Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[jamahir]

LOL, if you are an anti war and anti military person, you won't be here, in PDF.

I come here for the political discussions, for science and technology discussions, for music and for general discussions.

 

[Patriot forever]

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They are following the ANDSF script right until the fall of Kabul ( sorry Kiev).

West is actively trying to flame the conflict, instead of deescalation and finding a solution. Ukrainians will be at the receiving while the LGBT crowd will cross border into neighbouring countries.

 

[SIPRA]

Bro please stop sharing fake news.

He is standing solidly behind Ukraine.

 

[pkuser2k12]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497160147436777484

 

[RescueRanger]

They are following the ANDSF script right until the fall of Kabul ( sorry Kiev).

West is actively trying to flame the conflict, instead of deescalation and finding a solution. Ukrainians will be at the receiving while the LGBT crowd will cross border into neighbouring countries.

Their psyops advisers must be Bahia's.

 

[dBSPL]

Gotta admit though ... "The Ghost of Kyiv" is one badass nickname!

Definitely makes me want to reinstall DCS. Remembering the controls will take time, but it's okay.

 

[gambit]

The only concrete way to have peace is to respect each others valid rationale.

'On December 1, 2020, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Andrii Taran stated that Ukraine clearly outlines its ambitions to obtain the NATO Membership Action Plan and hopes for comprehensive political and military support for such a decision at the next Alliance Summit in 2021'.

Has NATO not expanded ? Their in lies the answer.


Anyways the best way to end this is for Ukraine to sign a pact ( endorsed by western European powers) that it will not join NATO. Inreturn Russia should roll back its recognition of separatist republics ( on assurances that Russian speaking regions will be treated fairly and enjoy some autonomy within the confines of the state).

West should stop flaming the war and using Ukrainians as cattle in their geopolitical objective to bleed Russia.

Not good enough. All we have is some verbiage about NATO. But I think I have delayed long enough.

When the Soviet Union broke up, the former satellites became owners of many Soviet military hardware. For Ukraine, that ownership involved nuclear weapons. The Budapest Agreement had Ukraine gave up all nuclear weapons. The US/UK helped Ukraine in the dismantling process. The nuclear fissile materials returned to Russia. In return, all parties agreed to respect Ukraine's independence which implied future independent foreign policies devoid of outside pressure. Russia, eager to get all the nuclear fissile materials, agreed.

http://www.pircenter.org/media/content/files/12/13943175580.pdf

Budapest, 5 December 1994​

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The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,​

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Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear-weapon State,​

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Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,​

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Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.​

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Confirm the following:​

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1. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.​

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2. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.​

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3. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.​

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4. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a nonnuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.​

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5. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm, in the case of the Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State Party 2 to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.​

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6. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments.​

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This Memorandum will become applicable upon signature.​

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Signed in four copies having equal validity in the English, Russian and Ukrainian languages.​

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The problem here is that the Budapest Agreement of 1994 is not legally binding on all signatories. It was at best sort of a "gentlemen's handshake". All signatories promised not to attack Ukraine, but then no one promised to come to Ukraine's aid should Ukraine come under attack. And this is how Putin done it.

But ultimately, legal document or not, Russia is now seen as aggressor despite what was promised to Ukraine. The Budapest Agreement of 1994 WILL be disseminated throughout and the consequences will be many IMPLICIT memberships in NATO. Ukraine trusted Russia despite the absence of any legal protection and gave up the best guarantor of independence -- nuclear weapons. And was betrayed by Russia.

Спасибо, Vladimir Putin, for securing the future expansion of NATO.

 

[Oom]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497163445539647500

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497164383452946433

He better not run away like Ghani. Be a man. Die for what you stood for.

These politicians expect soldiers to die for their cause, while they tweet away.

 

[Trench Broom]

He is standing solidly behind Ukraine.

While you stand with the Ruskie butchers of Syria

 

[Patriot forever]

NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard | National Security Archive

Western leaders gave multiple assurances against NATO expansion to Gorbachev in 1990-1991 according to declassified American, Russian, British, Germans documents

nsarchive.gwu.edu

Everyone understands this is a well laid trap worked in for years for Russia and the cost is Ukrainian blood ( which the West is rallying to the slaughterhouse).

 

[Enigma SIG]

Whether it is complete BS or not ... I suppose these are the type of stories that the Ukranians need to keep any semblance of hope alive for them at this point ...

Gotta admit though ... "The Ghost of Kyiv" is one badass nickname!

CIA rumor mills running overtime!

 

[RescueRanger]

Russia's wealthiest men have reportedly lost 39 Billion USD since the sanctions were levied against Russia for it's invasion of Ukraine. - AJN

 

[Bilal.]

Everyone understands this is a well laid trap worked in for years for Russia and the cost is Ukrainian blood ( which the West is rallying to the slaughterhouse).

And I know what he will say as an answer. Oh it’s not a written agreement. Oh it was with Soviet leaders not Russia.

 

[casual]

How did Ukraine reneged? But the Russian WRITTEN promise not to attack Ukraine predated the Minsk agreement.


If you have that paper, bring it.

Ukraine enters Nato striking blow against arch-enemy Putin

UKRAINE is to enter NATO striking a blow against arch-enemy Vladimir Putin. President Volodymyr Zelensky said he welcomed his nation eventually joining the military alliance in a landmark move for …

www.thesun.co.uk

Ukraine gov was seeking to join NATO reneging on their promise not to according to the Minsk agreement signed in 2015

 

[Enigma SIG]

While you stand with the Ruskie butchers of Syria

Everyones butchering everyone in the world don't act like someone has the moral high ground here.