Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576716255654207489

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576717288644177920

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576717552168079360

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576717631473999873

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576675650165182464

Ukrainians made significant progress on the Kherson front today

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576724130283819010

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576710355278909441

 

[ziaulislam]

East only hope a swift end to this war with Russia being able to export food and gas/oil.

We don't care who the winner is..

But reality is more ukraine wins on battlefield the more likely the war is going to be prolonged..Russia simply can't give back the annex territories.. ultimately Russians will escalate and it won't look good

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

East only hope a swift end to this war with Russia being able to export food and gas/oil.

We don't care who the winner is..

But reality is more ukraine wins on battlefield the more likely the war is going to be prolonged..Russia simply can't give back the annex territories.. ultimately Russians will escalate and it won't look good

This war won't end any time soon. Think Hundred Years War.

 

[Viet]

this your first time following a war? let me give you some advice, wars go back and forward in momentum so its not even worth following most of the time. One side gets resupplied, makes gains and then the other side gets new toys and pushes back. Goes back and forward for years especially if no one is fully mobilised and throwing all their chips on the table.

Ah I come from Vietnam we in history have seen lots of wars in our country and in our immediate neighbors. This war however is the most unjustified I have ever seen. Putin, his army, his regime must suffer the defeat that they will never do it again.

 

[Battlion25]

The Russian mobilization force will reach the frontlines by mid-October and early november there will come in new waves creating another meat-grinder on the collision line.

I forsee or predict Russia taking off the gloves and things getting spicy from here on out but the Ukrainians will not fold but Russia will have to take it from them literally they give no charities ukrainians.

The Russians are also good at winning back wars when they are pushed to a corner just like the WW2 Russia came back from the brink of defeat but in this case Ukraine may win this conflict if Russia was to fail to take off it's gloves.

But the Ukrianians have proven to be solid so far and performed better then most assumed all tho they got territories annexed from them but still fighting for these territories to get them back

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576675169531142145

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576675175403180033

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576682634230448128

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576756896295288832

200,000 Russians, mostly men, have fled Russia since mobilization was announced.

 

[Viet]

East only hope a swift end to this war with Russia being able to export food and gas/oil.

We don't care who the winner is..

But reality is more ukraine wins on battlefield the more likely the war is going to be prolonged..Russia simply can't give back the annex territories.. ultimately Russians will escalate and it won't look good

Russia can export oil, gas, fertilizer nobody stops them to do that. but they don’t do. Because they use food, energy shortage as weapons. Only stupid cheerleaders like you don’t see that. Putin must withdraw there is no other option. What escalation? Full mobilization? That means more deaths more destruction for Ukraine and Russia.

 

[Han Patriot]

Had Putin aligned with your bet, he would have a much more focused ambition to take the 4 territories. Publicly stated that, and also geared his military operation accordingly.

Instead he denied up until January he had any plans, went all the way to Kiev, got butt kicked, and is redefining his goals to the 4 regions as a face saving measure. Not one about replacing the Nazi regime next door. Not sure why you would take a mult100 single file convoy to Kiev if all he wanted were the 4 regions

So is the bet on?

Not so my friend

My definition of victory is who actually controls it, who seizes the territory, not by a clown that decides that is mine.

Yes who controls it of course. I will bet at the end of the war, 4 of those areas will be under complete Russian control. What say you?

Ah I come from Vietnam we in history have seen lots of wars in our country and in our immediate neighbors. This war however is the most unjustified I have ever seen. Putin, his army, his regime must suffer the defeat that they will never do it again.

WTF, agent orange is justified in your opinion. Damn, your masters trained you well.

 

[aviator_fan]

Biden implied that US would be okay if Russia only attacked east/south Ukraine.

That was a masterstroke by the US to pull Russia into a full scale war with NATO and Putin the idiot he is fell for that ploy.

1. Do you understand the meaning of 'Russia will be held accountable'? This is what Biden states clearly. It is now being held accountable. Which of this is a 'masterstroke'.

2. And assume that you don't know the meaning of accountable and this was some masterstroke: Russia, a near superpower with a former KGB person as its leader for 2 decades is just retarded enough to fall for a trap that the US sets. So in this scenario, Russia is a below average IQ set of morons vs. a country capable of its own sound judgment.

You are clearly a fan of Russia, so give them some credit of wanting to control their destiny vs. a retarded nation that can be manipulated and trapped by a 80 year old President

we are not talking about strategic mindset of cold war , we are dealing with one question.
Did West Germany had any border dispute with any country at 1955 when it joined NATO ? I'm not aware of any.

Wtf happened in Germany in 1955 has anything to do with today. Did anybody care about what happened in Iran in the 30s when the Iran - Iraq war started?

What ever logic you are applying does not change the realities: USSR did not have any logic going to Afghanistan around some diplomacy border. Powers want to expand and grow, and influence. Some succeed, some fail, others die trying. Germany is united and you are more than welcome to start a thread on Germany in 1955 and run it yourself as I am sure nobody here cares to debate what happened then.

But Lyman isnt THAT important or strategic actually, Bakhmut is far more important, and Ukraine is about to lose it...just rememvber that Ukraine war starts the same was Afghanistan war starts - feeling good, by the time this war goes into next year, US and west will dump Ukraine, because it will be a depressing, unfixable, LIABILITY, period. screenshot this.

