to dominate Pakistan. New Delhi and Moscow would find themselves supporting rival factions within Pakistan," said the report, according to which Moscow had plans to change the regime in Pakistan and extend its influence beyond Afghanistan. In that case, the report said, "The Indians would seek to significantly reduce their dependence on Moscow and reorder their strategic relationship with the USSR, the United States and China if they perceived Soviet ambitions as extending beyond Afghanistan toward the subcontinent."

According to the report, the Soviets tried to heighten India's suspicion about Pakistan's intentions and its security relationship with the US in order to foster Indo-Pakistani tensions and heighten New Delhi’s dependence on Moscow. "In Soviet view, conflict between India and Pakistan would work toward solving Moscow's Afghan problem and would give Moscow opportunities to strengthen its position in South Asia," the report said.

"If (Gen) Zia (Ul Haq) regime were to fall, the Indians might try to prevent Soviet attempt to dominate Pakistan by supporting rival Pakistani political factions, Soviet military moves against an already neutralised Pakistan could even result in military confrontation with India," it added.

Six months later when Gandhi was planning to meet General Zia on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly meeting in New York, the CIA analyzed that the then Indian Prime Minister, despite his strong public views on Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, was unlikely to push him hard on it. "Gandhi is unlikely to push Zia hard about the Pakistani nuclear program, although he probably will at least mention his continuing concern," noted the top secret CIA document dated October 21, 1985.

"For his part, Zia is also likely to propose ideas on ways to improve the bilateral relationship. He may suggest regular high-level diplomatic talks in addition to the formal Joint Commission sessions that focuses on trade, communications and cultural exchanges," the report said. "Zia may also solicit Gandhi's views on whether as the Pakistanis believe the Soviets are becoming serious about a negotiated settlement in Afghanistan," it said.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498250818306420740

Good !

Nothing in my comment was out of arrogance

"If you're serious, then the first thing you need to do is get this idea out of your head"

"Nope. Take it or leave it."

They are not snarky and arrogant.

 

[RescueRanger]

Sorry, it was meant as an FYI in general

Btw, an word on Pakistani students and their evacuation?

Please don't apologize to me, its not necessary.

Some Pakistani students were evacuated via Poland.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498196569023303684

 

[dBSPL]

So far russian oligarchs have lost property worth 46 billion € within 48 h.

Is Cyprus included? (as you know, one of the centers used for offshore transfers)

 

[Muhammed45]

First shipment of Israeli aid arrives in Kieva

 

[Apollon]

"Lost on all fronts" ? Umm, this is just the 5th day of the war and as other members have been saying, the Americans about 30 days to partially defeat Saddam's forces in 2003. Isn't America a SUPAAAPOWAAA ?



So you want Putin's oligarchs to be replaced with government that is puppet of the Western governments and controlled by the plutocrats in Wall Street ?



Can you tell me how many of those 40+ million Ukranians are from the Russian-speaking regions and also those from other parts of Ukraine who don't support the government because there was a vid yesterday in this thread of street interviews of Kiev women who essentially said "To hell with the central government" and said they won't send their sons to fight for the government ?



"Naked national interests" as in maintaining the extreme Capitalist socio-economic system and the actually non-democracy if seen in the context of successive Indian governments from 1947 till now. Indian governments never really sided with the USSR and in the 1980s the Indian government was actually scared of possibly increased USSR's influence in Pakistan. The Indian government of the mid-1980s under PM Rajiv Gandhi saw Zia ul Haq's Pakistan as the buffer which would protect Rajiv's India from increased Soviet presence in India which could very possibly enable the Indian Communists from politically taking over at some point. Rajiv Gandhi was ready to assist Zia to get back into power in case he was toppled by Soviet-assisted Pakistani leftists where the Soviets would try to extend their influence into Pakistan beyond their presence in Afghanistan. From my 2015 thread :





Good !



"If you're serious, then the first thing you need to do is get this idea out of your head"

"Nope. Take it or leave it."

They are not snark and arrogant.

Yes all Fronts. Russis got wiped put in Europe. Its economy is destroyed..its aviation blocked. Even Putin cant travel anymore. Russians lost 45% in their savings in 24h.

Putin faces another problem. His "saving Ukraine" dont work. Ukrainians fiercly fight for their freedom. His narrative breaks

The biggest issues are his oligarchs. They lose evrything right now.

 

[dBSPL]

"Russian citizens studying at universities in Europe are expelled from their schools. They will then be deported."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498275478666465280

Is this news true?

That's racism. What is called Western democracy is an illusion!

 

[Apollon]

Is Cyprus included? (as you know, one of the centers used for offshore transfers)

Yes Cyprus included. Its EU wide ban

"Russian citizens studying at universities in Europe are expelled from their schools. They will then be deported."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498275478666465280

Is this news true?

