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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

Of course, the next step will be 6 feet distance relationship between China and Pakistan. Enough to annoy India but not enough to tilt the balance; they've seen through Pakistan's establishment and do not see it as trustworthy.

Pakistan is nowhere. Irrelivant. It has an army that calls the shots, but sells its country to the highest bidder. The Americans have always been the highest bidder. Hence, the Pak army is indebted to the US.

In the Ukraine war Pakistan has once again played the wrong cards. It has made an enemy out of Russia. Pakistani army is appeasing the Americans. The Americans will ditch Pakistan high and dry like they always have.
 
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Actually the b-2 can carry 16 JASSM while the TU-160 (plane with the largest payload) can only carry 12 KH-101
The world is safer if the US breaks up into 50 states.



JASSM-ER doesn't have good range. Only 500 miles. By comparison, Kh-101 has range 2000 miles. B-2 doesn't have a large weapons bay.
Actually the b-2 can carry 16 JASSM while the TU-160 (plane with the largest payload) can only carry 12 KH-101

So false once again
 
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The goal is to damage Russian Economy. The goal is NOT to stop China or India making money.

India and China are buying the oil that would have been purchased by EU at discounted price, that would be enough to hurt Russia.

And there are limited appetite for China and India to stomach Russian oil, the basic economic principal applies, when you flood a market with supplies, you will get less demand.

I would argue that if the goal was to  destroy russian economy, NATO + Japan + SK would've already had a big portion of russians eating grass without firing a bullet

As of now, the level of economic pressure is just a bit past mild annoyance, and is less than that of Iran for example, and miles away from NorKo
 
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Yes will be very ugly, Russia economy is primary target. The planned oil cap will reduce Russia oil revenues by 50 pct. China/India reshipping oil to Europe is another story though.

Few notice, but this will give a huge edge to Yugaslavia scenario.

Right now, moscow is not existentially dependent on regions, they can just import stuff from the same Europe, at least food, if 1-2 regions will send moscow a middle finger.

But if, say, Manchuria can tax  existentially important traffic to moscow, that's half way to actual independence.
 
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I would argue that if the goal was to  destroy russian economy, NATO + Japan + SK would've already had a big portion of russians eating grass without firing a bullet

As of now, the level of economic pressure is just a bit past mild annoyance, and is less than that of Iran for example, and miles away from NorKo
That's why I said "Damage" not "Destroy"

If you "Destroy" Russian Economy, which EU and US can certainly do so, (US increase oil and gas production while Japan and SK dump Russian asset and stop exporting material important for industrial base and EU took Russia off SWIFT completely) But then that would mean we are facing a Russia that with nothing left to lose other than potato.....Russia may actually goes with Nuclear Option.

The NATO goal is always try to hurt Putin and co Pocket, not to take those out of their hand. You don't know what nothing to lose beggar with nuke might do.
 
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That's why I said "Damage" not "Destroy"

If you "Destroy" Russian Economy, which EU and US can certainly do so, (US increase oil and gas production while Japan and SK dump Russian asset and stop exporting material important for industrial base and EU took Russia off SWIFT completely) But then that would mean we are facing a Russia that with nothing left to lose other than potato.....Russia may actually goes with Nuclear Option.

The NATO goal is always try to hurt Putin and co Pocket, not to take those out of their hand. You don't know what nothing to lose beggar with nuke might do.
China will not cooperate with Russian sanctions nor can UN sanctions be imposed.

USA has done whatever it can
 
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wait, are you seriously this dumb to call this comment by the head of NATO, a military alliance, "speaking for the freeworld"?
This is indirect admission that NATO is in war with RUssia- we all know it on PDF< except you.


stupid semantics by a low IQ fake professor like you - stop ducking - you know we are talking ABOUT NATO HERE_ the entity whose interests the Ukraine war serves- getting its next "client".
what about those biolabs bro? any deets on them?

you look dumb avoiding my question - me: 1, you 0.
If you find a post triggering then report it instead of responding in kind or worse. You could be penalized for this post but I have showed leniency for now.

but without ground troops to hold ground, you lose the war, so has NATO learned that lesson- even in Syria, NATO doesnt have much territory or freedom to operatte..but they fired 52 Tomahawks into Syria under Trump...in the long term, war is won by who holds ground more permanently using troops/ground forces- thats why NATO has lost every recent war, its so pathetic- they have all the reasons to win, but they always lose.
But USA is NOT trying to colonize Syria and other countries.

