Oh and russians poisoning the ukranian head of party, and having their puppet rip apart his election promises of closer ties to the eu is ignored mr hypocrite?
If you're unwilling to hold a discussion without throwing around ad hominems, I see no point in responding. For the one who resorts to such means, has already lost the debate. But let's address these talking points one more time, seeing how they're lifted out of the official doxa outlined by NATO regime mouthpieces.
First of all the person you're referring to is named Viktor Yushchenko. Since you pretend to superior knowledge of history, perhaps you'd want to fill these gaps in your narrative, but anyway.
Secondly, supposed Russian poisoning of Yushchenko in September 2004 represents a claim by western regimes and their minions - certainly not a proven hard fact. When examined closely, the story appears to be as dotted with holes as a piece of Swiss cheese. Basically like every such allegation issued by NATO and the zionists against those who refuse to submit to their imperial yoke.
As an example in July 2019, Ukraine's deputy Prosecutor-General and chief Military Prosecutor, Anatoly Matios, in a courageous move contradicted Prosecutor-General Yuri Lutsenko by declaring that investigators under his watch hadn't found the slightest evidence for poisoning.
Other Ukrainian officials observed that Yushchenko would refuse to submit to a second blood test. If the results of the initial one hadn't been doctored, what did he have to fear?
Thirdly, only two months after this affair Yushchenko started calling for protests against the announced result of the presidential election, alleging "fraud" to his detriment - a classical pretext invoked in "color revolutions". The ensuing mobilization came to be known as the "Orange revolution", a textbook "color revolution" read an inauthentic, non-spontaneous event planned, instigated and staged by NATO intelligence services, organizations controlled by Washington such as the NED (National Endowment for Democracy) as well as messianist banker oligarchs like George Soros.
More information can be found here:
https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/zxxx_662805/202205/t20220507_10683090.html
And from the horse's mouth as well:
https://canadiandimension.com/artic...ecret-role-in-ukraines-2004-orange-revolution
These engineered uprisings require triggers, usually mounted in a Hollywoodesque manner so as to dupe a public already conditioned by and responsive to the brainwashing techniques typical of the American commercial film industry. And Yushchenko's supposed poisoning at the hands of "evil Russia" was the first such trigger in the build up to the fake "Orange revolution".
Of course, this represents an illegal intervention in the domestic affairs of a sovereign nation, aimed at determining its head of state from outside.
As for the story about democratically elected Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych reneging on earlier promises of improved ties with the EU:
1) Under Yanukovych's presidency, Ukraine and the EU did proceed to draft an Association Agreement in March 2012.
2) The EU however was unduly interfering in Ukraine's domestic judicial process and formulating conditions for the bilateral treaty to be finalized, namely that independent Ukrainian courts revoke their decision to detain certain politicians believed to have broken the law. Hence why the negotiations stalled.
3) Is there any concrete evidence that President Yanukovych acted on instructions from Moscow? Not every politician in Ukraine is a hysterical russophobe and willing NATO vassal.
4) Breaching election promises is a specialty of those holding office in western liberal "democracies". Cases are so plentiful and prominent I can't be bothered to expand upon them. But as someone familiar with European history as you claim, various examples should spontaneously come to your mind.
And now starting an invasion despite their vow to safeguard ukranian security and sovereignity after ukraine removed its nuclear weapons?
What about the fact that Ukraine had been violating the Minsk agreements for years, and targeting its Russian-speaking citizens of all people?
Good to see you only got interested in following history after being triggered in 2003 iraq invasion. You might want to read up on the long lists of invasions/destabilizations/occupations russia committed in eastern europe. And in case of ukraine genocide and population politics. In western europe we are also used to constant russian spying/meddling. They fund a lot of our nationalist parties to destabilize the EU…
Are you incriminating the Russian Federation for acts committed by the Russian empire in the 19th century and then by the Soviet Union? Each of which is again subject to discussion. But fact is that the current Russian state cannot be held accountable for policies conducted by preceding regimes.
When it comes to genocide in Ukraine, let's not get into which elements within the USSR conceived and made every effort to have such policies pushed through (hint: it didn't come from Stalin).
As for population displacements and "ethnic cleansing", perhaps you ought to include how nationalist Ukrainian collaborators of Germany (the same WW2 nationalists who're largely being revered under the current Ukrainian regime) not only massacred and expelled Russian-speakers and Jewish Ukrainians but also Polish minorities of Galicia (western Ukraine).
Finally, about Russia funding certain political parties in Europe today, EU regimes can change their laws accordingly if they have an issue with it. And aren't they themselves supporting the liberal, pro-western opposition in Russia (from Navalny to all the others), even when it tries to stage "color revolutions" against the system? So it's more than fair game.
And lastly…i am not a fan of the american empire either…why however do ukraine and europe have to suffer through russian agression for something america did?
My proposed solution: man up and shake off US overlordship as soon as possible. Otherwise further instability in Europe and Ukraine can be expected.
I'd recommend listening again to US diplomat Victoria Nuland to understand how much Washington cares about its European "partners":
A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine.
www.bbc.co.uk
And then we have you supporting the russians (doing similar or worse…usa atleast did not straight up annex iraq).
As explained before, annexation is not worse than deliberate undermining of a nation's social fabric, turning communities against each other, splitting up a unified state into several unstable, antagonistic, weak entities condemned to be at each others' throats for ages - a policy pursued by US neocons and lib-hawks alike, along with their zionist masters. At least the regions of Ukraine which will be integrated into Russia will benefit from lasting stability.
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Deal with it. I accept no russian propaganda. We are at war and have the tools to target the enemies within
I'd say you try to deal with it. Isn't this the Pakistan Defence Forum? And for all I know the German regime wields no power on here. So the authoritarian stifling of voices of truth and the imposition of a regime-sponsored, exclusive narrative made of spin and endless twisting of facts won't apply. Here views challenging western regime propaganda can be and are indeed expressed.
