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An artistic work from Kharkov. (Unexploded Russian missile)
Here, the author emphasizes the complexity of the postmodern world.
Joking aside, Russia is hitting certain areas without making any distinction there are civilians or not.
Another unexploded Smerch.
The places where these rockets fell are definitely not military points. They threw rockets at civilians.
It's like a state of insanity...
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How did Ukraine reneged? But the Russian WRITTEN promise not to attack Ukraine predated the Minsk agreement.
If you have that paper, bring it.
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^ you can't make that stuff up.
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So Mr Gambit - you jump on a promise witnessed by other countries - yet neglect to see any "breaking of promises" by the great leader of democracy and truth of the flags you fly?
Declassified documents tell the story of how American officials led the Russians to believe that no expansion would be undertaken by NATO, then later nearly doubled the size of the alliance. Russian and American transcripts and summaries of high-level meetings, posted in recent years by the National Security Archive at George Washington University, record multiple assurances in the early 1990s.
Some were explicit, others implicit and subject to interpretation. They were given repeatedly in various forms to Gorbachev, Russian President Boris Yeltsin, and other Russian officials by the highest American and European leaders, including President George H. W. Bush, Secretary of State James Baker, CIA Director Robert Gates, West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher, British Prime Ministers Margaret Thatcher and John Major, French President François Mitterrand, and NATO Secretary General Manfred Wörner.
So pumping up the Ukraine and giving them the pat on the back to stoke up confrontation against Russia is "ok" with the likes of you - yet selectively avoid the promises made by the USA? Putin and Russia have every right to protect its existence and any potential threat on its doorstep.
Russia want to show the world - the world is no longer revolving around the USA.
They assisted in Trump being elected - they existed Brexit creating havoc in both countries. Now flexing their biceps. Russia aint no Afghanistan Iraq Libya or Syria.
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The Air assault on Hostomel Airport ended up very badly for Russians. Their elite VDV were butchered by Ukrainian Spetsnaz, it was a very risky move they shouldn't have done it.
It gave the Ukrainians a moral boost and now they are facing very tough resistance from Ukrainians.
It gave the Ukrainians a moral boost and now they are facing very tough resistance from Ukrainians.
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There are different sides of same story. However, human loss cannot be celebrated neither enjoyed or treated as nothing happened.
May the sanity prevail and human losses be stopped.
- Ukraine shouldn't have been in affair of NATO knowing well that Russia wouldn't welcome.
- Russia promised of no invasion but only if NATO stops where it is.
- NATO been hell bent to corner Russia and couldn't get out of obsession.
- NATO continued with expansion by adding more & more countries.
- Ukraine miscalculated everything and merely believed into something that doesn't exist.
- Ukraine was unprepared with defence & punched above weight.
- NATO/US wanted Russia to be dragged into a conflict & be sanctioned.
- NATO couldn't see rising Russia & needed a reason to suck them into a whole.
- Russia on other hand went ahead before the threat could appear on the ground.
- Public may not see NATO support in Ukraine but no one can ignore the fact of covert ops.
- Ukraine will be provided with weapons & what if with militia as well.
- Russia had done their calculation and so the NATO as well.
- Ukraine should have understood the same before becoming a threat.
- Russia now seems to be stuck if conflict pro-longed exactly as what NATO would like to.
- NATO instigated the Russia, Ukraine became the bait and Moscow apparently chewed it.
- It has to be seen whether Russia had calculated all that or NATO will be surprised.
- One thing for sure is that, Russia has seen itself being encircled & had no choice but to go offensive like this for its future. Beneficial or not; will have to be seen.
- US/NATO will play their game since it is Ukraine at receiving end while Russia will be targeted as well.
- It will be foolish to not to blame NATO for provoking Russia by offering NATO status for Ukraine, for such an aggression.
- On the same time, Russia could have waited if Ukraine was really going to join NATO but lost the patience & seems to be played right as planned.
- Parties involved will project & promote their respective stories in this conflict.
- Public will believe the one with much bigger loud speaker and far reach of their media influence.
- The more being said repeatedly to prove one being evil; public in far regions will believe into and that is what being the goal.
- On ground losses or attacks are merely just the ingredients to cook such a story against the rival and weak them in public eye.
May the sanity prevail and human losses be stopped.
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and Nato had an agreement they wont expand east!
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It's T-80BV. So Probably from ukrainian.
Why every Tanks & Armored Vehicles that Ukraine propagandist claimed to capture or destroy. There is no Z white insignia on that vehicles.
As we can see, Russians put Z White insignia in all their Armored Vehicles especially the one that go to frontline
There are many cheap propaganda from ukrainian side
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Pakistan will never ever give up its nukes.
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