A war can be fought for fulfillment of LIMITED political objectives in a particular region:

Americans wanted to dismantle Al-Qaeda Network in Afghanistan (Operation Enduring Freedom) = objective accomplished.
Americans wanted to bring an end to Saddam regime in Iraq (Operation Iraqi Freedom) = objective accomplished.
Americans wanted to bring an end to Qaddafi regime in Libya (Operation Odyssey Dawn) = objective accomplished.
Americans wanted to bring an end to ISIS across Iraq and Syria (Operation Inherent Resolve) = objective accomplished.

USA have demonstrated the capacity to conduct military operations in 3 countries at a time. US-led forces have completely altered the political landscape of Iraq and security dynamics of the Middle East by extension. How is this not an achievement in your books? This mission can be criticized on moralistic grounds (fair enough), but job well done from strictly military standpoint.

A regional power like Iran (or even Russia) does not have resources to replicate American military performance in terms of scale and desired outcomes.
- Iran could NOT take Basra in 8 years of war with Iraq. Iraq was "receiving aid from other countries" mantra is not good enough; US-led forces destroyed Iraqi armed forces at their FINEST in 45 days in 1991. US-led forces were called again to occupy Iraq and topple Saddam regime in 2003 and overcame horrific levels of Iraqi insurgency in subsequent years (2004 - 2008); both Syria and Iran provided material and financial assistance to Iraqi insurgent groups [of choice] in these years but they were overcome one by one. Obama administration called off US-led forces from Iraq in 2011.
- ISIL emerged in 2013 and was TOO BIG for Iran (or even Russia) to handle across Iraq and Syria. Obama administration had to reverse course and launch another military operation to rollback this movement in subsequent years (2014 - 2021); American air power had operational capacity to strike at ISIL positions across Iraq and Syria with impunity while US-led forces destroyed ISIS strongholds on the ground. This operation was brilliantly executed on all counts. Any country should STUDY this COIN WARFARE MODEL.

You have a very pessimistic view of American missions. Do you think American war-machine is globally feared for being a paper tiger or photo-op sessions?

Russian armed forces are MEDIOCRE much like the army of any regional power in Asia and it shows in Ukraine. Even in Syria, Russian forces stood no chance against US-led forces in actual battle. They really don't. Ask Putin why he ordered deployment of mobile Topol-M ICBMs around Moscow while launching an attack on Ukraine.

Afghanistan is VERY DIFFICULT to control due to being LANDLOCKED. Afghan Taliban also enjoy significant support in the region - their support base extends beyond Afghan borders. US decided to stick to the core objective of dismantling Al-Qaeda Network.

Now what do you want USA to do in a war? Utterly wipe out another country from the face of the Earth?

You need to understand the nature of MODERN WARFARE. Limited objectives make it possible to KEEP your army battle-hardened, make your weapon systems combat proven, and arms manufacturers in business.

I do think that companies involved in arms manufacturing should be allowed to diversify their portfolio and develop products for commercial use to keep them in business. Boeing follows this model for instance. Point is to find LESS reasons to fight a war and destroy lives in distant lands.
 
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China will not cooperate with Russian sanctions nor can UN sanctions be imposed.

USA has done whatever it can
Really naive to think so.......

On top of my head, the first thing US can do, and most probably WILL DO in the near future is increase oil production and drive down the price, US wasn't really depending on Oil and Gas sector to survive, with price cap, and if US expand shale oil/gas extraction by 2 Millon barrel a day to 4 million barrel a day, it will drive oil price down to below $60, which mean Russia will be losing money by selling oil to China and India on discount. That's number 1.