That's racism. What is called Western democracy is an illusion!

Thats not racism. Its security. We are at war.

 

[Zibago]

Russia already had difficulties in modernizing its military systems for a long time with the post-Soviet collapse. Russia is traditionally the world's largest land army. So the inventory is huge in every sense... This was not a problem that could be solved in 3-5 years. In terms of the necessary machinery and looms, and for some products, the technology had difficulty in competing.

Before Russia could complete this phase, it inevitably set about consolidating its outer security concept with military measures. Particularly, intervention in Syria is a costly issue for Russia. Resources that should have been spent on military modernization began to flow into military operations.

Russia still has invaluable conventional military assets and, more importantly, doctrines for point operations. However, the consequences of a large-scale invasion were heavy for Russia. (A possible defeat in Ukraine may, first of all, destroy the perception of mighty Russia in the minds. This is what Russia cannot afford either.)

A wave of economic sanctions is now likely to begin on an unprecedented scale. But I think the main critical issue is the disappearance of the activities necessary for Russia's defense and aerospace industry, which I mentioned above. I opened a separate thread on this subject.

In short, the Ukraine war creates a reality in which Russia will be vitally dependent on China in every sense. This will lead to the political regression of Russia.

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From Turkey's point of view, I think Russia should not be defeated. However, this should not be a decisive NATO victory either. If a certain victory situation occurs, the pressure on Turkey will increase, it doesn't matter from which direction.

From perspective of Pakistan a Russia that is more dependent on China will force it to reevaluate its commitments with a certain neighbor both Pakistan and China have disputes with

Whatever the outcome of the war maybe Russia's increased reliance on China will have a positive impact for us security wise

 

[RescueRanger]

"Russian citizens studying at universities in Europe are expelled from their schools. They will then be deported."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498275478666465280

Is this news true?

That's racism. What is called Western democracy is an illusion!

This cannot be true whatsoever. It would be a breach of Article 7 of ECHR and Protocol 1 Article 2 "Right to Education"

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[kingQamaR]

The massage that it conveys, is, hey Muslim you have to suffer. No one cares, no one shows sympathy, no one is interested in seeing your teaeful eyes. You have to suffer And suffer

Hasn't that happened in all wars. Even the wars in Chechnya and Syria from your hero Putin you Iranians must be on your knees if you are looking up to this guy

 

[dBSPL]

Thats not racism. Its security. We are at war.

The majority of Russians in Europe declare that they are against the Ukrania's invasion. A person cannot be punished just because of race/nation. There is no such thing in the law of war. Do not talk nonsense! other Q, Is there an official declaration of war?

 

[That Guy]

"Lost on all fronts" ? Umm, this is just the 5th day of the war and as other members have been saying, the Americans about 30 days to partially defeat Saddam's forces in 2003. Isn't America a SUPAAAPOWAAA ?



So you want Putin's oligarchs to be replaced with government that is puppet of the Western governments and controlled by the plutocrats in Wall Street ?



Can you tell me how many of those 40+ million Ukranians are from the Russian-speaking regions and also those from other parts of Ukraine who don't support the government because there was a vid yesterday in this thread of street interviews of Kiev women who essentially said "To hell with the central government" and said they won't send their sons to fight for the government ?



"Naked national interests" as in maintaining the extreme Capitalist socio-economic system and the actually non-democracy if seen in the context of successive Indian governments from 1947 till now. Indian governments never really sided with the USSR and in the 1980s the Indian government was actually scared of possibly increased USSR's influence in Pakistan. The Indian government of the mid-1980s under PM Rajiv Gandhi saw Zia ul Haq's Pakistan as the buffer which would protect Rajiv's India from increased Soviet presence in India which could very possibly enable the Indian Communists from politically taking over at some point. Rajiv Gandhi was ready to assist Zia to get back into power in case he was toppled by Soviet-assisted Pakistani leftists where the Soviets would try to extend their influence into Pakistan beyond their presence in Afghanistan. From my 2015 thread :





Good !



"If you're serious, then the first thing you need to do is get this idea out of your head"

"Nope. Take it or leave it."

They are not snark and arrogant.

Because you said you don't believe false propaganda, and I was pointing out that you do. Not arrogant to show that what you said was itself arrogant.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498279966588481540

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498279534596136965

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498279067204079619

Protests outside an embassy is not a threat. Russians know that nothing is gonna happen to their staff, it's just more propaganda and an empty threat.

 

[Apollon]

The majority of Russians in Europe declare that they are against the Ukrania's invasion. A person cannot be punished just because of race/nation. There is no such thing in the law of war. Do not talk nonsense! other Q, Is there an official declaration of war?

Its not punishment. Its security. They can return when putin is gone.

 

[dBSPL]

Ukraine demanded that all Russian troops (including Crimea and Donbass) leave the country immediately for peace