Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497169935805841408

 

[pkuser2k12]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497163500858322948

 

[Arbiter]

Ghost of Kyiv. Appropriate name since it's a ghost and doesn't exist. A made up hero to boost morale

 

[Han Patriot]

Ukraine enters Nato striking blow against arch-enemy Putin

UKRAINE is to enter NATO striking a blow against arch-enemy Vladimir Putin. President Volodymyr Zelensky said he welcomed his nation eventually joining the military alliance in a landmark move for …

www.thesun.co.uk

Ukraine gov was seeking to join NATO reneging on their promise not to according to the Minsk agreement signed in 2015

No point arguing with an imbecillic cheerleader. Russia was pushed into this and the US created this mess.

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497170013136224259

 

[RescueRanger]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497160147436777484

£20,000 war trophy.

 

[Wood]

Blinken, in call with India, stresses collective condemnation of Russian invasion

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken spoke with India's foreign minister, Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, on Thursday and urged a "strong collective response" to condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the State Department said.

www.reuters.com

See @Wood

I told u , western pressure comes swift and fast. India either stand with western or Russia. There is no neutral. Both options are dead end for India.

Yes, of course US will put pressure on India. The US also put pressure on India not to buy S 400. But from Indian perspective, China is the enemy and Russia is not. The Ukrainian ambassador in India has already made a statement that Ukraine is not happy with India's position in this matter.

India will not confront Russia for the same reason that US will not take a military action against Russia. Both parties will do so to not give an advantage to China

 

[SIPRA]

While you stand with the Ruskie butchers of Syria

Would you mind pointing out to any of my post, in this thread, or otherwise, from where you made your opinion about me?

 

[gambit]

Ukraine enters Nato striking blow against arch-enemy Putin

UKRAINE is to enter NATO striking a blow against arch-enemy Vladimir Putin. President Volodymyr Zelensky said he welcomed his nation eventually joining the military alliance in a landmark move for …

www.thesun.co.uk

Ukraine gov was seeking to join NATO reneging on their promise not to according to the Minsk agreement signed in 2015

Try again and harder...

Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

He’s an Ace. Whether it is complete BS or not ... I suppose these are the type of stories that the Ukranians need to keep any semblance of hope alive for them at this point ... Gotta admit though ... "The Ghost of Kyiv" is one badass nickname!

defence.pk

 

[RescueRanger]

Something is happening in Kharkiev, lots of panicked chatter on this frequency, its a two tone radio, shame I can't speak Ukrainian or Russian

 

[RescueRanger]

Something is happening in Kharkiev, lots of panicked chatter on this frequency, its a two tone radio, shame I can't speak Ukrainian or Russian
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Another one broadcasting on 27250 band 14 CW.

 

[casual]

Try again and harder...

Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

He’s an Ace. Whether it is complete BS or not ... I suppose these are the type of stories that the Ukranians need to keep any semblance of hope alive for them at this point ... Gotta admit though ... "The Ghost of Kyiv" is one badass nickname!

defence.pk

haha, no arguments? seems like I win

 

[RescueRanger]

View attachment 818505

Another one broadcasting on 27250 band 14 CW.

I've recorded some of the chatter including it here:

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[gambit]

haha, no arguments? seems like I win

More like you do not read. So yes, you won via ignorance.

 

[Patriot forever]

Not good enough. All we have is some verbiage about NATO. But I think I have delayed long enough.

When the Soviet Union broke up, the former satellites became owners of many Soviet military hardware. For Ukraine, that ownership involved nuclear weapons. The Budapest Agreement had Ukraine gave up all nuclear weapons. The US/UK helped Ukraine in the dismantling process. The nuclear fissile materials returned to Russia. In return, all parties agreed to respect Ukraine's independence which implied future independent foreign policies devoid of outside pressure. Russia, eager to get all the nuclear fissile materials, agreed.

http://www.pircenter.org/media/content/files/12/13943175580.pdf

Budapest, 5 December 1994​

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The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,​

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Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear-weapon State,​

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Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,​

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Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.​

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Confirm the following:​

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1. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.​

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2. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.​

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3. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.​

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4. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a nonnuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.​

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5. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm, in the case of the Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State Party 2 to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.​

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6. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments.​

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This Memorandum will become applicable upon signature.​

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Signed in four copies having equal validity in the English, Russian and Ukrainian languages.​

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The problem here is that the Budapest Agreement of 1994 is not legally binding on all signatories. It was at best sort of a "gentlemen's handshake". All signatories promised not to attack Ukraine, but then no one promised to come to Ukraine's aid should Ukraine come under attack. And this is how Putin done it.

But ultimately, legal document or not, Russia is now seen as aggressor despite what was promised to Ukraine. The Budapest Agreement of 1994 WILL be disseminated throughout and the consequences will be many IMPLICIT memberships in NATO. Ukraine trusted Russia despite the absence of any legal protection and gave up the best guarantor of independence -- nuclear weapons. And was betrayed by Russia.

Спасибо, Vladimir Putin, for securing the future expansion of NATO.

Page from Stepanov-Mamaladze's notes from February 12, 1990, reflecting Baker's assurance to Shevardnadze during the Ottawa Open Skies conference: "And if U[nited] G[ermany] stays in NATO, we should take care about non-expansion of its jurisdiction to the east."


This assurance was violated.

Furthermore even if you hold account your own post, political Interference to overthrow a pro Moscow governemnt in Kiev also comes under breach of sovereignty.