Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[dBSPL]

The driver, who was crushed by the Russian Strela, survived. He is currently receiving medical treatment.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497136027227598848

 

[gambit]

So Mr Gambit - you jump on a promise witnessed by other countries - yet neglect to see any "breaking of promises" by the great leader of democracy and truth of the flags you fly?

Declassified documents tell the story of how American officials led the Russians to believe that no expansion would be undertaken by NATO, then later nearly doubled the size of the alliance. Russian and American transcripts and summaries of high-level meetings, posted in recent years by the National Security Archive at George Washington University, record multiple assurances in the early 1990s.

Some were explicit, others implicit and subject to interpretation. They were given repeatedly in various forms to Gorbachev, Russian President Boris Yeltsin, and other Russian officials by the highest American and European leaders, including President George H. W. Bush, Secretary of State James Baker, CIA Director Robert Gates, West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher, British Prime Ministers Margaret Thatcher and John Major, French President François Mitterrand, and NATO Secretary General Manfred Wörner.

So pumping up the Ukraine and giving them the pat on the back to stoke up confrontation against Russia is "ok" with the likes of you - yet selectively avoid the promises made by the USA? Putin and Russia have every right to protect its existence and any potential threat on its doorstep.
Russia want to show the world - the world is no longer revolving around the USA.
They assisted in Trump being elected - they existed Brexit creating havoc in both countries. Now flexing their biceps. Russia aint no Afghanistan Iraq Libya or Syria.

Ukrainians fighting Russian army today will not care. As far as they know, NATO membership was never in the negotiations between Ukraine and Russia when Russia made that WRITTEN promise not to attack Ukraine. When Russia made that promise, Russia never brought up NATO as part of concessions from Ukraine. So even if Ukraine made any overture to NATO, Russia is bounded, or expected to, remain with what was promised. Why is it so difficult to accept that NATO was not part of Russia's WRITTEN promise?

 

[Metal 0-1]

 

[gambit]

and Nato had an agreement they wont expand east!

Bring it up. Where?

 

[Dalit]

Ukrainians fighting Russian army today will not care. As far as they know, NATO membership was never in the negotiations between Ukraine and Russia when Russia made that WRITTEN promise not to attack Ukraine. When Russia made that promise, Russia never brought up NATO as part of concessions from Ukraine. So even if Ukraine made any overture to NATO, Russia is bounded, or expected to, remain with what was promised. Why is it so difficult to accept that NATO was not part of Russia's WRITTEN promise?

Dude, this ia another Kurdish/Afghan episode for the US. Your Ukrainian puppets are asking questions.

 

[Daniel808]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497160676208488454

 

[Patriot forever]

You are correct about the rationale. No one wanted such threats to be so close to home soil.

But the problem for your argument is that NATO never considered Ukraine for membership from the time Russia made that WRITTEN promise not to violate Ukraine's sovereignty, and that Ukraine never hosted anyone. I am willing to predict that as time go by, it will be increasingly clear that Putin made up his rationale to break Russia's WRITTEN promise to Ukraine. Look at the social turmoil in Russia now.

The only concrete way to have peace is to respect each others valid rationale.

'On December 1, 2020, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Andrii Taran stated that Ukraine clearly outlines its ambitions to obtain the NATO Membership Action Plan and hopes for comprehensive political and military support for such a decision at the next Alliance Summit in 2021'.

Has NATO not expanded ? Their in lies the answer.


Anyways the best way to end this is for Ukraine to sign a pact ( endorsed by western European powers) that it will not join NATO. Inreturn Russia should roll back its recognition of separatist republics ( on assurances that Russian speaking regions will be treated fairly and enjoy some autonomy within the confines of the state).

West should stop flaming the war and using Ukrainians as cattle in their geopolitical objective to bleed Russia.

 

[dBSPL]

Died Russian soldiers, with Ukrainian army uniforms[SPOILE"]

 

[RescueRanger]

@The Eagle please can you review pages 166 164 165, people are going off topic and discussing food and cuisine and girl friends. Also I have reported a few messages from a poster which were very derogatory towards Ukrainian women, I would be obliged if you can review that too please.

Members are reminded to please be respectful to loss of life, respectful to each other and kindly keeping on topic. You can all chat about food, cuisine, and thark on members section.

Died Russian soldiers, with Ukrainian army uniforms

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497158166567526401

The Russians are violating the Geneva Convention by completely ignoring the ethics of war.

Once again I am having to say this! PLEASE DO NOT SHARE PICTURES OF GORE!

 

[dBSPL]

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I hope the battery lasts to the border.

 

[TheNoob]

Died Russian soldiers, with Ukrainian army uniforms

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497158166567526401

The Russians are violating the Geneva Convention by completely ignoring the ethics of war.

neither of us knows that.
This is war and the fog will blind most of us.

Unfortunate deaths of combatants is to be expected, regardless of the side.

 

[Invicta]

saveloy

Autocorrect can be annoying.

 

[pkuser2k12]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497152398577577988

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497157329955008550

 

[pkuser2k12]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497163445539647500

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497164383452946433

 

[Han Patriot]

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He’s an Ace.

That's bullshit okay.