Another thing US can do is to go after ALL essential machine and tooling, US provide a lot of advance machine tooling to Russia even after sanction because it deems essential for Russian Population (Same reason why Samsung or Apple has not left Russia), if that stop, in 3 to 6 months, it will take down Russian advance production capability, and they can't buy them from China, because US sell them to China. Things like integrated IC circuit and High Density Aluminium product.

Things EU can do is first of all, CUT RUSSIA COMPLETELY off SWIFT. This still has not done. Second, EU can dip into their vast undersea shale, which would also drive oil and gas price down. And finally, EU still buying a lot of agriculture product from Russia, and they still sell quite a lot of medical, technical and optical product to Russia.

On the other hand, China is a non-factor in this issue, US/EU don't really care if China enforces Russian sanction, as long as it did not send any economic or military aid to Russia. As I explained, the goal for Russian Sanction is to damage Russian economy, not stop India or China from making money, and China buying Russian oil and gas WITH DISCOUNT is hurting Russia, because otherwise they would have earned 30% or more if they were selling to EU, so earning 30% less is the damage to Russian economy because that black has to come out from something within Russian economy.
 
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Yes will be very ugly, Russia economy is primary target. The planned oil cap will reduce Russia oil revenues by 50 pct. China/India reshipping oil to Europe is another story though.

The planned oil price cap is unlikely to be successful.. the West can declare it, but the Global South (and especially OPEC) won't adhere to it.. the fact that OPEC chose to decrease production even at the risk of provoking the US's wrath is proof that they wont allow the West to dictate the price of oil... same with the rest of the Global South, most are commodity producers and exporters, if the West succeeded in capping (or fixing) the price of Russian oil, what will keep the West from doing the same with other commodities and against other countries whenever they feel like it..?

On top of my head, the first thing US can do, and most probably WILL DO in the near future is increase oil production and drive down the price, US wasn't really depending on Oil and Gas sector to survive, with price cap, and if US expand shale oil/gas extraction by 2 Millon barrel a day to 4 million barrel a day, it will drive oil price down to below $60, which mean Russia will be losing money by selling oil to China and India on discount.

If oil price goes down to below $60, shale oil producers will go out of business... even at $80, most shale oil producer will be thinking very hard before investing in additional production again.. $100 oil is likely the price where shale oil producers will start to feel comfortable to begin large scale investment and production.
 
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Yes will be very ugly, Russia economy is primary target. The planned oil cap will reduce Russia oil revenues by 50 pct. China/India reshipping oil to Europe is another story though.
You are very wrong. Chinese and Indians buying the oil very cheap. 2.9 billions people buying their oil and gass. These two countries will send cheap products in market and otherside europ is buying expensive gass from its best friend usa. Eu Manufacturing costs is going up. In China and India manufacturing cost is going down. Tell me who's economy is in good shape. Russians are getting money weapons from China india and iran along with their own tech. common man which world are you living...you live in Mars right? Europe alongside Ukrainen are the biggest losers. Usa selling weapons and gass. This statement is very strong
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There will still be optical feed from the operator ends. Either real time or delay.
there is no feed , iran never published any russia never published any ,. they don't need any on this model
Weapon will not be stored because it came straight from the west to the frontline. It's not like when Ukraine receive 4 HIMARS launcher and they say "Hey, let's store it somewhere for future use"
it never work like that ,
Actually the b-2 can carry 16 JASSM while the TU-160 (plane with the largest payload) can only carry 12 KH-101

So false once again
well some may say in the amount of time b-2 go and release the bombs that tu-160 go release the bomb , come back and reload and again go and do bombing
 
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If you find a post triggering then report it instead of responding in kind or worse. You could be penalized for this post but I have showed leniency for now.


But USA is NOT trying to colonize Syria and other countries.