So why don't you come back here when your dream materializes and tell us how true you were. Till then , nobody here believes you or others have a crystalball. There were others like you that predicted in Feb how easily Russia would prevail. We are 6 months in, 100s of thousands have left, minorities drafted, and Russia's prestige is right up there with Nigeria

 

[aviator_fan]

Ottoman empire was destroyed in WW1. German empire was destroyed in WW1. British and French empires were destroyed in WW2.



Too many men in the army and women will have no children. Birth rate will be practically 0. 10 years from now war is still going on and Ukraine population fall to less than 20 million.

Good point, and US empire got created as a global dominator that its now in 1-1 against China. No doubt.

And for the record, Russia myth of an empire destroyed now and will not be coming back for a few generations if at all.

Russia is pounding Ukraine and freeing it from Europhiles. Ukrainian citizens are the real victims. Ukrainian women are being exploited in European capitals by the same peoples and nations that are supposed to provide refuge. Ukrainian citizens are being forced to flee. For what? For fighting America's war against Russia.

Well Russia is failing miserably at that. If its so altruistic, why did all the rich ones that could leave, and now 300,000 more have left. Its like one can't protect ones own family but you go to neighbor's house and protect theirs when none is needed. Oh and get your butt kicked in the process...

So good altruistic intentions but may be it should have first kept its own population satisfied instead of turning himself into a default king and ruling over it.

And finally, Ukrainians themselves (no keyboard warrior is from Ukranians) have chosen to return to live in their country. 7 million internally displaced and 5 million outside. More refugees inside the country than outside

 

[aviator_fan]

The Europeans and Americans will never dare to jump into the conflict. When push comes to shove expect a nuclear confrontation. Yes, Putin is taking his time and not opting for brute force. Russia is going to capture all important regions of Ukraine little by little. Anything less means failure. Putin knows that there is no return after starting the Ukraine war. Europeans and Americans can live with a dismembered Ukraine. Russia won't tolerate any failure in capturing all important regions. The cost would be too heavy at this moment.

This is probably the only post you have that I agree with you on. But Russia will be economically and industrially reduced to the status of Mongolia by isolation from all technology that it does not make. There is no coming back for the west from that either.

Eventually NATO will settle to where the lines are once the next status quo is reached in a few months. There will be token territory in Dobas and Crimiea that will stay with Russia.

You can tell things aren't going well for Ukraine as NATO call in the Pope:-

The pope makes his strongest plea yet for an end to Russia's war on Ukraine

Pope Francis asked Russian President Vladimir Putin to "stop this spiral of violence and death" and called on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to "be open" to serious peace proposals.

www.npr.org

The pope makes his strongest plea yet for an end to Russia's war on Ukraine​

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Updated October 2, 202210:17 AM ET
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Pope Francis waves during the Angelus noon prayer from the window of his studio overlooking St. Peter's Square, at the Vatican on Sunday. He has appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin, imploring him to "stop this spiral of violence and death" in Ukraine. The pontiff also called on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to "be open" to serious peace proposals.
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VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis on Sunday appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin, imploring him to "stop this spiral of violence and death" in Ukraine and denounced the "absurd" risk to humanity of catastrophic nuclear war as tensions escalate.
Francis uttered his strongest plea yet on the seventh-month war as he addressed the public in St. Peter's Square. It was the first time in public that he cited Putin's leadership.
The pontiff also called on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to "be open" to serious peace proposals. He exhorted the international community to "use all diplomatic instruments" to end this "huge tragedy" and "horror" of war.
"This terrible, inconceivable wound of humanity, instead of shrinking, continues to bleed even more, threatening to spread,'' Francis said.
"That humanity again finds itself before the threat of atomic war is absurd,'' the pontiff said. "What more has to happen, how much more blood has to flow" before the war ends? asked Francis.
The pope implored "the Russian Federation president, also for the love of his people, to stop this spiral of violence and death."

The posts of Putin's fans (and desperation) amuse me. You think Vatican listens to NATO?

Do you even know that several thousands Russians surrendered another town (fortunately they left with their lives).

And Putin fans will say 'well it was only a town of 30,000 people so its not a big deal'. Well if thats the case, then why the hell were the Russians deployed there.

 

[jhungary]

The Russian mobilization force will reach the frontlines by mid-October and early november there will come in new waves creating another meat-grinder on the collision line.

I forsee or predict Russia taking off the gloves and things getting spicy from here on out but the Ukrainians will not fold but Russia will have to take it from them literally they give no charities ukrainians.

The Russians are also good at winning back wars when they are pushed to a corner just like the WW2 Russia came back from the brink of defeat but in this case Ukraine may win this conflict if Russia was to fail to take off it's gloves.

But the Ukrianians have proven to be solid so far and performed better then most assumed all tho they got territories annexed from them but still fighting for these territories to get them back

They are already pumping Mobilised Troop into the frontline without waiting for it to complete training. And they did it piecemeal, you don't do that if you are desperate. Because the pressure point in the East is about to fall, the Russian command knows that, that's why they piled untrained bodies in the front.

On the other hand, there are no good for any operation if they are to receive only 4 weeks training if they want to deploy them in Mid-October/November. And that would be too late too, by then Kherson and Svatove or Starbolisk would already buckle. That's a point of no return, because unless the Russian is trying to push from another front with the 4 weeks training recruit, there are no area they can insert those troop because the point of insertion would be Crimea.