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Should've lived to fight another day.
Pincer movement to Kiev by Russian Troops.
They are only 45Km and 8 Km from Kiev
Russian Troops will be over Kiev in no time
@Joe Shearer @T90TankGuy @MilSpec gentlemen, i would like to read your take on this issue. Thanks in advance.
Providing support to Ukrainian Forces - a lot more is in town too so it isn’t the “US has abandoned Ukraine” nonsense one sees publiclyUSAF AWACS in the skies above the black sea:
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With 200K soldiers Russians won't be able to control Kyiv let alone whole of Ukraine. Russian strategy is weird unless this is just the start of a long term plan.You think you're being nuanced, but I don't think you are. I think we can both agree that Russia will lose hardware and men. We can also agree that Russia included prospective losses in its wargaming and, more importantly, long-term grand strategy before engaging in this conflict and found the payoffs/costs justifiable given their regional security goals.
Crucially, there must be a quantitative threshold after which such losses become significant enough for your theory to kick in. Time will tell whether Russia's losses cross that threshold or not. Perhaps we can devote our time (on this thread, which is more about updates) to more constructive, current discussions. Thanks.
Exactly. Most people have never studied realism or grand strategy formally, so they have no clue what they are talking about.
The strategy is to make it LOOK like they can take over Kiev and the rest of the country. Putin wants a lightning war, not a prolong one.With 200K soldiers Russians won't be able to control Kyiv let alone whole of Ukraine. Russian strategy is weird unless this is just the start of a long term plan.
With 200K soldiers Russians won't be able to control Kyiv let alone whole of Ukraine. Russian strategy is weird unless this is just the start of a long term plan.
the line between Ukraine and Russia is very murky... especially in eastern ukraine.
the entire eastern half of ukraine could easily have been given to Russia in soviet times.
its not like some hard border between 2 different peoples with 2 different cultures and languages (Ex. China x India)
With US and European interference Ukraine will end up like Syria, a battle ground for testing the latest weapons and strategies and outflux of millions of refugees. Poor Ukraine became a sacrificed Pawn , sacrificed by the west for their own interests and to take war to the Russian front. Ukrainians were Russian one day, renegades the next day and today enemies of Russia. Thanks to greedy politicians the civilians will suffer immensely. The UN needs to come down heavily on the war mongers, the bringers of chaos and negotiate peace before huge calamity befalls the Ukrainian civilians. It is freezing cold there and if the war escalates Ukrainian food , water and heating could rapidly start dwindling causing untold suffering.Providing support to Ukrainian Forces - a lot more is in town too so it isn’t the “US has abandoned Ukraine” nonsense one sees publicly
It's called international trade, something you know very little about these days.In other words, China is returning to her old status as subordinate partner to Russia. Just like the old days of the Cold War yrs.
Su25what jet is that almost at the end?
Unfortunately, the Ukrainians stumbled onto this when they started having NATO connections and exercises. They should have seen this coming but were thinking NATO exercises meant NATO presence when even NATO knows Russian red lines. However, as @Joe Shearer pointed out it may well be a 20 year policy to end the last remnants of the Soviet Union by baiting Russia into such moves.With US and European interference Ukraine will end up like Syria, a battle ground for testing the latest weapons and strategies and outflux of millions of refugees. Poor Ukraine became a sacrificed Pawn , sacrificed by the west for their own interests and to take war to the Russian front. Ukrainians were Russian one day, renegades the next day and today enemies of Russia. Thanks to greedy politicians the civilians will suffer immensely. The UN needs to come down heavily on the war mongers, the bringers of chaos and negotiate peace before huge calamity befalls the Ukrainian civilians. It is freezing cold there and if the war escalates Ukrainian food , water and heating could rapidly start dwindling causing untold suffering.
Russian strategy isn't occupation. Their plan is to cause damage and force negations with Ukraine to agree to never join NATO. 200k soldiers is more then enough.With 200K soldiers Russians won't be able to control Kyiv let alone whole of Ukraine. Russian strategy is weird unless this is just the start of a long term plan.