A war can be fought for fulfillment of LIMITED political objectives in a particular region:

Americans wanted to dismantle Al-Qaeda Network in Afghanistan (Operation Enduring Freedom) = objective accomplished.
Americans wanted to bring an end to Saddam regime in Iraq (Operation Iraqi Freedom) = objective accomplished.
Americans wanted to bring an end to Qaddafi regime in Libya (Operation Odyssey Dawn) = objective accomplished.
Americans wanted to bring an end to ISIS across Iraq and Syria (Operation Inherent Resolve) = objective accomplished.

USA have demonstrated the capacity to conduct military operations in 3 countries at a time. US-led forces have completely altered the political landscape of Iraq and security dynamics of the Middle East by extension. How is this not an achievement in your books? This mission can be criticized on moralistic grounds (fair enough), but job well done from strictly military standpoint.

A regional power like Iran (or even Russia) does not have resources to replicate American military performance in terms of scale and desired outcomes.
- Iran could NOT take Basra in 8 years of war with Iraq. Iraq was "receiving aid from other countries" mantra is not good enough; US-led forces destroyed Iraqi armed forces at their FINEST in 45 days in 1991. US-led forces were called again to occupy Iraq and topple Saddam regime in 2003 and overcame horrific levels of Iraqi insurgency in subsequent years (2004 - 2008); both Syria and Iran provided material and financial assistance to Iraqi insurgent groups [of choice] in these years but they were overcome one by one. Obama administration called off US-led forces from Iraq in 2011.
- ISIL emerged in 2013 and was TOO BIG for Iran (or even Russia) to handle across Iraq and Syria. Obama administration had to reverse course and launch another military operation to rollback this movement in subsequent years (2014 - 2021); American air power had operational capacity to strike at ISIL positions across Iraq and Syria with impunity while US-led forces destroyed ISIS strongholds on the ground. This operation was brilliantly executed on all counts. Any country should STUDY this COIN WARFARE MODEL.

You have a very pessimistic view of American missions. Do you think American war-machine is globally feared for being a paper tiger or photo-op sessions?

Russian armed forces are MEDIOCRE much like the army of any regional power in Asia and it shows in Ukraine. Even in Syria, Russian forces stood no chance against US-led forces in actual battle. They really don't. Ask Putin why he ordered deployment of mobile Topol-M ICBMs around Moscow while launching an attack on Ukraine.

Afghanistan is VERY DIFFICULT to control due to being LANDLOCKED. Afghan Taliban also enjoy significant support in the region - their support base extends beyond Afghan borders. US decided to stick to the core objective of dismantling Al-Qaeda Network.

Now what do you want USA to do in a war? Utterly wipe out another country from the face of the Earth?

You need to understand the nature of MODERN WARFARE. Limited objectives make it possible to KEEP your army battle-hardened, make your weapon systems combat proven, and arms manufacturers in business.

I do think that companies involved in arms manufacturing should be allowed to diversify their portfolio and develop products for commercial use to keep them in business. Boeing follows this model for instance. Point is to find LESS reasons to fight a war and destroy lives in distant lands.
Very well explained. The initial military goals were reached with immense display of power. It is in the aftermath, of adding/overreaching with geopolitical goals where Nato/USA had often miscalculated.

It is at “winning hearts and minds”, nation building, and fostering the right alliances where they failed. And we see the results where taliban returns in power, syria falls to assad/russia, Libya is a mess, and iraq under heavy iranian influence.
 
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there is no feed , iran never published any russia never published any ,. they don't need any on this model

This war is pretty much about Bragging, from all the killing and bombing both side posted on social media, if you think Iranian drone work like what they say, they wouldn't post feed of those drone like they did with TB-2 or Switchblade? I found it hard to believe.

Also, it is the RUSSIAN, not Iranian who are using those drone, if they killed Ukrainian Artillery with those, they will MOST CERTAINLY post the kill shot online.

it never work like that ,

You mean what never work like that? The logistic or how Shahed was used?
 
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